I'm very content with what the Flyers did. Sure Shero made his big splashes, but what good are they if he doesn't get top FAs? Some of that new shiny cap room will go to Crosby & Malkin.

The Flyers were obviously kicking tires. But the costs were too high. We're not talking about a GM who shies away from big cost trades. That means the prices for Nash, Ryan et al. Were likely to expexpensive right now. They can make deals later.

As for the pick, remember when the Flyers missed out on Sanguinetti? Homer gets benefit of doubt from me on Laughton over Mnot aatta and Finn
- Jsaquella

Not crazy about our selection but even less understanding the need for a rick nash or bobby ryan. Weber or nothing when it comes to jvr.

I agree but I still find it strange that some people in the know don't really have a lot of info on the last few picks.
- Duran76

Yep. But it's like Bill said. Some people in the know see things that other guys in the know don't. The Flyers obviously think the guys they picked have potential. I don't know the first thing about scouting/drafting/developing players, so I'm going to have to agree with them. If they picked Loughton in the top 10? Yeah, that might be an issue. But at 20, there are no guarantees anyway.

would anyone consider schenn for yandle?
- FlyerMike18

no, not well-rounded enuf...

would anyone consider schenn for yandle?
- FlyerMike18

I'd rather have Carle and Schenn, then Yandle.

I'd rather have Carle and Schenn, then Yandle.
- MJL

Okay Bill what do you know about

FREDRIK LARSSON

I'd rather have Carle and Schenn, then Yandle.
- MJL

Are they really signing Carle?

that seemed to die down

Homer is a genius just stay patient and his plan will unfold.

no, not well-rounded enuf...
- isaiah520

yea i can't say i'd be big on that either. yandle would help, but not enough to give up schenn

Drafting in sports figures in a lot of things. It isn't economics. Just because in hindsight another player that was available turns out to be a better player, doesn't make a pick a bad pick, or a so so pick, as you said. Carter wasn't a so so pick. It was a very good choice. What determines how good a pick is, is how that player turns out.
- MJL

I think you are hanging too much on the words "so so". I agreed that it was an understatement. It was a good pick. My point is more that you have to discount the 2003 draft a little bit when you analyze every GM's ability to draft, except maybe the few who really screwed the pooch.

At the end of the day I am not saying that Holmgren is a bad judge of talent. I just don't think he is immune to second guessing either.

Are they really signing Carle?

that seemed to die down
- puckhead17

As of right now, I'd say the odds are very good. But that can change. For example, in my opinion. If the Flyers were to trade for Yandle. I would not re-sign Carle.

Okay Bill what do you know about

FREDRIK LARSSON
- ob18

People on twitter can't seem to agree on his position. Panotch isn't sure if he's a D or a winger. D leed said goalie.


Edit
Evidently there seems to be some confusion over which Fred Larsson was selected. Must be like John Smith in Sweden.

Homer is a genius just stay patient and his plan will unfold.
- stveshdy

Exactly. Did everyone forget about his big balls from last year already?

I think you are hanging too much on the words "so so". I agreed that it was an understatement. It was a good pick. My point is more that you have to discount the 2003 draft a little bit when you analyze every GM's ability to draft, except maybe the few who really screwed the pooch.

At the end of the day I am not saying that Holmgren is a bad judge of talent. I just don't think he is immune to second guessing either.
- TheGreat28

I don't see why you would discount the 2003 draft. Regardless of how much talent was available. GM's still had to make a choice.

I'd rather have Carle and Schenn, then Yandle.
- MJL

i definitely hope carle is resigned...

if trading for yandle also meant no carle then it's definitely not even close to worth it

Flyers have done pretty well drafting forwards toward the back of the first round (Gagne, Williams, Richards, Downie, Giroux were all 20+, Carter was 14 and Zubrus 15). As Bill said, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on this one.
- BringBack25

Gagne, Zubrus, and Williams pre-dated Holmgren's time, so I excluded them. Carter was 11th.

People on twitter can't seem to agree on his position. Panotch isn't sure if he's a D or a winger. D leed said goalie.
- Duran76

He's a defenseman

People on twitter can't seem to agree on his position. Panotch isn't sure if he's a D or a winger. D leed said goalie.
- Duran76

This has to be a joke right?

People on twitter can't seem to agree on his position. Panotch isn't sure if he's a D or a winger. D leed said goalie.
- Duran76

@D_LEED Fredric Larsson is a big defensemen. 6'3 190.

Exactly. Did everyone forget about his big balls from last year already?
- hereticpride

drafting is a whole other ball game. the track record in rnd one is stellar. after that, not too great...

He's a defenseman
- aightwebang17

http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=38937

This has to be a joke right?
- PLindbergh31

Fredrik Larsson sounds like the Swedish version of Mike Smith. There's probably 5 of them in the draft

As of right now, I'd say the odds are very good. But that can change. For example, in my opinion. If the Flyers were to trade for Yandle. I would not re-sign Carle.
- MJL

I think I'd prefer Carle at the reported ($4.75 mill a year?) or whatever the figure they were speaking of.

really, Kimmo for another year, Carle, Coburn, Mez & Grossmann I think is good enough as your top 5. & maybe next year look at Enstrom as a Kimmo replacement.

I only "shake" things really heavy if I have a chance at Weber.

This has to be a joke right?
- PLindbergh31

It's so sad

Exactly. Did everyone forget about his big balls from last year already?
- hereticpride

There is no rush he has plenty of time to make the moves necessary to improve this club.