Exactly Thank you!
- JoeRussomanno

I also wouldn't, like you, have traded JVR for Luke, but again, Homer did

I see that as just a young guy being emotional. And reporters such as Randy Miller take advantage of that. Murray said he is going to sit down and talk to Ryan. I think Ryan is overreacting to what happens and how players names are thrown around this time of year. Ryan says that Anaheim hasn't done anything to make him feel wanted there. I'd say paying him 25M over 5 years is doing something to make him feel wanted.
- MJL

I totally agree.

You also wouldnt trade Jvr for Schenn straight up. Guess homer is nuts.
- stveshdy

Your right I wouldn't of. But I also wouldn't call Holmgren nuts for doing it. Your words, not mine.

I could easily say we always think the guy on the other team is our key to the Parade. That door swings both ways.
- JoeRussomanno

No not a parade, filling a hole, a missing element, Giroux is an awesome passer, one of the best, he needs a sniper,

You also wouldnt trade Jvr for Schenn straight up. Guess homer is nuts.
- stveshdy

Where Ryan is at now is Where Voracek could be in three years and very likely will be.

IF we're not believing what we read then there's no reason to even have this convo because he's not even being shopped.
- JoeRussomanno

I'm done if you believe voracek is goin to be better than Ryan.

I also wouldn't, like you, have traded JVR for Luke, but again, Homer did
- puckhead17

Not sure what you mean but I wasn't trying to trade those two straight up no. But at the end of the day, for every knock on JVR there's one on Schenn so I guess it was a more even one for one. However dismantling our D-corps which is very improtant to have in tact I might add, for a player we don't need and no we don't need bobby ryan, I'm sorry we don't need him. There's plenty of offensive talent on this team already. In fact we still might have to add another Dman if Kimo isn't at least 80% next year. So our needs as of right now still are, defense and a back up goalie. Bobby Ryan doesn't play either position.

I'm done if you believe voracek is goin to be better than Ryan.
- stveshdy

He can be if you're done have a good day thanks!

I'm done if you believe voracek is goin to be better than Ryan.
- stveshdy

I think the opinion is that give Jake a chance and he could be a 30 goal guy, I don't see that, I think Jake will be a solid 2 way winger with decent hands, but again, he's not Ryan NO not close

Your right I wouldn't of. But I also wouldn't call Holmgren nuts for doing it. Your words, not mine.
- MJL

All I heard was how they should get plus in that deal? Why what makes Jvr that much better than Schenn. It's potential vs potential how I see it. The chances of either reaching it is equal IMO

Not sure what you mean but I wasn't trying to trade those two straight up no. But at the end of the day, for every knock on JVR there's one on Schenn so I guess it was a more even one for one. However dismantling our D-corps which is very improtant to have in tact I might add, for a player we don't need and no we don't need bobby ryan, I'm sorry we don't need him. There's plenty of offensive talent on this team already. In fact we still might have to add another Dman if Kimo isn't at least 80% next year. So our needs as of right now still are, defense and a back up goalie. Bobby Ryan doesn't play either position.
- JoeRussomanno

I mentioned this yesterday, signing Carle & we could pay 30 million to our 6 defense?

with a 5 million a year goalie?

He can be if you're done have a good day thanks!
- JoeRussomanno

I must be watching a different player.

No not a parade, filling a hole, a missing element, Giroux is an awesome passer, one of the best, he needs a sniper,
- puckhead17

we're not missing him. Simmonds just put up 25 last year, hartnell is a capable goal scorer. Schenn would have easily broken 20 if he played a full season. Matt read, Briere is gonna give you 20 at least. Voracek will be a 25-30 goal scorer, so where's the need to trade three roster players for one guy that gets about a half dozen more a yer than our top three?

Voracek is only 22. Ryan didn't even start playing in the NHL until he was 21/22 and didn't start putting up those numbers right away. Voracek has been hovering around 20 a year which is only a dozen goals less than these 30 goal seasons Ryan is putting up. THere's nothing to say Voracek can't be a 25-30 goal a year guy and if he does and the Flyers trade for him+ for Ryan that makes it really big mistake, which it already is anyway.
- JoeRussomanno

Bobby Ryan (25)
2007 ANA 23 5 5 10 (1st yr)
2008 ANA 64 31 26 57
2009 ANA 81 35 29 64
2010 ANA 82 34 37 71

Voracek (22)
2008 CLM 80 9 29 38 (1st yr)
2009 CLM 81 16 34 50
2010 CLM 80 14 32 46
2011 PHI 78 18 31 49

Bobby has one more yr on Voracek and the numbers arent even close.. Im not saying give the house up for ryan but hes an upgrade in wing over voracek

Ryan is a better player then Voracek no doubt. But the grass is very green in Anaheim apparently. Ryan is a good player. But he isn't this star player that many make him out to be. And it's not Voracek for Ryan that causes me to pause. It's the plus that is the issue. I would not trade Voracek and Meszaros or Coburn for Ryan. Holmgren might, but I wouldn't.
- MJL

Certainly wouldn't add Coburn in that deal.

All I heard was how they should get plus in that deal? Why what makes Jvr that much better than Schenn. It's potential vs potential how I see it. The chances of either reaching it is equal IMO
- stveshdy

You might be right, we'll see. But in my opinion I felt that JVR had the higher upside. If you remember back when the rumors about this deal first came up. I said that I like Schenn and a player, and I do. I think he'll be a good fit here. But I felt that JVR is the one Winger we had that could be that dynamic first line goal scorer. We lost that element. We'll see if Holmgren addresses that. But I think you'll have to overpay for Ryan. There's no doubt that Ryan would look real nice next to 28. But the cost will be high. I'd rather look in Free Agency if possible.

I mentioned this yesterday, signing Carle & we could pay 30 million to our 6 defense?

with a 5 million a year goalie?
- puckhead17

What's wrong with that?

Bobby Ryan (25)
2007 ANA 23 5 5 10 (1st yr)
2008 ANA 64 31 26 57
2009 ANA 81 35 29 64
2010 ANA 82 34 37 71

Voracek (22)
2008 CLM 80 9 29 38 (1st yr)
2009 CLM 81 16 34 50
2010 CLM 80 14 32 46
2011 PHI 78 18 31 49

Bobby has one more yr on Voracek and the numbers arent even close.. Im not saying give the house up for ryan but hes an upgrade in wing over voracek
- rb2378nj

He's three years older than him too. Voracek was good enough to get in the league as a teenager.

He's three years older than him too. Voracek was good enough to get in the league as a teenager.
- JoeRussomanno

for cbus

Well I spent a better part of an afternoon discussing this Ryan trade scenario and the best you guys can come up with is we need to trade a bare minimum of two roster players to get a half dozen more goals a year than what we are getting out of our top scorers. That's after the fact the Flyers are known scoring team. Thanks for this in depth lesson to EA sports NHL general management! good day!

What's wrong with that?
- MJL

1/2 our cap behind the blueline

(and no Weber at that?) different topic.

If parenteau is signed Jagr isn't coming back.
- stveshdy

Right now we're down two forwards (if Jagr isn't back). So even if we do bring him back (which I have no issue with on a 1-yr deal), we're still down a forward. Wouldn't mind Parenteau if the price is right, but I'm not going over say, $3M for him. He made $1.25 last year, and something approaching $3M seems like a fair raise. If he's looking for more than that, I look elsewhere, or let one of kids see if they can earn the spot and make a move before the deadline if needed.

So if we bring back Jagr and do nothing else, we have

Jagr/Giroux/Hartnell
Briere/Schenn/Voracek
Simmonds/Couturier/Read
Wellwood/Talbot/[Rinaldo/Sestito]

That's not a bad lineup at all, but it is one injury from Ben Holmstrom taking a regular shift. Not saying that's the end of the world or anything, my point is just that we have a little less depth. So I'd like to see a Parenteau type pickup as well as bringing back Jagr or his equivalent. If that happens we just sit Rinaldo/Sestito and say, slide Read down. That's all I think we should do at this point, then reassess at the deadline.

(oh, and sign a backup goalie not named Leighton).

He's three years older than him too. Voracek was good enough to get in the league as a teenager.
- JoeRussomanno

Columbus was/is TERRIBLE im sure anyone they draft in the 1st rd would of played there 1st yr in Columbus.....and your saying just cause you get in the league as a teenager makes you a 30 goal scorer?

1/2 our cap behind the blueline

(and no Weber at that?) different topic.
- puckhead17

For now. Timonen's deal is over after this Season. There is a big picture to look at. Plus, Holmgren isn't done yet.