You might be right, we'll see. But in my opinion I felt that JVR had the higher upside. If you remember back when the rumors about this deal first came up. I said that I like Schenn and a player, and I do. I think he'll be a good fit here. But I felt that JVR is the one Winger we had that could be that dynamic first line goal scorer. We lost that element. We'll see if Holmgren addresses that. But I think you'll have to overpay for Ryan. There's no doubt that Ryan would look real nice next to 28. But the cost will be high. I'd rather look in Free Agency if possible.
- MJL

I think Homer will explore every option but I don't think giving up voracek and a defenseman is an overpayment. That's just my opinion.

For now. Timonen's deal is over after this Season. There is a big picture to look at. Plus, Holmgren isn't done yet.
- MJL

No I know, this isn't the team we will have by October, we all know that, I would just like to see Giroux's talents maximized with a natural scoring winger, Ryan doesn't have Nash's cap hit, (as well, Howson still wants way too much for Nash).

Yes, Hartnell may get 30 again, but he's not a natural scorer, although he did an awesome job playing like one, he would look even better using his corner work opposite a Ryan with G as well, rounding out a top line.

I think Homer will explore every option but I don't think giving up voracek and a defenseman is an overpayment. That's just my opinion.
- stveshdy

I agree, if that defenseman's name is Matt Walker.

preemptive complaining

preemptive complaining

- Marc D

best kind. veteran move...

I agree, if that defenseman's name is Matt Walker.
- 77rams

Zero chance of that happening.

preemptive complaining

- Marc D

You can't go into training camp to work you way into shape anymore. You need to stay in complaining shape all year long nowadays.

No I know, this isn't the team we will have by October, we all know that, I would just like to see Giroux's talents maximized with a natural scoring winger, Ryan doesn't have Nash's cap hit, (as well, Howson still wants way too much for Nash).

Yes, Hartnell may get 30 again, but he's not a natural scorer, although he did an awesome job playing like one, he would look even better using his corner work opposite a Ryan with G as well, rounding out a top line.
- puckhead17

I don't disagree with any of that. But I wouldn't trade a very young promising Winger and a top 4 defenseman in his prime for Ryan.

I just did some number crunching. And my calculations put the Flyers Off Season Cap number currently at $64,324,224.

I don't disagree with any of that. But I wouldn't trade a very young promising Winger and a top 4 defenseman in his prime for Ryan.
- MJL

So you wouldn't trade a promising young winger for a young promising winger?

I just did some number crunching. And my calculations put the Flyers Off Season Cap number currently at $64,324,224.
- MJL

Can we still squeeze Weber and Parise in?

Here's my take on the Ryan interest from the Flyers:

He's a consistent 30+ goal scorer who would be great on Giroux's wing for many wings to come. The deal would probably look something like Meszaros, Voracek and a 1st. And while it may seem counter-intuitive to trade a defenseman when we just traded for one, the Flyers can easily fill that gap by re-signing Carle.

Even with all those transactions you're probably looking at 6mil left in cap space (without Pronger going to the LTIR during the season). So this gives room to pick up another dman or a veteran forward.

Note: Coburn has a modified NTC so I would doubt he's going anywhere.
- Sink.

You would be nuts to deal Coburn for Ryan in the first place.

I'd deal Meszaros, Read, and a mid-round pick and no more. I'm against trading Voracek.

So you wouldn't trade a promising young winger for a young promising winger?
- Schenn2shine

Is that what I said?

I don't disagree with any of that. But I wouldn't trade a very young promising Winger and a top 4 defenseman in his prime for Ryan.
- MJL

Agreed.

Change it to Read, and then maybe I'd talk. Voracek could be a special player.

For now. Timonen's deal is over after this Season. There is a big picture to look at. Plus, Holmgren isn't done yet.
- MJL

It's the perfect storm. Kimmo retires next year, and Weber hits UFA status. Just be patient and wait it out another year. Even if Kimmo comes back for a year, it's going to be at a much friendlier hit than 6M+. And if Kimmo wants to win a cup and understands that him taking a low cap hit can bring us Weber, I think he goes for it.

Agreed.

Change it to Read, and then maybe I'd talk. Voracek could be a special player.
- LeachHextall27

Not sure why people are so high on Vorcacek. He is a decent player, but I'd gladly trade him + a pick for Ryan. If anything, Read has similar potential to Vorcacek and his cap hit is much friendlier. There's no way you trade your low-cap hit players if you don't have to. Vorcacek, 1st, and 3rd for Ryan...

Can we still squeeze Weber and Parise in?
- 77rams

Sure, but they would just have to do it very quietly.


Well with the 10% off season exemption, That would leave the Flyers with $12,675,806

Agreed.

Change it to Read, and then maybe I'd talk. Voracek could be a special player.
- LeachHextall27

I'm not really interested in giving up Read. His production versus his Cap hit makes him a valuable player.

Is that what I said?
- MJL

Well not word for word...

Well not word for word...
- Schenn2shine

Not only not word for word, but not at all period!

Not only not word for word, but not at all period!
- MJL

Not sure why people are so high on Vorcacek. He is a decent player, but I'd gladly trade him + a pick for Ryan. If anything, Read has similar potential to Vorcacek and his cap hit is much friendlier. There's no way you trade your low-cap hit players if you don't have to. Vorcacek, 1st, and 3rd for Ryan...
- steelydan

I agree. Thats a trade to consider. Not sure what Anaheim would want in return but that offer is reasonable.

whos is this ford guy?

we need some beef up front, i like parise, but not enough beef for my liking...im hoping we finally get ryan via trade, i hope we sign shultz tomorow and then we can deal one of our dman packaged with voracek for ryan.

luke schenn and shultz are close friends

I think it would be nice to set up clode w/ a natural sniper like Ryan, but I'm not sure we have the assets since JVR was dealt for what I consider a discounted price. how much of this team are we willing to rip apart?

whos is this ford guy?

we need some beef up front, i like parise, but not enough beef for my liking...im hoping we finally get ryan via trade, i hope we sign shultz tomorow and then we can deal one of our dman packaged with voracek for ryan.

luke schenn and shultz are close friends
- mydoglicks

we don't know much about ford accept that he has ""a great slap shot"