A lot of pressure in TO. Sadly I began to believe his best years would be on another team. I think speed and decision making (which can both be improved) are what caused him to suffer the most really. Wilson's system didn't really help him out much either. He was solid in his 1st and 3rd years... He had a rough time last year, which I attribute to growth for a young D. Also, he did not really have a stay at home veteran to mentor him, which I think could have helped him along. I would say, if he works on his skating and proper guidance #2 to #4 D with #2 being his absolute ceiling...

Again, I think you're def gonna love the kids character!
- PTVinnyMac

Lava's system will prob be no easier. It puts a ton of pressure on the Dmen. Thanks.

This is the type of deal the Ducks have made a year and a half ago.

The first domino appears to have fallen prior to the NHL trade deadline as the Toronto Maple Leafs have shipped defenceman Francois Beauchemin back to the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for forward Joffrey Lupul, defenceman Jake Gardiner and a conditional fourth-round draft pick in the 2013 Entry Draft.

Toronto Maple Leafs traded Vesa Toskala and Jason Blake to the Anaheim Ducks for Jean-Sebastien Giguere

If we're able to get Bobby Ryan, nothing we ship the other way would surprise me.

This is the type of deal the Ducks have made a year and a half ago.

The first domino appears to have fallen prior to the NHL trade deadline as the Toronto Maple Leafs have shipped defenceman Francois Beauchemin back to the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for forward Joffrey Lupul, defenceman Jake Gardiner and a conditional fourth-round draft pick in the 2013 Entry Draft.

Toronto Maple Leafs traded Vesa Toskala and Jason Blake to the Anaheim Ducks for Jean-Sebastien Giguere

If we're able to get Bobby Ryan, nothing we ship the other way would surprise me.
- Schenn2shine

Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't really know what you're getting at here....

Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't really know what you're getting at here....
- Giroux_Is_God

Why would I take you not understanding the obvious the wrong way?

Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't really know what you're getting at here....
- Giroux_Is_God

i think he means the dux got robbed in both trades and thinks the flyers may be able to pull of a similar robbery. i doubt they part with ryan unless they get someone to over pay tho

Why would I take you not understanding the obvious the wrong way?
- Schenn2shine

It was the last part of it that was confusing me. Made me think you thought we were going to overpay. Just the vibe I got. My bad....

does anyone know if luke schenn plays left defense or right defense. i know meszaros prefers to play right side.

It was the last part of it that was confusing me. Made me think you thought we were going to overpay. Just the vibe I got. My bad....
- Giroux_Is_God

No biggie. Lupul was an All-Star this season. I wouldn't do Jake Gardiner for Beauchemin straight up in favor of Gardiner.

Giggy was still a decent goaltender when the Leafs picked him up. Exactly what they needed at the time and the Ducks were willing to take on Jason Blake at the price tag he had? I don't even know where Vesa Toskala is today.

No biggie. Lupul was an All-Star this season. I wouldn't do Jake Gardiner for Beauchemin straight up in favor of Gardiner.

Giggy was still a decent goaltender when the Leafs picked him up. Exactly what they needed at the time and the Ducks were willing to take on Jason Blake at the price tag he had? I don't even know where Vesa Toskala is today.
- Schenn2shine

Yeah I gotcha. Can't deny that they were both diamond robberies, for sure.

That Beuchemin one....

We all know what Ryan has said about Philly. The Ducks have zero leverage, it seems....

Maybe there's legs to my Walker, Shelly, and a 1st after all

i think he means the dux got robbed in both trades and thinks the flyers may be able to pull of a similar robbery. i doubt they part with ryan unless they get someone to over pay tho
- flyerscup2011

I'm curious about Ryan though just because you have a known unhappy player now thats out there for everyone to see. There should be many suitors which is a problem. But theres a chance that he can be had for maybe less than we think. I dont feel he'll get dealt this summer however.

I'm curious about Ryan though just because you have a known unhappy player now thats out there for everyone to see. There should be many suitors which is a problem. But theres a chance that he can be had for maybe less than we think. I dont feel he'll get dealt this summer however.
- Just5

Well....we all know where he wants to go

Well....we all know where he wants to go
- Giroux_Is_God

Parise would cost nothing but cap space.....crunching the numbers the flyers can sign this guy to the money being reported.

Parise would cost nothing but cap space.....crunching the numbers the flyers can sign this guy to the money being reported.
- Just5

they could, but then it depends on if parise wants to play here. pitt, det and minn all seem to have an inside track on us. but, ya never know. i'd buy a #9 jersey if we can get either one

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My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Zach Parise ($7.000m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.000m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Tom Sestito ($0.605m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Matt Carle ($4.500m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.738m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Michael Leighton ($0.700m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,601,944; BONUSES: $2,705,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,698,056

HTML Version Create New Roster Other Rosters Share CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Zach Parise ($7.000m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.000m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Tom Sestito ($0.605m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Matt Carle ($4.500m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.738m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Michael Leighton ($0.700m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,601,944; BONUSES: $2,705,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,698,056
- Just5

very nice

HTML Version Create New Roster Other Rosters Share CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Zach Parise ($7.000m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.000m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Tom Sestito ($0.605m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Matt Carle ($4.500m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.738m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Michael Leighton ($0.700m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,601,944; BONUSES: $2,705,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,698,056
- Just5

Email this to Homer.

very nice
- flyerscup2011

According to credentialed Philadelphia Flyers, and colleague at TheHockeyGuys.net, Dustin Leed there is a "good chance" the Flyers take a run at Zach Parise July 1st if he is available. I still expect him to re-sign but should he test free agency he'll have his options wide open. The Carolina Hurricanes are getting better and better and are expected to take a run at him. The Flyers are a damn good team and will take a run. Same goes for the Pittsburgh Penguins and Detroit Red Wings. Then there's his home town team, the Minnesota Wild, sitting pretty with a ton of money to offer his way.


I will run down my street naked if we get him

Email this to Homer.
- Giroux_Is_God

didn't you know? mjl is actually homer, he just comes in here to get ideas and play devil's advocate

didn't you know? mjl is actually homer, he just comes in here to get ideas and play devil's advocate
- flyerscup2011

Doesn't change my stance.

Email it to MJL then

According to credentialed Philadelphia Flyers, and colleague at TheHockeyGuys.net, Dustin Leed there is a "good chance" the Flyers take a run at Zach Parise July 1st if he is available. I still expect him to re-sign but should he test free agency he'll have his options wide open. The Carolina Hurricanes are getting better and better and are expected to take a run at him. The Flyers are a damn good team and will take a run. Same goes for the Pittsburgh Penguins and Detroit Red Wings. Then there's his home town team, the Minnesota Wild, sitting pretty with a ton of money to offer his way.


I will run down my street naked if we get him
- Just5

i think parise walks. if he hasn't even spoken with LL since the end of the season, i can't see them getting an offer together and both sides coming to terms that fast with parise knowing atleast 20 teams will be offering him as much or more money a week or so later

i'd rather him stay in jersey than join pitt though. that would be scary.

Doesn't change my stance.

Email it to MJL then
- Giroux_Is_God

he sees all

i think parise walks. if he hasn't even spoken with LL since the end of the season, i can't see them getting an offer together and both sides coming to terms that fast with parise knowing atleast 20 teams will be offering him as much or more money a week or so later

i'd rather him stay in jersey than join pitt though. that would be scary.
- flyerscup2011

free agency cant come fast enough. i think he walks too

free agency cant come fast enough. i think he walks too
- Just5

i'll drink to that!

Highly doubt that would happen. I hope it wouldn't. I think the deal has a good chance of working out too. On our end theres been rumors Pronger could be in a teaching/coaching role for next season, I think that would be great for Schenn. What's your consensus on L. Schenn? I thought he was horrible when the Flyers played him last year. Turning pucks over in his own end, looked slow, etc. I realize hes young but just seems like he struggles with the little nuances of the game at this point.
- Just5

If Pronger feels well enough, and is capable of doing this..I'd love to have him mentor the young D. So it'd be something like Lappy did while on LTIR. I'm down with this.

free agency cant come fast enough. i think he walks too
- Just5

I am excited too. I am confused by the differing reports of how much cap space we have though. Seravelli is saying we have 14mil???? That doesn't seem right at all.