Adding Schenn only to subtract Mez is subtraction by addition. Sometimes I wonder if we're all watching the same team.

What if the Flyers went with Mez, Voracek, 1st rd pick for Ryan?

I dont want to overpay too much for Ryan. Flyers should just make a run for Parenteau.
- stveshdy

I'd say make it a conditional pick. The flyers really don' t have to make the deal as much as anaheim probably needs to trade Ryan at this point, especially given his recent comments.

What I do not understand is this.

The Flyers needed a #1 d-man, and in turn got a guy who imho could turn out to be a decent #2.

That itself being a big if.

You trade your biggest asset when it comes to a trade and leave yourself in the same position. Assuming Kimmo retires next season they now have who to trade for the #1 d-man?

If they are praying Weber becomes a UFA or #44 can continue to be a number 1 after this season, I am worried.

For all of the talk of Parise and Suter, the pens will be driving up any bidding war.
- flyer_nutter

They can add Edler or Enstrom next offseason. Both players would be an upgrade imo.

I'd say make it a conditional pick. The flyers really don' t have to make the deal as much as anaheim probably needs to trade Ryan at this point, especially given his recent comments.
- the deaninator

I agree. There is no pressure for the Flyers to make a trade with Anaheim.

So who are they going to send out in that deal? I wouldnt offer more than Mez and Voracek. Couturier and Schenn are untouchable.
- stveshdy

Yup you got it Steve

I thought yesterday that Anaheim is in the worst possible position now trade wise. Others said it could be smoothed over, which it could, no doubt. But given the recent evidence in the form of a pretty public display of discontent, I think the Ducks will be pressed to make a move.

The kids are untouchable, I don't think it will require them at this point. The Ducks can say screw you were not trading you, but its my opinion they want this to go away. Coburn and Jake and picks are fair imo. Then theres room to pick up maybe a Hal Gill, I think hell give the most value for the dollar.

What if the Flyers went with Mez, Voracek, 1st rd pick for Ryan?

I dont want to overpay too much for Ryan. Flyers should just make a run for Parenteau.
- stveshdy

Is Luke Schenn better than Meszaros right now?

I would wait at least one season before removing any of the pre-existing d-men on this team.

I dont personally believe a team that has added Schenn and subracted Mez is a stronger team defensively. Unless they damn well know they are probably adding Suter I wouldn't be dealing any d-men. I dont want a 3rd pairing of Schenn and Guss/Bourdon.

They finally have some real depth on D, and they want to remove that.

Adding Schenn only to subtract Mez is subtraction by addition. Sometimes I wonder if we're all watching the same team.
- hereticpride

^

If Parise, or parenteau, or some other scoring winger can be had in FA they have officially had a great offseason.

The Ryan romance is over

JVR was our main chip
- puckhead17

I don't think that is necessarily true.

Yup you got it Steve

I thought yesterday that Anaheim is in the worst possible position now trade wise. Others said it could be smoothed over, which it could, no doubt. But given the recent evidence in the form of a pretty public display of discontent, I think the Ducks will be pressed to make a move.

The kids are untouchable, I don't think it will require them at this point. The Ducks can say screw you were not trading you, but its my opinion they want this to go away. Coburn and Jake and picks are fair imo. Then theres room to pick up maybe a Hal Gill, I think hell give the most value for the dollar.
- aosplayo

Coburn is way better than Hal Gill

Coburn skates hits. Plays 25 minutes

Is Luke Schenn better than Meszaros right now?

I would wait at least one season before removing any of the pre-existing d-men on this team.

I dont personally believe a team that has added Schenn and subracted Mez is a stronger team defensively. Unless they damn well know they are probably adding Suter I wouldn't be dealing any d-men. I dont want a 3rd pairing of Schenn and Guss/Bourdon.

They finally have some real depth on D, and they want to remove that.
- flyer_nutter

I would be willing to move a player like Mez if in return I'm getting Bobby Ryan. The Flyers can find another #6 to be on the 3rd pairing.

I don't think that is necessarily true.
- Flyers1218

If JVR was the main chip

Without him. Then we're hearing coburn. So no I do not do that

^

If Parise, or parenteau, or some other scoring winger can be had in FA they have officially had a great offseason.
- the deaninator

Parenteau makes the most sense to me. If they dont plan on making any other trades then he should be the target. He will get paid but hes not going to break the bank imo.

They can add Edler or Enstrom next offseason. Both players would be an upgrade imo.
- stveshdy

Enstrom is already getting 4.5 million.

The thought of him reaching free agency and wanting a raise scares me. He is not that good of a d-man, and most definately not a #1 imo.

I just dont see Vancouver letting Edler walk.

To me, the Flyers now desperately need Suter this year or Weber the next. The biggest assest in a trade was just given away.

If they really do now trade away from the back end where they apparently have "extra depth", which to me a laughable they need to be bringing in Suter.

Well at least we won't be getting Nash because apparently jvr was the centerpiece of the deal got to wonder homer must of wanted more then Nash in return
- griouxmvp2012

I think Homer probably gave Howson an extremely fair offer and Howson rejected it thinking the Flyers would be back. Well he blew that one and that's one less team to use for leverage when he trades Nash to the Rangers. Doesn't matter anyway, that guy is gonna get fleeced.

This might be the funniest tweet we see all day...

Jim Schmiedeberg ‏@BSURadioJim Me: "Happy Birthday Torts", Torts: "(frank) you idiot, you know nothing about birthdays."

Doan reportedly wants a four-year contract. I wouldn't do that.

http://arizonasports.com/...ed-with-Coyotes-situation
- bmeltzer

If you could get him with a front loaded contract with a reduced cap number?

I think Homer probably gave Howson an extremely fair offer and Howson rejected it thinking the Flyers would be back. Well he blew that one and that's one less team to use for leverage when he trades Nash to the Rangers. Doesn't matter anyway, that guy is gonna get fleeced.
- Flyers1218

it just shows the level of interest the owners must have if he still has a job at this point.

EDIT: jeff carter trade ver. 1.0 might have had his job on the line
jeff carter trade ver. 2.0 might have given him some cusion, but the way he's handeled the nash situation is beyond awful.

Again I'll say it.. you trade a dman + to get a forward you create another hole on D. Do you fill that with a FA?
- Hextall271

You could I suppose. Then you could look at a guy like Garrison. However, I don't think trading Coburn is the way to go about it. You could include Mezzy for B. Ryan, but unfortunately having only played 1 game after back surgery, I think teams are weary. I would put Coburn as most untouchable of the D. Loved how he played towards the end of the year and playoffs.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: JVR Trade, Draft Wrapup
- bmeltzer

great breakdown, sir

I would be willing to move a player like Mez if in return I'm getting Bobby Ryan. The Flyers can find another #6 to be on the 3rd pairing.
- stveshdy

People forget how good Meszaros was when he initially came here. For all that talk about giving JVR another chance after his injuries, why no mention of Mez.

Having a guy on that 3rd pairing that can play those big minutes if need be isn't something to be taken lightly. He has proven he can score goals, be physical and take up important minutes.

I rather keep a guy like that, who hypothetically could be a solid partner for Schenn. Instead of a guy like Lilja, Guss or Bourdon.

Only way I deal away from the back-end if is they are bringing in Suter.

People forget how good Meszaros was when he initially came here.

Having a guy on that 3rd pairing that can play those big minutes if need be isn't something to be taken lightly. He has proven he can score goals, be physical and take up important minutes.

I rather keep a guy like that, who hypothetically could be a solid partner for Schenn. Instead of a guy like Lilja, Guss or Bourdon.

Only way I deal away from the back-end if is they are bringing in Suter.
- flyer_nutter

he's been great, and was playing great until the back injury. I'm not keen on the idea of trading away a guy like that at the age of 26, unless his back injury is more than it seems, but only they know the true answer to that i guess.

Coburn is way better than Hal Gill

Coburn skates hits. Plays 25 minutes
- puckhead17

Oh I agree, just talking Ryan scenarios


Woudl you rather have Ryan/Gill or Ryan/Garrison

vs Coburn/Jake?

We can go over by 10% in the offseason right?? So that 11.5ish mil number Bill showed us earlier is really about 12.5ish, no??

I expect Homer is thinking creatively as you say, but if you make say one trade that leads to another or sign a UFA or two you begin overhauling a roster that was just overhauled last season. I'd like to keep most of the corp together for a bit.
- Hextall271

I could say the Flyers could offer Cousins, 1st, and 2nd for Ryan, but first, I don't think the Ducks even consider that deal and secondly, that would mean 5.1 MM for Ryan is coming straight to the Cap. They need to at least move one piece from the roster for Ryan to soften the blow. No one is mentioning this, but could the Flyers be considering moving Timonen to Anaheim and have him join Selanne (most likely) and Koivu, as well as living in beautiful SoCal?

What I do not understand is this.

The Flyers needed a #1 d-man, and in turn got a guy who imho could turn out to be a decent #2.

That itself being a big if.

You trade your biggest asset when it comes to a trade and leave yourself in the same position. Assuming Kimmo retires next season they now have who to trade for the #1 d-man?

If they are praying Weber becomes a UFA or #44 can continue to be a number 1 after this season, I am worried.

For all of the talk of Parise and Suter, the pens will be driving up any bidding war.
- flyer_nutter

On one hand we shouldn't give up on getting Weber until it's impossible to acquire him. Kimmo Timonen's retirement alone should provide the needed cap space. On the other hand, is Suter a number one defenseman in the NHL? Do the Flyers have enough jam on the back end by having Coburn, Schenn, Grossmann and Meszaros already?