Niedermayer was the only huge name I found that's 1st time eligible next year.

Shanny is a mortal lock now IMO.

Perhaps Big E will get it in next year. Felt as though he deserved to get in the same year that Bure did though. He's the better player IMO.

Bryz's latest tweet is a gem.
- LordStanley88

That bear looks a lot like Carleton the bear (the Leafs old mascot).

That bear looks a lot like Carleton the bear (the Leafs old mascot).
- bodiva88

Agreed.

I think you can, as long as you don't get in a position of having to make a trade from a severe disadvantage in getting Cap compliant. And remember in figuring out off season Cap space. Pronger counts. And if your going to figure out LTIR space, he counts also.
- MJL

Well Pronger counts either way, no? In the off-season cap everyone counts I thought. So the 10% gives you 77.3 cap limit. What is the LTIR reserve allowance Bill referred to? The amount of cap space minus the cap-hit of the contract? Is that added on to the 77.3?

Did you see his tweet the other day after the Bob trade? I thought it was funny, you might not have.

edit- I meant DownGoesBrown
- canadianpenfan

I just looked but couldnt find it.

Not saying that at all. I'm saying that the assists are just as important as the goals. It's a team game. All the little plays behind the goals that you deem as not carrying the same weight. Are of the utmost importance. It's why a team like LA was so good. They played a connected team game all over the ice. Made the plays that led to the goals. So many subtle plays are made on the ice that are ignored. And only the guy who put the puck in the net is seen as important.
- MJL

Read Back MJL. I was posting in reference to how Joe was saying that Ryan only posted 8 more points then Voracek. THAT WAS WHAT MADE MY STATEMENT REVELENT. I'm not saying assists aren't important. Ryan is a much better hockey player, and just because Voracek managed to assit and secondary assist his point totals close to Ryans does not make them in the same ball park. PLEASE READ THE CONTEXT OF THE POSTS YOU ARE RESPONDING TO.

And I'm done.

Still no Shero
- BulliesPhan87

Have they announced the builders or officials? Or announced that there won't be any? Because the release I saw was just players.

Niedermayer was the only huge name I found that's 1st time eligible next year.

Shanny is a mortal lock now IMO.

Perhaps Big E will get it in next year. Felt as though he deserved to get in the same year that Bure did though. He's the better player IMO.
- LordStanley88

See I looked at that list and thought that Chelios was the huge name.


Shanny should have been a mortal lock this year. Now that Bure is in maybe Lindros gets in after all, but I doubt it. Too much bias in the voting, as proven over and over again by the omission of Shero.

Bill, or any other Buzz-ard that can answer this question... If there is an off-season cap allowance meaning you're allowed to go over 10% of the total cap so 10% of 70.3MM, which gives you 7MM, and as you stated the off-season cap is about 77.3MM. Why isn't it advisable to use that space, especially in the situation where as soon as you can LTIR, Pronger will be first in line. I'm sure Homer and his team can get creative enough that they can go over the limit now and still LTIR our walking wounded and remove enough space to get cap compliant.
- GirouxForTheShow

good point.

I just looked but couldnt find it.
- aosplayo

Down Goes Brown ‏@DownGoesBrown
How bad does your goaltending situation have to be for you to think “You know, I should call up the Flyers for help”.

A secondary assist is not worth the same weight as a goal. You say 8 less points... My question is how many of those assists were secondary assists. Goals have a lot more weight when your trying to compair a player by overall points....
- RooNosHockey

FWIW, Voracek had .72 primary assists per 60 (even strength 5v5) minutes of icetime, good for 2nd behind Giroux who had 1.02 per 60 mins icetime.

Also Voracek had 1.17 Goals per 60 mins icetime (5v5) , which is tied for 1st on the team with Read.

Also, Voracek had 2.41 pts per 60 mins of icetime (5v5), good for 2nd on the team behind Giroux's 2.73


The more you know...

Have they announced the builders or officials? Or announced that there won't be any? Because the release I saw was just players.
- bodiva88

According to Puck Daddy, no builders.

The issue with Ryan to me isn't dealing Voracek.

It's having to apparently include d-men in the trade.

With the age and hard minutes kimmo will again be expected to play I wouldnt be dealing away from the depth on D.

I would be in favor of a Schenn/Ryan package.

FWIW, Voracek had .72 primary assists per 60 (even strength 5v5) minutes of icetime, good for 2nd behind Giroux who had 1.02 per 60 mins icetime.

Also Voracek had 1.17 Goals per 60 mins icetime (5v5) , which is tied for 1st on the team with Read.

Also, Voracek had 2.41 pts per 60 mins of icetime (5v5), good for 2nd on the team behind Giroux's 2.73


The more you know...
- phantasm

Games Played 78
Goals 18
Assists 31

The full picture.

FWIW, Voracek had .72 primary assists per 60 (even strength 5v5) minutes of icetime, good for 2nd behind Giroux who had 1.02 per 60 mins icetime.

Also Voracek had 1.17 Goals per 60 mins icetime (5v5) , which is tied for 1st on the team with Read.

Also, Voracek had 2.41 pts per 60 mins of icetime (5v5), good for 2nd on the team behind Giroux's 2.73


The more you know...
- phantasm

Careful.....

Careful.....

- MBFlyerfan

Stats are so boring

Games Played 78
Goals 18
Assists 31

The full picture.
- RooNosHockey

If my suspicion is correct, he did not post 'per sixty minute' stats for the sake of obfuscation, he did so because behindthenet.ca only offers them in that way. I base this on my search for secondary assist totals earlier.

The issue with Ryan to me isn't dealing Voracek.

It's having to apparently include d-men in the trade.

With the age and hard minutes kimmo will again be expected to play I wouldnt be dealing away from the depth on D.

I would be in favor of a Schenn/Ryan package.
- flyer_nutter

I also don't like the 1st round pick being thrown around as if the Flyers are the ones dealing from a position of weakness.

I also don't like the 1st round pick being thrown around as if the Flyers are the ones dealing from a position of weakness.
- MBFlyerfan

As good as Ryan is, how he has handled this whole thing is a red flag to me.

I dont know if I want to make a player like that a part of the "core".

Down Goes Brown ‏@DownGoesBrown
How bad does your goaltending situation have to be for you to think “You know, I should call up the Flyers for help”.
- canadianpenfan

That was the RT that finally got me to follow @downgoesbrown. Good stuff.

Im interested to see if Laughton can make the team out of camp.

Bill, or any other Buzz-ard that can answer this question... If there is an off-season cap allowance meaning you're allowed to go over 10% of the total cap so 10% of 70.3MM, which gives you 7MM, and as you stated the off-season cap is about 77.3MM. Why isn't it advisable to use that space, especially in the situation where as soon as you can LTIR, Pronger will be first in line. I'm sure Homer and his team can get creative enough that they can go over the limit now and still LTIR our walking wounded and remove enough space to get cap compliant.
- GirouxForTheShow

Short answer: That's how you end up with those Gagne-for-Walker and NJ sends 1st-round pick and the Vladimir Malakhov contract for two minor league non-prospects type of trades that come from dealing from a position of weakness where a team is desperate to shed a big contract.

The Flyers need to stay as close as possible to the in-season cap (going over within Pronger's LTIR). They would need to let Carle and Jagr both walk to realistically put out a competitive offer for Parise.

As good as Ryan is, how he has handled this whole thing is a red flag to me.

I dont know if I want to make a player like that a part of the "core".
- flyer_nutter

That is on my mind as well. But most people are acting as if the Flyers need to make this blockbuster offer to get Ryan. I for one don't think his production will increase that dramatically coming here.

And I think all of the deals put forth weaken us. I don't want to trade a defenseman, or a first round pick. That is too much.

Anaheim is under the pressure here. They have the reported unhappy player. Why should the Flyers act as if they are the ones who are coming hat in hand?

Keep your top 4 d-man, keep Voracek who will continue to improve, and keep your first round pick. (Some have mentioned TWO first round picks!)

Ryan is NOT worth it.

Ill say it again, sign a big defensive forward, and possibly another bruiser for defense who will challenge for the 6th spot.

And as for Schultz, and him replacing Carle....

Down Goes Brown ‏@DownGoesBrown
How bad does your goaltending situation have to be for you to think “You know, I should call up the Flyers for help”.
- canadianpenfan

Can one Hockeybuzz referee ban another?

Can one Hockeybuzz referee ban another?
- Daman

+1, ban this Pittsburgh scum