Frank Seravalli ‏@DNFlyers

Terry Murray officially named coach of the AHL's Adirondack Phantoms.



Now the kids will be learning the right way to play defensive hockey.

- MBFlyerfan

Murray on deck now to supplant McCarthy (my preference) or Berube as assistant coach...imagine Murray getting the defensive play in order while Lavy runs the guns on O (Murray layed the defensive foundation in LA before Sutter came in to light a fire). Murray can also serve as a backup to Lavy if he falls out of favor.

Seems like a good move.

Kind of reminds me of last year when everyone said the flyers would have trouble making up for all that offense they traded away. Seems to me that they still have 3 dmen that can move the puck in Timonen, Meszaros and Coburn

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Bourdon showed a little offensive potential last year too
- Dkos

Completely agree. Carle was put into the primary puck moving role but really, others can do it pretty well if called upon. Coburn's first year or two here we was given the opportunity to handle the puck more and he did pretty well with it as I recall. Mez showed he could carry and pass the puck well from his days in Ottawa and showed it here at times when given the chance. I think he could thrive if given a bigger bite of that role. Timonen of course moves the puck with aplomb...even guys like Grossmann and Schenn can move it out when needed and yes, Bourdon and Gusty can chip in in this regard. I don't think Matt Carle's outlet passing was so great that the team will struggle without him. The rest of his game wasn't anything special either and has some significant deficiencies. I think the Flyers will be fine without Matt Carle if that's how it plays out.

Murray on deck now to supplant McCarthy (my preference) or Berube as assistant coach...imagine Murray getting the defensive play in order while Lavy runs the guns on O (Murray layed the defensive foundation in LA before Sutter came in to light a fire). Murray can also serve as a backup to Lavy if he falls out of favor.

Seems like a good move.
- phantasm

McCarthy has been Laviolette's right hand man for a number of years. McCarthy even left Carolina to join Laviolette in Philly. So that's not likely to happen. Murray has shown that he is a quality defensive Coach in his career. So I wouldn't mind seeing it.

Completely agree. Carle was put into the primary puck moving role but really, others can do it pretty well if called upon. Coburn's first year or two here we was given the opportunity to handle the puck more and he did pretty well with it as I recall. Mez showed he could carry and pass the puck well from his days in Ottawa and showed it here at times when given the chance. I think he could thrive if given a bigger bite of that role. Timonen of course moves the puck with aplomb...even guys like Grossmann and Schenn can move it out when needed and yes, Bourdon and Gusty can chip in in this regard. I don't think Matt Carle's outlet passing was so great that the team will struggle without him. The rest of his game wasn't anything special either and has some significant deficiencies. I think the Flyers will be fine without Matt Carle if that's how it plays out.
- phantasm

So Carle's outlet passing isn't so great, and the rest of his game isn't anything special, and he has some significant deficiencies. It's amazing he's still in the League. So there shouldn't be a lot of interest in Carle when he hits Free Agency on Sunday.

On Sunday, if Carle signs with another team, the Carle haters will be posting that the Flyers didn't re-sign Carle because he sucks!

- MJL

Well, I don't know if it would mean he sucks, but it might be an indication that the coaches/GM really didn't feel comfortable in a top role getting 23-25 minute guy, despite having to play him in that role out of necessity at times...someone more suitable for that role than Carle would be worth the money.

McCarthy has been Laviolette's right hand man for a number of years. McCarthy even left Carolina to join Laviolette in Philly. So that's not likely to happen. Murray has shown that he is a quality defensive Coach in his career. So I wouldn't mind seeing it.
- MJL

If any opening was going to happen it was Craig Berube if he was offered a HC job but he wasn't.

Well, I don't know if it would mean he sucks, but it might be an indication that the coaches/GM really didn't feel comfortable in a top role getting 23-25 minute guy, despite having to play him in that role out of necessity at times...someone more suitable for that role than Carle would be worth the money.
- phantasm

If Carle isn't re-signed by the Flyers, it's going to have nothing to do with the Coaching staff not being comfortable with Carle playing top minutes. He has been among the team leaders in icetime for 4 Season now with the Flyers.

So Carle's outlet passing isn't so great, and the rest of his game isn't anything special, and he has some significant deficiencies. It's amazing he's still in the League. So there shouldn't be a lot of interest in Carle when he hits Free Agency on Sunday.
- MJL

On the positive side, he's durable, can skate, is strong on his skates. His outlet passing, which some have touted as his biggest asset, is good, but not all that great really and it doesn't make up for his relative lack of ability on the powerplay, his belwo average shot and his occasional brain farts in the D zone . I feel Carle is best suited as a #4 d man who can spot in on a top pairing if paired with a world class d man. The market for UFA D men is such that a guy like Carle with nice numbers on paper will likely be overpaid by somebody. I'd rather it not eb the Flyers.

If Carle isn't re-signed by the Flyers, it's going to have nothing to do with the Coaching staff not being comfortable with Carle playing top minutes. He has been among the team leaders in icetime for 4 Season now with the Flyers.
- MJL

I believe with Carle there is a cap hit and length of contract the Flyers are willing to go, similiar to the Leino situation last year. I don't believe Schenn was a direct replacement for Carle, but I do believe Homer investigated all options to upgrade the defense and decided on doing the Schenn trade then stand pat. Unless guys like Subban, Bogosian, and Weber get traded this offseason, I would have to assume most #1 d-man weren't available and maybe just maybe Homer isn't the dolt that he is made out to be. Like you, I trust in Homer's abilities.

On the positive side, he's durable, can skate, is strong on his skates. His outlet passing, which some have touted as his biggest asset, is good, but not all that great really and it doesn't make up for his relative lack of ability on the powerplay, his belwo average shot and his occasional brain farts in the D zone . I feel Carle is best suited as a #4 d man who can spot in on a top pairing if paired with a world class d man. The market for UFA D men is such that a guy like Carle with nice numbers on paper will likely be overpaid by somebody. I'd rather it not eb the Flyers.
- phantasm

Carle is a very strong puck mover, and is regarded as such around the League. Your also incorrect about his lack of ability on the PP. He handles and moves the puck well on the PP, and puts up solid PP point numbers for playing on the 2nd PP unit. I would not consider him a PP QB, as your correct that he does not have a great shot. Carle is a proven 2/3 D man in the NHL that can improve any teams puck movement, supply solid point totals, as well as play solidly in his own end, and is a very good shot blocker. All very good players who are UFA's normally are overpaid. Carle will be valued around the league due to how good of a player he is. Hopefully he stays with the Flyers. I think there should be a limit to what the Flyers should pay him. I would not go above 5.5 a year. If he can get more somewhere else. I would move on and make another move, or look to give more offensive responsibilities to other players such as Meszaros.

I believe with Carle there is a cap hit and length of contract the Flyers are willing to go, similiar to the Leino situation last year. I don't believe Schenn was a direct replacement for Carle, but I do believe Homer investigated all options to upgrade the defense and decided on doing the Schenn trade then stand pat. Unless guys like Subban, Bogosian, and Weber get traded this offseason, I would have to assume most #1 d-man weren't available and maybe just maybe Homer isn't the dolt that he is made out to be. Like you, I trust in Homer's abilities.
- ravishingone

I feel the same way. I think the door isn't shut on Carle. But I think they have both agreed that Carle should see what's out there. And if he can get an offer that the Flyers aren't willing to pay, then good luck. The Flyers should have a limit on what they're willing to pay him. He is a very good player, but if some team is going to ridiculously overpay him, then the Flyers need to bow out.

The fans who think Carle is just average won't notice the huge hole we will have until he's gone.

Schenn will not replace his puck moving ability, or his minutes

I feel the same way. I think the door isn't shut on Carle. But I think they have both agreed that Carle should see what's out there. And if he can get an offer that the Flyers aren't willing to pay, then good luck. The Flyers should have a limit on what they're willing to pay him. He is a very good player, but if some team is going to ridiculously overpay him, then the Flyers need to bow out.
- MJL

Certainly d-core would be better with Carle back. However, I do agree with you Meszy can take some of the responsibilites on the PP. Also, I would like to see Coburn, Grossman, and Schenn log more of the PK duties. I'm hoping the team's goal this year is to really limit Kimmo's "hard minutes". The Flyers seem to have established a pretty good shut down defensive tandem in Coburn and Coburn taking on the top line of the opposition. I really hope Kimmo is more of a second pair or even third pair on the PK during the regular season. With Coburn, Grossman, Schenn, and Meszy available I think it is possible.

I don't think losing Carle is the end of the world, I just can't justify going more then $5.5 million/year to keep him. To me, that is overpayment enough.

Certainly d-core would be better with Carle back. However, I do agree with you Meszy can take some of the responsibilites on the PP. Also, I would like to see Coburn, Grossman, and Schenn log more of the PK duties. I'm hoping the team's goal this year is to really limit Kimmo's "hard minutes". The Flyers seem to have established a pretty good shut down defensive tandem in Coburn and Coburn taking on the top line of the opposition. I really hope Kimmo is more of a second pair or even third pair on the PK during the regular season. With Coburn, Grossman, Schenn, and Meszy available I think it is possible.

I don't think losing Carle is the end of the world, I just can't justify going more then $5.5 million/year to keep him. To me, that is overpayment enough.
- ravishingone

I agree with you on everything here. Obviously the Flyers haven't been successful in cutting down penalties. And Timonen has logged way too much PK time. Schenn should be able to take some of those minutes. You still want Timonen out on key PK's. But being one of the top PK minute defenseman in the League, isn't a good thing for Timonen.

I agree with you on everything here. Obviously the Flyers haven't been successful in cutting down penalties. And Timonen has logged way too much PK time. Schenn should be able to take some of those minutes. You still want Timonen out on key PK's. But being one of the top PK minute defenseman isn't a good thing for Timonen.
- MJL

At this point I believe the Flyers if they had a choice would sign Parise before Carle. That being said, I think it is more likely Carle is resigned out of the two.

The fans who think Carle is just average won't notice the huge hole we will have until he's gone.

Schenn will not replace his puck moving ability, or his minutes
- puckhead17

He's one player. The Flyers have guys who can move the puck and if they play better team defense they should be able to survive without him. Good player but not worth overpaying and getting locked into a NTC IMO.

He's one player. The Flyers have guys who can move the puck and if they play better defense they should be able to survive without him. Good player but not worth overpaying and getting locked into a NTC IMO.
- stveshdy

The Flyers absolutely will survive without Carle. Just as they would with any other good player that would move on. It will create opportunities for others. And who knows what other moves the Flyers may make with the Cap space. The Flyers are a better team with Carle. But there has to be a limit to what they're willing to pay. And it's not a given yet that he won't return.

Certainly d-core would be better with Carle back. However, I do agree with you Meszy can take some of the responsibilites on the PP. Also, I would like to see Coburn, Grossman, and Schenn log more of the PK duties. I'm hoping the team's goal this year is to really limit Kimmo's "hard minutes". The Flyers seem to have established a pretty good shut down defensive tandem in Coburn and Coburn taking on the top line of the opposition. I really hope Kimmo is more of a second pair or even third pair on the PK during the regular season. With Coburn, Grossman, Schenn, and Meszy available I think it is possible.

I don't think losing Carle is the end of the world, I just can't justify going more then $5.5 million/year to keep him. To me, that is overpayment enough.
- ravishingone

Agree 100%

The Flyers absolutely will survive without Carle. Just as they would with any other good player that would move on. It will create opportunities for others. And who knows what other moves the Flyers may make with the Cap space. The Flyers are a better team with Carle. But there has to be a limit to what they're willing to pay. And it's not a given yet that he won't return.
- MJL

Will find out soon enough what happens.

not getting biron either

not getting biron either
- flyerscup2011

Did he re-sign?

Did he re-sign?
- MJL

1.3M cap hit for 2 years. Via Bob Mac on the twitters

1.3M cap hit for 2 years. Via Bob Mac on the twitters
- eayost

that was what the flyers were paying starting goalies not that long ago

The fans who think Carle is just average won't notice the huge hole we will have until he's gone.

Schenn will not replace his puck moving ability, or his minutes
- puckhead17

Agreed

I'm just really amazed at the Kolvachuk contract by the Debs. They paid him $12 million in the first two years combined, over the next 6 years $67 million combined. For a team who has been in financial trouble, I just don't understand putting themselves on the hook that much. Parise is going to have to take a real hometown discount to resign because teams are really going to frontload his contract.

I find it hard to believe next year the Debs would have the financially flexibility to pay 3 forwards (Kovy - $11 million, Parise - $12 million, and Elias -$ 6 million) in excess of $29 million. Maybe the unthinkable will happen and Brodeur won't be back.