I agree, no need to bring in Marty. Plus there is no reason for him to sign here anyway, if he comes back it's probably to win a Cup not attempt (probably fail) to scrape into the playoffs and get booted in the first round.

Why does Mike think we need to make the playoffs next year? As much as I'd love being swept in the 1st round I think its a BETTER idea to tank next year and grab what we really need for free - MacKinnon aka franchise 1C.

....wow, let me guess, you've never played hockey have you? Ever try to shoot the puck let alone pass it with a wrist injury? And I'm sorry but if you do actually watch and follow hockey then you should already know when a player is hurt, their production is affected whether or not they play through the injury. I can think of countless of examples where good players vanish because of injuries.
- Hockey_Hoser

So that is why I have been struggling this year in my hockey league lol

Jonathan Quick just signed in LA... why is nobody talking about Bernier, should be cheaper than Luongo and has potential. I think it's worth the risk to get Bernier
- Sundin113

Because we already have too many young, unproven goalies.

Iunno guys, if florida gets luongo, say trades theodore+ which doesnt make sense since theodore played really good for florida and brought them to the playoffs and further into the playoffs, while luongo and the nucks got kicked out the first round.... But if they get luongo surely luongo will start with markstrom as backup for mentoring then when markstrom is ready to be a starter he will start while luongo is a backup. Brodeur makes absolutely no sense for us we dont need a guy who will stick with us for like a year or 2... We arent winning the cup anytime soon, so whats the point? I highly doubt he will even bring us to the playoffs... the leafs absolutely dominated new jersey last season and sniped on brodeur... Theres not much goalies around the league anymore that are elite or available like luongo, but i know burke is waiting for the price to be lowered on luongo most definitely. Its down to either florida or toronto so cant wait to see what they do.

For justin schultz, i pray he comes to toronto so we can start him with gardiner then we have more expendable defensemen to trade away for forwards or in this case a goalie.

every player in the nhl plays injured, if he can't handle it he's in the wrong sport.
- Barx

ummmmm.....

no.

Because we already have too many young, unproven goalies.
- Atomic Wedgie

best case scenario:
one of reimer or bernier step up and play exceptional

worst case scenario:
they both suck and we tank, grab #1 overall

So that is why I have been struggling this year in my hockey league lol
- acresd

For sure man, I played through a wrist injury one season, couldn't even lift the puck off the ice! Barx will probably point out that's the reason I never made the NHL!

....wow, let me guess, you've never played hockey have you? Ever try to shoot the puck let alone pass it with a wrist injury? And I'm sorry but if you do actually watch and follow hockey then you should already know when a player is hurt, their production is affected whether or not they play through the injury. I can think of countless of examples where good players vanish because of injuries.
- Hockey_Hoser

don't start the silly 'you've never played hockey' nonsense.
every single player in the playoffs played through an injury.
i could give you a million examples of guys playing through injury but I am far too lazy.....so I'll leave you with one-steve Yzerman played without a knee and won a cup.
colborne will be a 3rd line centre at best....which leads me back to my point, the leafs have no number one centre and none in their system.

best case scenario:
one of reimer or bernier step up and play exceptional

worst case scenario:
they both suck and we tank, grab #1 overall


- Phil_kessel81

Wouldn't it just be easier to not trade for Bernier (and keep the assets), and hope that Reimer steps up and plays exceptional, or grab the #1 if he sucks?

best case scenario:
one of reimer or Scrivens step up and play exceptional

worst case scenario:
they both suck and we tank, draft 15th overall


- Phil_kessel81

fixed

don't start the silly 'you've never played hockey' nonsense.
every single player in the playoffs played through an injury.
i could give you a million examples of guys playing through injury but I am far too lazy.....so I'll leave you with one-steve Yzerman played without a knee and won a cup.
colborne will be a 3rd line centre at best....which leads me back to my point, the leafs have no number one centre and none in their system.
- Barx

So what you are saying, we should expect Oli to sign with the leafs on Monday

best case scenario:
one of reimer or bernier step up and play exceptional

worst case scenario:
they both suck and we tank, grab #1 overall


- Phil_kessel81

Most likely scenario: they play completely average and we end up out of the playoffs but with a middle of the pack pick.

ummmmm.....

no.
- Dozzer

I'll re-phrase....every GOOD player can play through injury.

don't start the silly 'you've never played hockey' nonsense.
every single player in the playoffs played through an injury.
i could give you a million examples of guys playing through injury but I am far too lazy.....so I'll leave you with one-steve Yzerman played without a knee and won a cup.
colborne will be a 3rd line centre at best....which leads me back to my point, the leafs have no number one centre and none in their system.
- Barx

And Crosby didn't play through his injury.

What a wussy.

Because we already have too many young, unproven goalies.
- Atomic Wedgie

Fair Enough. Although I would personally put Bernier way above our young and unproven goalies.

His movement is much better than Reimer's and is more stable than Scrivens. He is small, but flexible. His challenging and positioning is better than any goalie we have. His ceiling is higher than any goalie we have by a long shot. His ability to stop the puck and control his rebounds is tenfolds better than Reimer's.

I love Reimer and i want to see him do well, but let's be realistic and rational. Unless he plays like he did the rest of his career like that 20-25 game stretch 2 seasons ago, we won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

Also Bernier imo would cost less than Luongo, Gillis seems to be playing hardball when he doesn't really have much leverage...

Wouldn't it just be easier to not trade for Bernier (and keep the assets), and hope that Reimer steps up and plays exceptional, or grab the #1 if he sucks?
- Atomic Wedgie

yes i wouldn't mind that and that does make a lot of sense
but i think we can all agree bernier has a higher ceiling, its just whether or not he hits that is the wild factor in that

you make a good point though

don't start the silly 'you've never played hockey' nonsense.
every single player in the playoffs played through an injury.
i could give you a million examples of guys playing through injury but I am far too lazy.....so I'll leave you with one-steve Yzerman played without a knee and won a cup.
colborne will be a 3rd line centre at best....which leads me back to my point, the leafs have no number one centre and none in their system.
- Barx

Your answer just proved my point, you've never played hockey, thanks for the help. Done and done!

don't start the silly 'you've never played hockey' nonsense.
every single player in the playoffs played through an injury.
i could give you a million examples of guys playing through injury but I am far too lazy.....so I'll leave you with one-steve Yzerman played without a knee and won a cup.
colborne will be a 3rd line centre at best....which leads me back to my point, the leafs have no number one centre and none in their system.
- Barx

not for nothing, but the Bruins don't give up big boys who can play.

Fair Enough. Although I would personally put Bernier way above our young and unproven goalies.

His movement is much better than Reimer's and is more stable than Scrivens. He is small, but flexible. His challenging and positioning is better than any goalie we have. His ceiling is higher than any goalie we have by a long shot. His ability to stop the puck and control his rebounds is tenfolds better than Reimer's.

I love Reimer and i want to see him do well, but let's be realistic and rational. Unless he plays like he did the rest of his career like that 20-25 game stretch 2 seasons ago, we won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

Also Bernier imo would cost less than Luongo, Gillis seems to be playing hardball when he doesn't really have much leverage...
- Sundin113

No.

Bernier will cost.

Luongo will only come to Toronto if the price is very low.

not for nothing, but the Bruins don't give up big boys who can play.
- DoubleDown

Joe Thornton disagrees.

For sure man, I played through a wrist injury one season, couldn't even lift the puck off the ice! Barx will probably point out that's the reason I never made the NHL!
- Hockey_Hoser

maybe try soccer hoser....might be more up your alley.

No.

Bernier will cost.

Luongo will only come to Toronto if the price is very low.
- Atomic Wedgie

I'm still waiting for the Ballard for Komisarek rumours to begin flying.

And Crosby didn't play through his injury.

What a wussy.
- Atomic Wedgie

when did he have a wrist injury?

Your answer just proved my point, you've never played hockey, thanks for the help. Done and done!
- Hockey_Hoser

Wrist injuries aren't all identical.