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77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jun 30 @ 1:19 PM ET
Does anyone else get the feeling that Parise will be the main target of the Flyers tomorrow? He may go to another place because of location, but I think the Flyers will pretty much match or out spend anyone.

Of course, if the Flyers land Parise, Carle is a goner.

- ravishingone


I really, really hope so.

I would do just about anything possible to woo him here. I'd gladly sacrifice Carle's signing for him. Without a moments hesitation.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jun 30 @ 1:21 PM ET
I really, really hope so.

I would do just about anything possible to woo him here. I'd gladly sacrifice Carle's signing for him. Without a moments hesitation.

- 77rams



That would be a scary first line
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jun 30 @ 1:24 PM ET
top fas always wanted to come to philly, not no more....since we traded richie and carter and signed bryz, it seems top fas stay away or is it my parnoia?

i hope having bryz does not hurt our chance to sign doan if we have one, or if homer wants him, not sure if he was one of the coyotes talking $hit on him last year.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jun 30 @ 1:26 PM ET
top fas always wanted to come to philly, not no more....since we traded richie and carter and signed bryz, it seems top fas stay away or is it my parnoia?

i hope having bryz does not hurt our chance to sign doan if we have one, or if homer wants him, not sure if he was one of the coyotes talking $hit on him last year.

- mydoglicks


Doan never said anything one way or the other (although who knows how he personally felt?). It was Aucoin and Morris who spoke out.

mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jun 30 @ 1:26 PM ET
That would be a scary first line
- funmaster18


i just dont see parise and g doing well together, hes gonna go where he will be the top dog.

g needs a compliment player not another playmaker
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jun 30 @ 1:28 PM ET
Doan never said anything one way or the other (although who knows how he personally felt?). It was Aucoin and Morris who spoke out.
- bmeltzer


it seems to me that after they spoke out bryz's play took a bad turn, Bill if we ever did get doan..what would his contract be like to lure him here?
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jun 30 @ 1:29 PM ET
top fas always wanted to come to philly, not no more....since we traded richie and carter and signed bryz, it seems top fas stay away or is it my parnoia?

i hope having bryz does not hurt our chance to sign doan if we have one, or if homer wants him, not sure if he was one of the coyotes talking $hit on him last year.

- mydoglicks

There haven't exactly been many chances for FA to sign here since those trades, what with this being the second offseason since. It didn't seem to bother Jagr last year, anyways.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 30 @ 1:29 PM ET
I really, really hope so.

I would do just about anything possible to woo him here. I'd gladly sacrifice Carle's signing for him. Without a moments hesitation.

- 77rams

no hesitation about ~8M it will take to sign him?
because G will need a raise too in 2 yrs
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 30 @ 1:33 PM ET
i just dont see parise and g doing well together, hes gonna go where he will be the top dog.

g needs a compliment player not another playmaker

- mydoglicks



Then Pittsburgh would be out on that thinking
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 30 @ 1:36 PM ET
it seems to me that after they spoke out bryz's play took a bad turn, Bill if we ever did get doan..what would his contract be like to lure him here?
- mydoglicks

guessing 16 M over 4 years or 14.5 - 15M for 3
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 30 @ 1:40 PM ET
guessing 16 M over 4 years or 14.5 - 15M for 3
- Marc D


What's the better value:

-Doan @ 3 yrs for $15 million at an over 35 contract
-Carle @ 6 years for $36 million
-Parise @ 8 years for $60 million

Each deal has value and equal risk.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 30 @ 1:42 PM ET
nash to rangers heating up huh? boy they could get nash and shultz while getting rid of dubi. If the blow j's take Dubinskys contract something is effed up here...
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jun 30 @ 1:43 PM ET
guessing 16 M over 4 years or 14.5 - 15M for 3
- Marc D


Sounds about right. I figure his cap hit will be $4.5M to $5M but perhaps he'd take a steep drop (can't be too much, though) in exchange for the fourth year he wants.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 30 @ 1:47 PM ET
What's the better value:

-Doan @ 3 yrs for $15 million at an over 35 contract
-Carle @ 6 years for $36 million
-Parise @ 8 years for $60 million

Each deal has value and equal risk.

- ravishingone

tough question

Carle... no
Doan... hmm maybe
Parise I guess is the best one

hard to look at in isolation, with G's deal up in 2 years, locking in Parise for 8 years, then you have to pay G... still I'd take Parise, then Doan, then Carle if those were the options
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 30 @ 1:51 PM ET
nash to rangers heating up huh? boy they could get nash and shultz while getting rid of dubi. If the blow j's take Dubinskys contract something is effed up here...
- Just5

but its likely to be
Dubi + Stepan+ Del Zotto
they get 2 very good young players and Dubi could bounce back, even though his contract is dog so is Nash's deal
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 30 @ 1:53 PM ET
but its likely to be
Dubi + Stepan+ Del Zotto
they get 2 very good young players and Dubi could bounce back, even though his contract is dog so is Nash's deal

- Marc D


Its a win for the rangers if they hang onto McDonough and Kreider in the deal. That deal you mentioned is a win for the rangers.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 30 @ 1:56 PM ET
tough question

Carle... no
Doan... hmm maybe
Parise I guess is the best one

hard to look at in isolation, with G's deal up in 2 years, locking in Parise for 8 years, then you have to pay G... still I'd take Parise, then Doan, then Carle if those were the options

- Marc D


It is a very tough question. I think with the G contract, I think it is safe to assume he will approach a little below Crosby and Malkin at an average per year salary - somewhere around $8 million.

Also, the great unknown is the CBA. Will there be any provisions in the cap for "homegrown players"? Certainly nothing is set in stone, but I would assume Mr. Snyder has a pretty good idea what the league is looking for in negotiations.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 30 @ 1:57 PM ET
Its a win for the rangers if they hang onto McDonough and Kreider in the deal. That deal you mentioned is a win for the rangers.
- Just5

what are the chances the Rags let one of these guys go in a Nash deal?
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 30 @ 1:58 PM ET
It is a very tough question. I think with the G contract, I think it is safe to assume he will approach a little below Crosby and Malkin at an average per year salary - somewhere around $8 million.

Also, the great unknown is the CBA. Will there be any provisions in the cap for "homegrown players"? Certainly nothing is set in stone, but I would assume Mr. Snyder has a pretty good idea what the league is looking for in negotiations.

- ravishingone

what does this mean?
have you heard something about a proposed provision?
Pat MaGroin
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Kensington, PA
Joined: 06.03.2007

Jun 30 @ 1:59 PM ET
what are the chances the Rags let one of these guys go in a Nash deal?
- Marc D


0
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 30 @ 2:00 PM ET
what are the chances the Rags let one of these guys go in a Nash deal?
- Marc D


If I'm the Rangers their untouchable.....along with Girardi and Cally
Pat MaGroin
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Kensington, PA
Joined: 06.03.2007

Jun 30 @ 2:00 PM ET
what are the chances the Rags let one of these guys go in a Nash deal?
- Marc D


I thinkif the Rags get Schultz that will make Del Zotto expendable and I think you'll see the Rags acquire Nash very quickly.
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 30 @ 2:00 PM ET
what are the chances the Rags let one of these guys go in a Nash deal?
- Marc D




0, McDoungah is in the Yandle deal
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 30 @ 2:02 PM ET
what does this mean?
have you heard something about a proposed provision?

- Marc D


I knew I read it from somewhere, there are other articles out there on the subject. Of course, this is just speculation at this point nothing more.


http://www.hockeybuzz.com...t_id=44835&blogger_id=160
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 30 @ 2:04 PM ET
Classy move by Homer... give the kid a chance to start fresh somewhere else.
- Tomahawk


More then likely that Holmgren tried to give him away, and found no takers. 100K for the next two years for Bartulis on the Cap.
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