This just gives us more leverage in any Ryan deal. This is the one thin that's has been positive in this waiting game.
- FlyersFirst

Always nice to see a poster I haven't met before.

My issue with Ryan is he does nothing to help the defensive presence of the team.

Its more than likely a d-man may have to be given up in order to get him, and the Flyers get even weaker defensively.

What the h are they thinking in Buffalo? I'm not a big Roy fan but that deal just doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
- hereticpride

It seems like the majority of Sabe fans like the deal.

Always nice to see a poster I haven't met before.

My issue with Ryan is he does nothing to help the defensive presence of the team.

Its more than likely a d-man may have to be given up in order to get him, and the Flyers get even weaker defensively.
- flyer_nutter

Bingo.

He can handle his own in the D zone, and he's an upgrade over JVR and others in the lineup now, but he's by no means what they really need. They need D help. Whether that comes via a defenseman or a defensive minded forward remains to be seen.

I don't think Ryan fits that bill. He's close, but I don't think he's what is needed right now. Getting him does more harm to the team than good, in my opinion, because of the assets asked by the Ducks. In no means do I think he is worth the moon +, as the Ducks are asking.

He's a novelty. Not a necessity.

One last thing- I think the Flyers should stand pat because I don't think an opportunity to plug that defensive hole has risen yet (providing reports saying Parise won't be a Flyer hold true). Now...if we fast forward one year....all hands on deck.

Bingo.

He can handle his own in the D zone, and he's an upgrade over JVR and others in the lineup now, but he's by no means what they really need. They need D help. Whether that comes via a defenseman or a defensive minded forward remains to be seen.

I don't think Ryan fits that bill. He's close, but I don't think he's what is needed right now. Getting him does more harm to the team than good, in my opinion, because of the assets asked by the Ducks. In no means do I think he is worth the moon +, as the Ducks are asking.

He's a novelty. Not a necessity.

One last thing- I think the Flyers should stand pat because I don't think an opportunity to plug that defensive hole has risen yet (providing reports saying Parise won't be a Flyer hold true). Now...if we fast forward one year....all hands on deck.
- Giroux_Is_God

Very true. It's unfortunate if the team cannot further improve this season by adding a big name. A guy like Parise or Suter. Or if the team cannot keep Carle.

However overpaying like crazy is not the way this franchise will be a cup winner in the future.

I'd be all for adding Suter, or Parise but the cap hit has to be reasonable. If the team does overpay I can live with it. However giving up assets for a guy like Ryan? Just doesnt make me cream my pants.

I'd be looking at Doan if the team wants a forward.

Bingo.

He can handle his own in the D zone, and he's an upgrade over JVR and others in the lineup now, but he's by no means what they really need. They need D help. Whether that comes via a defenseman or a defensive minded forward remains to be seen.

I don't think Ryan fits that bill. He's close, but I don't think he's what is needed right now. Getting him does more harm to the team than good, in my opinion, because of the assets asked by the Ducks. In no means do I think he is worth the moon +, as the Ducks are asking.

He's a novelty. Not a necessity.

One last thing- I think the Flyers should stand pat because I don't think an opportunity to plug that defensive hole has risen yet (providing reports saying Parise won't be a Flyer hold true). Now...if we fast forward one year....all hands on deck.
- Giroux_Is_God

Homer can't stand pat right now - there are too many gaps in the line-up. They have money to spend - they win no prizes for going into the season with the biggest cap space. The Flyers need another defenseman, true. But, they equally need a top 6 winger... Ryan more than replaces the aging Jagr and the potential great JVR. Since teams rarely get what they ask for in a trade... I'm interested to what Homer can do. If he ships off a defenseman, he'll have a plan in place to fill the defensive gap that he just created.

Adding Ryan only makes sense if we add another good D man because we're gonna need to ship one out in a deal to Anaheim. I don't think a jake and picks or read and picks deal gets him.

Homer can't stand pat right now - there are too many gaps in the line-up. They have money to spend - they win no prizes for going into the season with the biggest cap space. The Flyers need another defenseman, true. But, they equally need a top 6 winger... Ryan more than replaces the aging Jagr and the potential great JVR. Since teams rarely get what they ask for in a trade... I'm interested to what Homer can do. If he ships off a defenseman, he'll have a plan in place to fill the defensive gap that he just created.
- leon neon

Jake Voracek plus a top four defenseman is overpaying for Bobby Ryan.
just my opinion.

Jake Voracek plus a top four defenseman is overpaying for Bobby Ryan.
just my opinion.
- Marc D

It's starting to seem like adding anyone, where it's via Free Agency, or by trade, is going to require over payment. 100M for Parise or Suter? 6+M for Carle? It's insanity.

Homer can't stand pat right now - there are too many gaps in the line-up. They have money to spend - they win no prizes for going into the season with the biggest cap space. The Flyers need another defenseman, true. But, they equally need a top 6 winger... Ryan more than replaces the aging Jagr and the potential great JVR. Since teams rarely get what they ask for in a trade... I'm interested to what Homer can do. If he ships off a defenseman, he'll have a plan in place to fill the defensive gap that he just created.
- leon neon

Good points.I'd however like to point out one thing on my mind.

You have to analyze why you have to improve your team in the first place. Is the reason the Flyers lost to the Devils or why they had trouble against solid defensive teams because they lacked a guy like Ryan?

Or was it because of a lack of defensive presence on the whole team? A guy like Suter even if overpaid will help that aspect. As will Doan. Even as much as I will despise if Holmgren overpays Carle, I will understand the move. I do not understand getting Ryan.

In reality no matter what they do will matter if Bryzgalov doesn't play better.

It's starting to seem like adding anyone, where it's via Free Agency, or by trade, is going to require over payment. 100M for Parise or Suter? 6+M for Carle? It's insanity.
- MJL

And not the good kind

It's starting to seem like adding anyone, where it's via Free Agency, or by trade, is going to require over payment. 100M for Parise or Suter? 6+M for Carle? It's insanity.
- MJL

Sucks that the CBA is forcing many other teams to operate similarly to the flyers

Very true. It's unfortunate if the team cannot further improve this season by adding a big name. A guy like Parise or Suter. Or if the team cannot keep Carle.

However overpaying like crazy is not the way this franchise will be a cup winner in the future.

I'd be all for adding Suter, or Parise but the cap hit has to be reasonable. If the team does overpay I can live with it. However giving up assets for a guy like Ryan? Just doesnt make me cream my pants.

I'd be looking at Doan if the team wants a forward.
- flyer_nutter

This is getting too annoying for me.

Pull the offers off the table for Suter and Parise. Allow them to be another team's cap nightmare for the next ten years.

Toss 5.5 at Carle and tell him he has 1 hour to decide or that offer is gone and you're moving forward without him

Offer Doan what he wants, ink him and call it a day.

It's starting to seem like adding anyone, where it's via Free Agency, or by trade, is going to require over payment. 100M for Parise or Suter? 6+M for Carle? It's insanity.
- MJL

It really makes you wonder where the next collective bargaining agreement is going.

Can these salaries keep escalating?
Adding a cap just made teams stretch the contracts out to pay these guys beyond their realistic playing years.

Sucks that the CBA is forcing many other teams to operate similarly to the flyers
- flyerscup2011

Are you talking about the possible term limits in the new CBA?

This is getting too annoying fore me.

Pull the offers off the table for Suter and Parise. Allow them to be another team's cap nightmare for the next ten years.

Toss 5.5 at Carle and tell him he has 1 hour to decide or that offer is gone and you're moving forward without him

Offer Doan what he wants, ink him and call it a day.
- 77rams

I like this

Jake Voracek plus a top four defenseman is overpaying for Bobby Ryan.
just my opinion.
- Marc D

Looking at the Anaheim depth chart, I'm not sure they will be looking for a top 4 d-man, possibly more of a prospect 3rd pairing.

Souray - $3.67 million @ 3yrs
Beauchemin - $3.5 million @ 3yrs
Allen - $3.5 million @ 3 yrs
Lydman -$3 million @ 1yr
Sbisa - $2.175 million @ 3yrs
Fowler - $1.4 million @ 1yr

I'm not sure out of that list, who might be bumped down to #6 d-man. Maybe a combo of Gus or MAB with Voracek and a draft pick might be enough. I think they just extended Beauchemin last year, and added Allen and Souray this year. They certainly aren't going to bump down the young guys. I think the Flyers assets with forward depth seem to match up pretty well with the Ducks.

It really makes you wonder where the next collective bargaining agreement is going.

Can these salaries keep escalating?
Adding a cap just made teams stretch the contracts out to pay these guys beyond their realistic playing years.
- Marc D

At some point, I think something needs to happen to protect themselves from themselves. The League, and the Owners wanted a Cap to keep salaries in check. Well who's making all these huge offers to UFA's. It seems as though some Owners are writing blank checks. And Brian Burke has it right when he say to put it in my own words. That some of his peers are out of control and are hurting the League.

Looking at the Anaheim depth chart, I'm not sure they will be looking for a top 4 d-man, possibly more of a prospect 3rd pairing.

Souray - $3.67 million @ 3yrs
Beauchemin - $3.5 million @ 3yrs
Allen - $3.5 million @ 3 yrs
Lydman -$3 million @ 1yr
Sbisa - $2.175 million @ 3yrs
Fowler - $1.4 million @ 1yr

I'm not sure out of that list, who might be bumped down to #6 d-man. Maybe a combo of Gus or MAB with Voracek and a draft pick might be enough. I think they just extended Beauchemin last year, and added Allen and Souray this year. They certainly aren't going to bump down the young guys. I think the Flyers assets with forward depth seem to match up pretty well with the Ducks.
- ravishingone

I think if the Flyers could get Ryan for Voracek and one of those two defenseman they would do it. Not sure it would be enough for Anaheim.

Are you talking about the possible term limits in the new CBA?
- MJL

Talking about the current CBA and how it forces teams to spend $$$

It really makes you wonder where the next collective bargaining agreement is going.

Can these salaries keep escalating?
Adding a cap just made teams stretch the contracts out to pay these guys beyond their realistic playing years.
- Marc D

I thought a part of the lockout was creating more parity around the league.

However you are starting to see more and more of a disparity between the bigger markets teams and smaller market teams in terms of how much money they can dish out in the first place.

As much as I like it when it comes to the Flyers, the cap is too high.

At some point, I think something needs to happen to protect themselves from themselves. The League, and the Owners wanted a Cap to keep salaries in check. Well who's making all these huge offers to UFA's. It seems as though some Owners are writing blank checks. And Brian Burke has it right when he say to put it in my own words. That some of his peers are out of control and are hurting the League.
- MJL

the owners are super competitive, want to win at all costs types

the teams will find ways to maneuver around the language in the cba like they are doing now

I'm not sure what the answer is

Talking about the current CBA and how it forces teams to spend $$$
- flyerscup2011

I'm not following you there, unless your talking about the Cap Lower Limit.

the owners are super competitive, want to win at all costs types

the teams will find ways to maneuver around the language in the cba like they are doing now

I'm not sure what the answer is
- Marc D

And there's no doubt that whatever changes are made, they'll find ways around that also.

the owners are super competitive, want to win at all costs types

the teams will find ways to maneuver around the language in the cba like they are doing now

I'm not sure what the answer is
- Marc D

A maximum length for contracts.

A hard cap set for an extended period of time. A cap hit being purely determined by the simple calculation.

Total salary / number of years.

I'm not following you there, unless your talking about the Cap Lower Limit.
- MJL

Then you are following me.