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FlyersFirst
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2011

Jul 3 @ 4:48 PM ET
Unbeleivable how this off season is playing out. Who'd have thought that on July 3rd, that there would be so little to talk about, that lunch and fake twitter accounts would be the main topics. Crazy! But don't worry, as soon as Parise can find his long lost Uncle on his Mother's side, he'll be done running it by the family. A decision is forthcoming.
- MJL


Is anyone even open for business tomorrow? could there be deals on the 4th or are we looking at thursday???
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jul 3 @ 4:49 PM ET
Unbeleivable how this off season is playing out. Who'd have thought that on July 3rd, that there would be so little to talk about, that lunch and fake twitter accounts would be the main topics. Crazy! But don't worry, as soon as Parise can find his long lost Uncle on his Mother's side, he'll be done running it by the family. A decision is forthcoming.
- MJL


speculating: I wonder if it is the Flyers who might be holding this up indirectly? Have other teams given such purportedly humongous offers to BOTH players? They both want to play with each other very much, I hear, and yet the team offering the best deals to both of them is a team they do not want to go to.

Best option: see if other teams can be leveraged by this to increase offers.
FlyersFirst
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2011

Jul 3 @ 4:51 PM ET
speculating: I wonder if it is the Flyers who might be holding this up indirectly? Have other teams given such purportedly humongous offers to BOTH players? They both want to play with each other very much, I hear, and yet the team offering the best deals to both of them is a team they do not want to go to.

Best option: see if other teams can be leveraged by this to increase offers.

- PT21


package deal: 2 players @ $25 years, $200million dollars with naming rights to the arena
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 3 @ 4:52 PM ET
speculating: I wonder if it is the Flyers who might be holding this up indirectly? Have other teams given such purportedly humongous offers to BOTH players? They both want to play with each other very much, I hear, and yet the team offering the best deals to both of them is a team they do not want to go to.

Best option: see if other teams can be leveraged by this to increase offers.

- PT21

Does a team that can afford 16 mill in cap space on the two of them have enough left to be competitive over the years of those contracts? Go where you want to go and there's a good fit and take fishing trips together in the summer.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 3 @ 4:52 PM ET
aside from fakepannacio has there ever been a truly funny fake account?
- Crimsoninja


notbryz is the best fake
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 3 @ 4:53 PM ET
fakelavy just gets annoying.
- MBFlyerfan


I bailed on that one fairly quickly, too. Fakepanoch didn't last long for me either. I think notbryz is the only fake I follow now.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 3 @ 4:54 PM ET
What would the Flyers have to give up to land Enstrom?

Other than Doan are there any big, Physical two way wingers still available in FA?
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 3 @ 4:56 PM ET
tough to say about enstrom's price
but i'd like him on this team

What would the Flyers have to give up to land Enstrom?

Other than Doan are there any big, Physical two way wingers still available in FA?

- jstross

Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 3 @ 5:01 PM ET
tough to say about enstrom's price
but i'd like him on this team

- Crimsoninja


Haaaaaaqaaaa
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 3 @ 5:02 PM ET
Yeah, He was mentioned the other day and the more I look at things the less likely it is to land a quality DMan in FA. Carle will tie up too much money for his value, IMO.
tough to say about enstrom's price
but i'd like him on this team

- Crimsoninja

Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 3 @ 5:04 PM ET
entstrom will cost alot too though. pretty sure his contract's up after next season

Yeah, He was mentioned the other day and the more I look at things the less likely it is to land a quality DMan in FA. Carle will tie up too much money for his value, IMO.
- jstross

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 3 @ 5:07 PM ET
speculating: I wonder if it is the Flyers who might be holding this up indirectly? Have other teams given such purportedly humongous offers to BOTH players? They both want to play with each other very much, I hear, and yet the team offering the best deals to both of them is a team they do not want to go to.

Best option: see if other teams can be leveraged by this to increase offers.

- PT21


I posted the same exact thing earlier. I had the same speculation. That it isn't running things by the family. It's getting teams to bid against each other to get the teams they really want to play for, to match the top offers they received from other teams.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 3 @ 5:07 PM ET
If the Flyers could land a top tier 3rd line winger I'd be willing to trade Bordon, read and pick(s). Would that be enough?
entstrom will cost alot too though. pretty sure his contract's up after next season
- Crimsoninja

Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 3 @ 5:08 PM ET
Pretty smooth transition when the kimmo era ends

entstrom will cost alot too though. pretty sure his contract's up after next season
- Crimsoninja

Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 3 @ 5:09 PM ET
yeah, good point about kimmo's contract

Pretty smooth transition when the kimmo era ends
- Just5



man i really wish he could get a cup before he goes. total warrior
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 3 @ 5:10 PM ET
I posted the same exact thing earlier. I had the same speculation. That it isn't running things by the family. It's getting teams to bid against each other to get the teams they really want to play for, to match the top offers they received from other teams.
- MJL


Reports are its not about the money so much as trying to get ahold of a fiancée . They can be so finicky sometimes
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 3 @ 5:12 PM ET
yeah, good point about kimmo's contract




man i really wish he could get a cup before he goes. total warrior

- Crimsoninja


2 warriors (Pronger/timonen). 1 cup
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 3 @ 5:17 PM ET
Reports are its not about the money so much as trying to get ahold of a fiancée . They can be so finicky sometimes
- Just5


She's probably shopping. She's got a lot of money to spend. Might as well get a good head start.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jul 3 @ 5:18 PM ET
Does a team that can afford 16 mill in cap space on the two of them have enough left to be competitive over the years of those contracts? Go where you want to go and there's a good fit and take fishing trips together in the summer.
- bodiva88



Maybe thats why they hesitate to come here. Flyers will always ice a good reg season team but will always lack a long term perspective (actually keeping those late first round forwards wonders after they sign them or grooming D men from the farm) or pay attention to some of the less flashy issues (team D instead of individual stats, making the Briere line more balanced instead of shifting him all over the place with bad defensive forwards) that produces success deep in the playoffs. They will create a splash, then fail, then throw more money. On and on it will go.

Yeah why give Jake 4 mil when we can get wreck the house by giving Nash or Prise 8? After all, why would we need a durable, strong, young player who was one of the best forwards in the playoffs, made the pp very dangerous by his movement on the right side, and is perhaps our best defensive top 6 forward? Who down the line could become a much better goal scorer? Nah, trade him! We want proven stars who we sign to huge deals or by giving way young assets: see how well it has worked out for us in the last 15 years!

Already G is the "best player in the world" ((frank)ing absurd). Soon, we will Mike Richards him. Hive him the C, put an overly huge burden on his young shoulders, tear him to pieces when an inevtiable slump arrives (how will two wrist surgeries affect him I wonder...). A huge contract and then trade will undoubtedly follow.

As for Lavy, enjoy your last year in Philly.
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Jul 3 @ 5:18 PM ET
Reports are its not about the money so much as trying to get ahold of a fiancée . They can be so finicky sometimes
- Just5

My sources are telling me she is somewhere in the mountains along the border of Pakistan and Afghanistan. This could take a while.
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jul 3 @ 5:19 PM ET
Reports are its not about the money so much as trying to get ahold of a fiancée . They can be so finicky sometimes
- Just5


Yea, you'd think they've talked in the last 3 days via a cellphone... maybe Skype? Once they're married, her input probably won't be as important. Too bad they aren't already
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jul 3 @ 5:20 PM ET
My sources are telling me she is somewhere in the mountains along the border of Pakistan and Afghanistan. This could take a while.
- feelingkettle



Oh a thrill-seeker? then he is going to Detroit for sure. What other suitor could match that possibiiity of physical danger?
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jul 3 @ 5:24 PM ET
Maybe thats why they hesitate to come here. Flyers will always ice a good reg season team but will always lack a long term perspective (actually keeping those late first round forwards wonders after they sign them or grooming D men from the farm) or pay attention to some of the less flashy issues (team D instead of individual stats, making the Briere line more balanced instead of shifting him all over the place with bad defensive forwards) that produces success deep in the playoffs. They will create a splash, then fail, then throw more money. On and on it will go.

Yeah why give Jake 4 mil when we can get wreck the house by giving Nash or Prise 8? After all, why would we need a durable, strong, young player who was one of the best forwards in the playoffs, made the pp very dangerous by his movement on the right side, and is perhaps our best defensive top 6 forward? Who down the line could become a much better goal scorer? Nah, trade him! We want proven stars who we sign to huge deals or by giving way young assets: see how well it has worked out for us in the last 15 years!

Already G is the "best player in the world" ((frank)ing absurd). Soon, we will Mike Richards him. Hive him the C, put an overly huge burden on his young shoulders, tear him to pieces when an inevtiable slump arrives (how will two wrist surgeries affect him I wonder...). A huge contract and then trade will undoubtedly follow.

As for Lavy, enjoy your last year in Philly.

- PT21



Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jul 3 @ 5:24 PM ET
Maybe thats why they hesitate to come here. Flyers will always ice a good reg season team but will always lack a long term perspective (actually keeping those late first round forwards wonders after they sign them or grooming D men from the farm) or pay attention to some of the less flashy issues (team D instead of individual stats, making the Briere line more balanced instead of shifting him all over the place with bad defensive forwards) that produces success deep in the playoffs. They will create a splash, then fail, then throw more money. On and on it will go.

Yeah why give Jake 4 mil when we can get wreck the house by giving Nash or Prise 8? After all, why would we need a durable, strong, young player who was one of the best forwards in the playoffs, made the pp very dangerous by his movement on the right side, and is perhaps our best defensive top 6 forward? Who down the line could become a much better goal scorer? Nah, trade him! We want proven stars who we sign to huge deals or by giving way young assets: see how well it has worked out for us in the last 15 years!

Already G is the "best player in the world" ((frank)ing absurd). Soon, we will Mike Richards him. Hive him the C, put an overly huge burden on his young shoulders, tear him to pieces when an inevtiable slump arrives (how will two wrist surgeries affect him I wonder...). A huge contract and then trade will undoubtedly follow.

As for Lavy, enjoy your last year in Philly.

- PT21



Lol it's like a vicious cycle....I Agree with everything except voracek @ 4 that's to much rather have Ryan @ 5.1....
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Jul 3 @ 5:25 PM ET
Maybe thats why they hesitate to come here. Flyers will always ice a good reg season team but will always lack a long term perspective (actually keeping those late first round forwards wonders after they sign them or grooming D men from the farm) or pay attention to some of the less flashy issues (team D instead of individual stats, making the Briere line more balanced instead of shifting him all over the place with bad defensive forwards) that produces success deep in the playoffs. They will create a splash, then fail, then throw more money. On and on it will go.

Yeah why give Jake 4 mil when we can get wreck the house by giving Nash or Prise 8? After all, why would we need a durable, strong, young player who was one of the best forwards in the playoffs, made the pp very dangerous by his movement on the right side, and is perhaps our best defensive top 6 forward? Who down the line could become a much better goal scorer? Nah, trade him! We want proven stars who we sign to huge deals or by giving way young assets: see how well it has worked out for us in the last 15 years!

Already G is the "best player in the world" ((frank)ing absurd). Soon, we will Mike Richards him. Hive him the C, put an overly huge burden on his young shoulders, tear him to pieces when an inevtiable slump arrives (how will two wrist surgeries affect him I wonder...). A huge contract and then trade will undoubtedly follow.

As for Lavy, enjoy your last year in Philly.

- PT21

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