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OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 5 @ 12:50 PM ET
@DarrenDreger: Carolina Hurricanes are no longer persuing Rick Nash. Cost way too high. CBJ believed to be after Jeff Skinner. Non-starter.
- nastyflyergirl


howson is completely out of his mind and short of utter desperation from someone else, will never get what he wants because frankly, six years of rick nash (who everyone knows they HAVE to trade) at 7.8 mil doesn't have great trade value.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 5 @ 12:51 PM ET
But those guys all offered something else. Hextall stopped pucks, Upshall chipped in offensively and Carcillo kept the room light because he was so ugly.
- canadianpenfan

Go worry about your own bag of bad apples would ya!?
canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

Jul 5 @ 12:52 PM ET
howson is completely out of his mind and short of utter desperation from someone else, will never get what he wants because frankly, six years of rick nash (who everyone knows they HAVE to trade) at 7.8 mil doesn't have great trade value.
- OrangeBlack27



What I love about Howson is that everyone says what he gets back for Nash will determine his professional future. That started 2 years ago, and in the meantime he has made that team way worse. Someone needs to take him and Feaster out back and put them out of their misery.
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 5 @ 12:53 PM ET
To be fair, Eric Brewer was seen as a pretty hot commodity back then, and Woywitka and Lynch were supposed to be quality prospects. In hindsight, the deal was a total steal for the Oilers, but it could have swung the other way if the other players came anywhere close to meeting their potentials.

As far as the ANA-PHI Pronger deal, hindsight probably won't be as kind. Etem and Palmieri were really strong late 1st-round picks... the deal would look even worse if ANA hadn't turned around and pissed themselves by dealing Lupul + Gardiner for Beauchemin.

- Tomahawk


I agree. I wasn't even looking at the end result of who the picks turned into, because that is a bit of a crapshoot.

But the Oilers gave up a great prospect and 2 solid prospects. Anaheim gave up 2 very good but not top prospects, a 1st and 2nd round pick, and a CONDITIONAL pick that turned into 1st round pick.

We gave up 2 solid but not top former 1st rounders in Lupul and Sbisa, 2 1st rounds and a 3rd.

That was a bigger package than Edmonton gave up and probably equal to Anaheim's for a much older pronger with only 1 year left on contract.

Vast overpayment in my mind.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 5 @ 12:53 PM ET
People will not remember he is only 22. We already saw that with the JVR bashing. People were constantly complaining about JVR as if he was a 27 year old 8 year veteran.

Same will happen with Schenn because a vocal portion of the Flyers fans in this town are idiots.

- MBFlyerfan

They'll love him because he plays physical, Grossman makes mistakes too but that gets overlooked...
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jul 5 @ 12:54 PM ET
howson is completely out of his mind and short of utter desperation from someone else, will never get what he wants because frankly, six years of rick nash (who everyone knows they HAVE to trade) at 7.8 mil doesn't have great trade value.
- OrangeBlack27


No clue why he hasn't been traded for Bobby Ryan yet.
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Jul 5 @ 12:54 PM ET
howson is completely out of his mind and short of utter desperation from someone else, will never get what he wants because frankly, six years of rick nash (who everyone knows they HAVE to trade) at 7.8 mil doesn't have great trade value.
- OrangeBlack27


Exactly. See: Luongo, LeCavalier, etc.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 5 @ 12:54 PM ET
Go worry about your own bag of bad apples would ya!?
- JoeRussomanno


rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Jul 5 @ 12:55 PM ET
No clue why he hasn't been traded for Bobby Ryan yet.
- bradleyc4


What are Nash's GF per 60 min?
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 5 @ 12:55 PM ET
People will not remember he is only 22. We already saw that with the JVR bashing. People were constantly complaining about JVR as if he was a 27 year old 8 year veteran.

Same will happen with Schenn because a vocal portion of the Flyers fans in this town are idiots.

- MBFlyerfan


out of curiosity, i took a peek at lad smid's numbers (since the pronger trades were being discussed) and it gives me hope for schenn. smid's numbers were absolutely dreadful (on an equally dreadful team) his first few years, but now he's turned himself into a damned fine stay-at-home second pair guy, who could probably be the defensive half of a top pair if he has someone decent alongside.
canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

Jul 5 @ 12:55 PM ET
Go worry about your own bag of bad apples would ya!?
- JoeRussomanno



It's nice to take a break from our own problems and make fun of others once and awhile. My grandma told me that a long time ago, she was NOT a nice lady.
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jul 5 @ 12:55 PM ET
What I love about Howson is that everyone says what he gets back for Nash will determine his professional future. That started 2 years ago, and in the meantime he has made that team way worse. Someone needs to take him and Feaster out back and put them out of their misery.
- canadianpenfan


Mr. Pitt and the best third line in hockey.

Still making that claim for next year?
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 5 @ 12:55 PM ET
No clue why he hasn't been traded for Bobby Ryan yet.
- bradleyc4


Probably because it will take Couturier, Cousins OR a #1, AND a #2

EDIT: Sorry, misread this thinking you meant why has Homer traded for Ryan yet.
canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

Jul 5 @ 12:57 PM ET
Mr. Pitt and the best third line in hockey.

Still making that claim for next year?

- Daman



Why are you asking me when our blogger said it. You really need to let go.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 5 @ 12:57 PM ET
It's nice to take a break from our own problems and make fun of others once and awhile. My grandma told me that a long time ago, she was NOT a nice lady.
- canadianpenfan

uh okay
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jul 5 @ 12:57 PM ET
They'll love him because he plays physical, Grossman makes mistakes too but that gets overlooked...
- JoeRussomanno


hes just afraid of him barreling into crosby or breaking malkins elbow with his head.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 5 @ 12:57 PM ET

- ob18

what?
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jul 5 @ 12:57 PM ET
What are Nash's GF per 60 min?
- rockychocbill


fu
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Jul 5 @ 12:58 PM ET
fu
- bradleyc4


Play a tile you bastard.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 5 @ 12:59 PM ET
hes just afraid of him barreling into crosby or breaking malkins elbow with his head.
- Philly1980

If he does that they'll have to give him the key to the city.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jul 5 @ 12:59 PM ET
Play a tile you bastard.
- rockychocbill


btw, it's higher than Bobby Ryan's.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 5 @ 1:00 PM ET
What are Nash's GF per 60 min?
- rockychocbill


semin's are the best of the three, considerably.
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Jul 5 @ 1:01 PM ET
btw, it's higher than Bobby Ryan's.
- bradleyc4


It better be. He's making almost $3M per more.
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Jul 5 @ 1:02 PM ET
semin's are the best of the three, considerably.
- OrangeBlack27


............and Semin can throw down too.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jul 5 @ 1:02 PM ET
It better be. He's making almost $3M per more.
- rockychocbill


And not afforded the luxury of playing with Getzlaf and Perry.
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