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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:23 PM ET
We have no idea where Weber wants to play. If he has his mind made up he only wants to play for Detroit, what is Nashville's options? What if Detroit isn't interested in trading for him? What does Nashville do?

The Flyers had the top offers out there for Suter, and Parise, and struck out on both guys. Why? What one player considers a contending team, another may not.

- PLindbergh31


Does he has his mind made up that he only wants to play for Detroit? Again, I'll ask you, what has Weber said he wants?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 5 @ 9:24 PM ET
The author is an idiot. He says another team can sign Weber to an Offer Sheet, and the Preds match, they can't trade him. And then Weber can walk away as a Free Agent, at the end of the year. What is the Offer Sheet going to be for a one year deal?
- MJL


Well, he is correct about not being allowed to trade him for one calendar year if the Preds match. Nothing else is correct though. No NHL team is going to risk 4 1st rounders to sign Weber to a one year offer sheet and then have him hit UFA.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:25 PM ET
Couldnt Weber just give a "list" like Nash did? Seems simple to me. I will only resign long-term at X,Y, or Z. Limits the market and gives him some control, not that Nashville has to honor that or anything, but I doubt other teams would throw the kitchen sink without being on the list no?
- aosplayo


No, Nash has a NMC, that's why there is a list. Weber will not have any movement clauses if he signs a one year deal with Nashville.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:27 PM ET
i believe I do. From the Flyers perspective it appears to me that they want to maximize the cap at the start of the season and save the LTIR for Pronger for a deal at the deadline or when an opportunity presents itself.
- jstross


That's the point I was making. You can't save LTIR Cap space. You cannot bank LTIR Cap space.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:27 PM ET
No, Nash has a NMC, that's why there is a list. Weber will not have any movement clauses if he signs a one year deal with Nashville.
- MJL


Even then he couldn't since it's another restricted year, correct?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:28 PM ET
He said he had zero interest in playing in the East. Conference, and turned down more money. I'm pretty sure I know what he would have done.
- PLindbergh31


And you, a fan, knew that. What has Weber said he wants?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 5 @ 9:29 PM ET
Even then he couldn't since it's another restricted year, correct?
- ob18


He's only restricted this summer. If he signs a one year deal, he's UFA next summer and NTC/NMC eligible
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 5 @ 9:29 PM ET
Well, he is correct about not being allowed to trade him for one calendar year if the Preds match. Nothing else is correct though. No NHL team is going to risk 4 1st rounders to sign Weber to a one year offer sheet and then have him hit UFA.
- Jsaquella


Which is the point I'm making. No team is going to give up a Kings ransom for one year of Weber, or half of year if he's traded at the deadline.

Weber may already know where he wants to play, and if that team knows that, they won't trade for him, they will simply wait for him to become a free agent and sign him without gutting their franchise.
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 5 @ 9:30 PM ET
No, Nash has a NMC, that's why there is a list. Weber will not have any movement clauses if he signs a one year deal with Nashville.
- MJL




No I know he has a NMC, but if Webers agent floats it out there that he would only resign with certain teams, then why would anyone not on that list bother trying to get him, thus giving him some manipulation in the matter..........sorry if I wasn't clear, I know he can't dictate an official list like Nash, but word of mouth can be a powerful tool.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:30 PM ET
He's only restricted this summer. If he signs a one year deal, he's UFA next summer and NTC/NMC eligible
- Jsaquella


That's what I mean he can't get that in a contract until restricted years are all completed.

He'll get it in the next contract, Nashville has to pick a time to try and get a deal done or move him so they don't lose him for nothing too.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:32 PM ET
No I know he has a NMC, but if Webers agent floats it out there that he would only resign with certain teams, then why would anyone not on that list bother trying to get him, thus giving him some manipulation in the matter..........sorry if I wasn't clear, I know he can't dictate an official list like Nash, but word of mouth can be a powerful tool.
- aosplayo


Weber's agent can't technically be talking to other team's about Weber without Nashville's permission. Weber's agent would be risking de-certification if he was caught doing so. It's unethical.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:33 PM ET
So we feel Jake & Gus straight up is enough for Ryan?
- puckhead17

That's a bad move IMO
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jul 5 @ 9:33 PM ET
Well at least it looks like Weber doesn't appear to have a meddling wife to worry about in negotiations. Hopefully there's no fiancee either
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 5 @ 9:33 PM ET
And you, a fan, knew that. What has Weber said he wants?
- MJL


Not to mention, a team that trades for Weber will be significantly weakening their franchise by trading a boatload of assets for him, if he signs somewhere as a Free Agent, he would likely be in a better position to win with a more capable core around him.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 5 @ 9:34 PM ET
Which is the point I'm making. No team is going to give up a Kings ransom for one year of Weber, or half of year if he's traded at the deadline.

Weber may already know where he wants to play, and if that team knows that, they won't trade for him, they will simply wait for him to become a free agent and sign him without gutting their franchise.

- PLindbergh31


It's real possible, but to my knowledge Weber hasn't said that he's only interested in one place, just that he wants to be on a contender.

Personally, if I'm trading what it'd take to get Weber, I'm telling Poile that I want to hammer out a new deal before the trade is completed.

ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:34 PM ET
Well at least it looks like Weber doesn't appear to have a meddling wife to worry about in negotiations. Hopefully there's no fiancee either
- eayost


That's a low blow, when you are a player you factor in everything when making a choice. That's part of the deal.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 5 @ 9:35 PM ET
Well at least it looks like Weber doesn't appear to have a meddling wife to worry about in negotiations. Hopefully there's no fiancee either
- eayost


I think that Suter and Parise planned to go to Minnesota all along. I don't buy that fiance crap. They were gonna sign in Minnesota all along, they just played the dog and pony show to drive up the prices.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 5 @ 9:35 PM ET
That's what I mean he can't get that in a contract until restricted years are all completed.

He'll get it in the next contract, Nashville has to pick a time to try and get a deal done or move him so they don't lose him for nothing too.

- ob18



His agent has already stated that "Weber is shocked that Suter left"

as well as "Weber is in no hurry to resign right now"

Please make your first bid
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 5 @ 9:36 PM ET
I think that Suter and Parise planned to go to Minnesota all along. I don't buy that fiance crap. They were gonna sign in Minnesota all along, they just played the dog and pony show to drive up the prices.
- Jsaquella



Totally agreed!!
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 5 @ 9:36 PM ET
Well at least it looks like Weber doesn't appear to have a meddling wife to worry about in negotiations. Hopefully there's no fiancee either
- eayost


If he does the flyers can start negotiations with king of Prussia mall
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jul 5 @ 9:36 PM ET
Which is the point I'm making. No team is going to give up a Kings ransom for one year of Weber, or half of year if he's traded at the deadline.

Weber may already know where he wants to play, and if that team knows that, they won't trade for him, they will simply wait for him to become a free agent and sign him without gutting their franchise.

- PLindbergh31


So what about the flipside. What if he doesn't know where he wants to play? You think in that case, if Detroit shows him how bad they want him by trading for him, then offers a 10Y $100M contract, he'd be pretty enticed to sign it? "Here it is Shea, a whole year before you expected to get this in the mail. If you don't sign it, hope you don't have a career ending injury before the year is up." It'd be pretty risky to not sign it.
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 5 @ 9:37 PM ET
Weber's agent can't technically be talking to other team's about Weber without Nashville's permission. Weber's agent would be risking de-certification if he was caught doing so. It's unethical.
- MJL





Ok, that's true, however we would be naive to think that sports teams and agents don't speak to each other. Heck, Weber could just put it on twitter, problem solved.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:37 PM ET
Not to mention, a team that trades for Weber will be significantly weakening their franchise by trading a boatload of assets for him, if he signs somewhere as a Free Agent, he would likely be in a better position to win with a more capable core around him.
- PLindbergh31


Teams like the Flyers have the depth to give up in a trade. In my opinion, if the Flyers were to trade for Weber, the odds are very high of him signing a multi year deal to stay in Philly.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 5 @ 9:37 PM ET
His agent has already stated that "Weber is shocked that Suter left"

as well as "Weber is in no hurry to resign right now"

Please make your first bid

- puckhead17


I don't think he's in a hurry because he has the control if he doesn't want more then a 1 year deal right now he won't sign anything more.

That's why Nashville has to pick a date before camp begins to move him so they get something in return or at least more then they'd get at the TDL when only so many teams would be able to fit him under the cap at that time.
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jul 5 @ 9:38 PM ET
That's a low blow, when you are a player you factor in everything when making a choice. That's part of the deal.
- ob18


Why so serious?
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