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OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 5 @ 10:09 AM ET
As is it now -- and there is still time and cap space to improve things -- the Flyers have lost offensive pop (Jagr, JVR, Carle), taken what would presently be considered a sideways steps defensively (Schenn vs Carle) and may have also weakened the backup goalie spot (Bob vs. Leighton).

But let's see what they do now.

- bmeltzer


if schenn plays like he did last year, definitely step down schenn v carle. if he plays like he did in '11, we should be alright.

also, bob stopped shots at an .899 clip last year. not like the backup g production could get worse.

edit: right?
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jul 5 @ 10:09 AM ET
At best, +/- is a flawed stat. Semin is soft, doesn't play hard every night and has a rep as being uncooperative and moody. No, thanks.
- Jsaquella


Outside of "doesn't play hard every night", that basically describes Jagr.

Based on supply and demand, Semin will likely get a substantial offer. But otherwise, I'd be all in.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 5 @ 10:10 AM ET
It's interesting to me how most people are seeming this offseason either a failure or an unsuccessful one. It baffles me.

First off, we DIDN'T overpay for ANYONE. When's the last time that happened?? Everyone here knows that if the Flyers had signed one of Suter or Parise to a 13/98 contract we would be irate. For all the times people itchbay and moan about this team spending too much money and mismanaging the cap and salaries, I find it fascinating that people are grilling Homer for not spending money or overpaying someone

Secondly, we still have this young and talented core. I've been preaching about it since the end of the season. This team is going to be fun to watch as they gain experience. All we have to do is just that- watch them play together. Not blow everything up for Nash, Ryan, etc.

Finally, I offer a question open to all, including Bill: Who was available within the FA pool this year that was a clear stop gap for the holes in this team? Did anyone provide exceptional puck moving skills on the blue line? Is there anyone that could have been deemed the number one defensman for this team? Were there wingers with tremendous two way talent to sign to a contract less than 98 million dollars?

Since I answer no to these questions, I see free agency as a time that Homer could not have made this team better enough to go hard after anyone. I think its the right move to stand pat. That being said, Doan at a 3 year deal would definitely be nice.

- Giroux_Is_God[/img]


Didn't overpay for a Free Agent as of yet. Which is a good thing. Holmgren is sitting there with a good amount of cap space burning a hole in his pocket and very few, if any free agents worthy of being signed.

I'm slightly concerned Holmgren is itching to make a splash, and does something shortsighted via trade.
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jul 5 @ 10:10 AM ET
quick question guys....

If we cant get Ryan at a reasonable price would you start Briere on Giroux's Wing

Hartnell-G-Briere
Simmonds-Schenn-Voracek
Read-Coots-wellwood
??? - Talbot- ???

Timmo -Schenn
Mezz - Gross
Coburn-MAB

Not too shabby

- Philly1980


I would do this:

Hartnell - Giroux - Read
Wellwood - Briere - Voracek
Schenn - Coots - Simmonds
Sestito - Talbot - Rinaldo

can't break up Grossmann and Coburn

Grossmann - Coburn
Timonen - Schenn
Meszaros - Gus

I'd like to get a winger to help out -- but maybe not Ryan because it'll cost two forwards and a defensemen. They should sign Doan (but he'll want Jagr money) and maybe get defensemen somewhere just for injury concerns....

Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 5 @ 10:10 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Carle, Next steps, Prospect camp
- bmeltzer



well we do have ONE good d man from tampa ...


Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 5 @ 10:11 AM ET
Outside of "doesn't play hard every night", that basically describes Jagr.

Based on supply and demand, Semin will likely get a substantial offer. But otherwise, I'd be all in.

- bradleyc4



He'd be in Lavi's dog house faster than you can say "Zherdev".
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 5 @ 10:11 AM ET


Yes please!

- PLindbergh31


perry is the best winger in the league.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 5 @ 10:12 AM ET
He'd be in Lavi's dog house faster than you can say "Zherdev".
- Tomahawk


mostly undeserved reputation based mostly on his home country. he played balls out for hunter this past year.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 5 @ 10:12 AM ET
I would do this:

Hartnell - Giroux - Read
Wellwood - Briere - Voracek
Schenn - Coots - Simmonds
Sestito - Talbot - Rinaldo

can't break up Grossmann and Coburn

Grossmann - Coburn
Timonen - Schenn
Meszaros - Gus

- flyersfan51


I would flip flop Schenn and Wellwood, also having Sestito and Rinaldo is somewhat redundant. They are the same player only difference is their size. Talbot deserves better than playing with two guys with cement hands.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 5 @ 10:12 AM ET
perry is the best winger in the league.
- OrangeBlack27


Ovie, Hossa, and Kovalchuck say hello.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 5 @ 10:13 AM ET
perry is the best winger in the league.
- OrangeBlack27


He's very good, very good. Best in the League? I don't know I would go that far. Top 5ish imo.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 5 @ 10:13 AM ET
I see that. But looking at the crazy deals for both money and term given out to Parise and Suter. A 6 year deal isn't so bad for a quality player. The insanity is far less in that deal if you know what I'm trying to say.
- MJL


It's not an insane deal, but I'd rather have the cap room to pursue other players long term.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 5 @ 10:13 AM ET
mostly undeserved reputation based mostly on his home country. he played inconsistent for hunter this past year.
- OrangeBlack27


FIFY

And his agent even whined about Hunter's style at the end of the year. Semin wasn't pleased with his role or coach at all.
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jul 5 @ 10:14 AM ET
I would flip flop Schenn and Wellwood, also having Sestito and Rinaldo is somewhat redundant. They are the same player only difference is their size. Talbot deserves better than playing with two guys with cement hands.
- PLindbergh31


yeah that's true, maybe Harry Z?? he's not too bad.

I like Schenn and Simmonds together, but I could see Schenn with Briere.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 5 @ 10:14 AM ET
It's not an insane deal, but I'd rather have the cap room to pursue other players long term.
- Jsaquella


Yes, but now you're forced to deal assets to upgrade the roster. There are no impact FA's left unless Doan decides to leave, which is highly unlikely.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 5 @ 10:15 AM ET
perry is the best winger in the league.
- OrangeBlack27



concusser of giroux can keep his elbows in cally
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 5 @ 10:15 AM ET
Expecting Timonen to play a full season at his age, coming of an assortment of injuries is very unrealistic imo.
- PLindbergh31


he does it every year, though. hoping coburn (and mesz to some extent) take some of his minutes this year.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 5 @ 10:15 AM ET
yeah that's true, maybe Harry Z?? he's not too bad.

I like Schenn and Simmonds together, but I could see Schenn with Briere.

- flyersfan51


meh... Harry Z is a minor league player I think.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 5 @ 10:16 AM ET
mostly undeserved reputation based mostly on his home country. he played balls out for hunter this past year.
- OrangeBlack27


?

He was a healthy scratch under both Boudreau and Hunter at times this year.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 5 @ 10:16 AM ET
Yes, but now you're forced to deal assets to upgrade the roster. There are no impact FA's left unless Doan decides to leave, which is highly unlikely.
- LordStanley88


There's free agency next summer, too. And if the new CBA does have an amnesty clause, there'll be another FA period this summer.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 5 @ 10:16 AM ET
he does it every year, though. hoping coburn (and mesz to some extent) take some of his minutes this year.
- OrangeBlack27


Yes. His minutes have to be somewhat limited. I would certainly cut down on his PK minutes.
12,9 and 22
Joined: 01.02.2010

Jul 5 @ 10:16 AM ET
mostly undeserved reputation based mostly on his home country. he played balls out for hunter this past year.
- OrangeBlack27

Good point. There is definately a different standard for europeans especially russians.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 5 @ 10:16 AM ET
mostly undeserved reputation based mostly on his home country. he played balls out for hunter this past year.
- OrangeBlack27

We need a guest blog from Dmitry Chesnokov.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jul 5 @ 10:17 AM ET
Ovie, Hossa, and Kovalchuck say hello.
- LordStanley88


Best 2-way winger in the league.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 5 @ 10:17 AM ET
Ovie, Hossa, and Kovalchuck say hello.
- LordStanley88


Sup.

Corey Perry is the best winger in the league.
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