I do not believe the Flyers will be able to land Weber as a UFA and it will be horrific if they traded a great deal of young assets now just to have him for one year and watch him sign with Vancouver or Detroit in the summer of 2013.

Bill has touched on this before and I think it would be a better idea to look at acquiring Enstrom during the season if Winnipeg is out of the race. The package would not be anything near what is required to trade for Weber and you have a better chance of resigning him before he hits UFA. There would be cap space and I believe no tagging issues so they wouldn't let what happen to Carle- happen to Enstrom.

The only way he goes to Philli is if the Flyers hire a new coach. He does not like Sneaky Pete and would never play for them. Look at the exchange they had after the game in Nashville. Weber had to be restrained, and after the game he said he had no respect for the way the Flyers are coached.
- JPlatt915

Flyers' offer will include stipulation that Weber will also become the coach if he signs

poile owes us, we gave him a draft pick and ryan parent back for hamhuis trade rights
- mydoglicks

A few seasons ago, it was rumored that RJ Umberger and a 3rd rd ? was going to Nashville for Ryan Suter.

He's not committing at this point to anyone out loud, why would he?
He's earned the right to the "UFA circus show", and he will do just that.
Not publicly stating he wont sign, "but no hurry to do so" is the same thing, results wise
- puckhead17

Then no, I don't give up a huge package for him. I'll just wait and buy my ticket for the circus along with everybody else after the years over.

I can't see Poile not giving Weber's agent the right to negotiate with other teams before and during the year if it means a nice return for the Preds. Letting Weber just walk away would be disastrous for both Poile and the franchise.

And what would be more distracting? Talking to other teams during the season about a trade or allowing your best player to play out the year knowing full well he'll most likely won't be back?

Remember, it is expected the new CBA will place limits on contract term. So, $98m for 13 years will be available this year, probably not available next year. Under those circumstances you have to assume that both Nashville and Suter will find a way to do this year what may not happen next year, including the possibility of a trade that meets Nasville's need and gets Weber's approval.
- spatso

It's "expected" in relation to the contract terms, but so is an amnesty clause, & a few other things, I don't think anyone knows what will be reality at this point.
Limiting contractnterms will be a win for the owners that actually compete against each other, and will the union be "easy" in giving up something like that, having Donald Fehr at the helm?

Then no, I don't give up a huge package for him. I'll just wait and buy my ticket for the circus along with everybody else after the years over.

I can't see Poile not giving Weber's agent the right to negotiate with other teams before and during the year if it means a nice return for the Preds. Letting Weber just walk away would be disastrous for both Poile and the franchise.

And what would be more distracting? Talking to other teams during the season about a trade or allowing your best player to play out the year knowing full well he'll most likely won't be back?
- 77rams

I agree, but it's unlike anything we've seen done.
Either way is a huge distraction to all the players, fans etc,
.

Flyers' offer will include stipulation that Weber will also become the coach if he signs
- Crimsoninja

Weber and Giroux 2023

Then no, I don't give up a huge package for him. I'll just wait and buy my ticket for the circus along with everybody else after the years over.

I can't see Poile not giving Weber's agent the right to negotiate with other teams before and during the year if it means a nice return for the Preds. Letting Weber just walk away would be disastrous for both Poile and the franchise.

And what would be more distracting? Talking to other teams during the season about a trade or allowing your best player to play out the year knowing full well he'll most likely won't be back?
- 77rams

Maybe that's Columbus's rational for demanding the moon for Nash, some can consider him as a forward equal to Weber at D (maybe not, as Weber is considered the best), but any deal for him is a lock he's not leaving your team for 6 years, which can increase the value of a player for how long you have him.

I agree, but it's unlike anything we've seen done.
Either way is a huge distraction to all the players, fans etc,
.
- puckhead17

DIstraction!? this is the 2 second attention span days wtf are you talking about?

DIstraction!? this is the 2 second attention span days wtf are you talking about?
- JoeRussomanno

That took me more than 2 seconds to understand myself

That took me more than 2 seconds to understand myself


- puckhead17

eh you're a generation ahead so I can understand

eh you're a generation ahead so I can understand
- JoeRussomanno

Wow that was a blow!!!!!!!!

Crotch shot if I ever...........

Rick Flair to you

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Wow that was a blow!!!!!!!!

Crotch shot if I ever...........

Rick Flair to you

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
- puckhead17

I'll see your Rick Flair and raise you a Bruno Sammartino BOOM!!!

It's "expected" in relation to the contract terms, but so is an amnesty clause, & a few other things, I don't think anyone knows what will be reality at this point.
Limiting contractnterms will be a win for the owners that actually compete against each other, and will the union be "easy" in giving up something like that, having Donald Fehr at the helm?
- puckhead17

It is because of the amnesty provision that it is highly desirable for Weber to do the big deal this year. A deal done next year will be subject to the new rules. Weber will push for it to be done this year.

I'll see your Rick Flair and raise you a Bruno Sammartino BOOM!!!

- JoeRussomanno

Man that's ugly!

eh you're a generation ahead so I can understand
- JoeRussomanno

Thankfully, I still have all my hair & can still see my ball$, so it's not so bad

I'd want the ability to talk to Weber if I'm giving up a huge package.

I also wonder how willing Weber would be to negotiate a new deal being that the new CBA could possibly eliminate the Hossa/Kovalchuk/Parise/Suter megadeals.

I mean, he's certain to get a huge deal regardless of when he signs, but it could be potentially richer under the current CBA
- Jsaquella

Depends on what he's looking for if he wants a 10 plus year deal he'd want it now, if not he can just wait.

Man that's ugly!
- puckhead17

It is because of the amnesty provision that it is highly desirable for Weber to do the big deal this year. A deal done next year will be subject to the new rules. Weber will push for it to be done this year.
- spatso

Guess as long as they don't force the cap $ down he'll still be among the leagues top paid.

It is far from a slam-dunk that the new CBA will eliminate those ultra-long-term deals entirely. What 's more likely is that the league and NHLPA will agree to set a steeper bar for the percentage that a player's salary can drop off in the latter seasons to somewhat reduce the year-to-year cap hit. In turn, that would reduce the incentive for teams to offer such deals.

In Weber's case, teams might bite the bullet on a bigger cap hit over the long-term deal anyway, because he wouldn't be on an over-35 contract.

It is far from a slam-dunk that the new CBA will eliminate those ultra-long-term deals entirely. What 's more likely is that the league and NHLPA will agree to set a steeper bar for the percentage that a player's salary can drop off in the latter seasons to somewhat reduce the year-to-year cap hit. In turn, that would reduce the incentive for teams to offer such deals.

In Weber's case, teams might bite the bullet on a bigger cap hit over the long-term deal anyway, because he wouldn't be on an over-35 contract.
- bmeltzer

Good to know, I just won't offer the farm for him. I'd rather tweak & build off the young kids we have now.

It is far from a slam-dunk that the new CBA will eliminate those ultra-long-term deals entirely. What 's more likely is that the league and NHLPA will agree to set a steeper bar for the percentage that a player's salary can drop off in the latter seasons to somewhat reduce the year-to-year cap hit. In turn, that would reduce the incentive for teams to offer such deals.

In Weber's case, teams might bite the bullet on a bigger cap hit over the long-term deal anyway, because he wouldn't be on an over-35 contract.
- bmeltzer

which is technically the way it was planned, and should still be, if a team already has 3 top stars the cap is to make it difficult to "hoard" a few more, and spread wealth, hence the parity is created

Give Weber a 1 year offer sheet of 10 million, knowing it will be matched......just give him a taste of the piles of cash that we're willing to throw at him......

Give Weber a 1 year offer sheet of 10 million, knowing it will be matched......just give him a taste of the piles of cash that we're willing to throw at him......
- aosplayo

Nobody will do that, it's not worth the risk of losing 4 1st round picks.

I'm not willing to rip the team apart for Weber. I would be willing to trade Voracek and 3 or 4 1st rounders. If Nashville wants Schenn, G, Couturier I rather look at other options.