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TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 7 @ 1:17 PM ET
wow you'd make a lousy prosecutor, just want you to know that.
- JoeRussomanno


But we're not trying to prove this in the court of law. Burden of proof is much much lower in the court of popular opinion

Seriously, though, if you don't believe me try to google some player interviews from March. Or reach out to Bill or any of the local beatwriters to get their opinion on what was said and the intent behind it.

It's not even my argument, but I do agree with aso that there may be a perception among players about Bryz ability to win a championship.

An analogy. Whether Carter and Richards really had a coke problem or not is debatable. But obviously word got out to players as evidenced by the Canucks players (i think) pretending to snort coke to Richards in the playoffs.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 7 @ 1:19 PM ET
60 inch & no HD?, (thats a first that I heard, usually a screen that big will have HD)

I'm wishing my (5 year old), 40 inch sony will die so I can upgrade, can't until it's dead.

But I agree with you, the HD makes it that I don't miss it going to the game as much either, but a few games a year is still ok. Just not as often.

- puckhead17

Dude my parents grew up with black and white hell I think my dad said he didn't have a tv in the house until he was like 6 or 7. Giving them HD would be like handing me a flying saucer
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 7 @ 1:22 PM ET
Dude my parents grew up with black and white hell I think my dad said he didn't have a tv in the house until he was like 6 or 7. Giving them HD would be like handing me a flying saucer
- JoeRussomanno



so your parents are like my age? KIDDING

Age aside, anyone who loves sports alone would have a "semin" when they see the difference
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 7 @ 1:23 PM ET
u won't miss going to games as much trust me.
- JoeRussomanno

I get to watch a number of games in HD, too. There's still no beating being at the game. There so much more going on, the TV camera just can't catch everything. Behind the play, on the benches, in the penalty box, the crowd, there's so much more going on than even the impressive 2,073,600 glorious pixels of HD television can represent.

That said, I'm quite content to watch most games on television.
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 7 @ 1:26 PM ET
source? links?
- bigmookalookie



OK, you guys suck for making me actually work to find this

http://www.csnphilly.com/...blockID=663672&feedID=704
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 7 @ 1:29 PM ET
OK, you guys suck for making me actually work to find this

http://www.csnphilly.com/...blockID=663672&feedID=704

- TheGreat28



wow
how about the line "if he wants the guys to continue to play hard for him, be a better teammate"

I thought that stuff didn't exist among pro's?
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 7 @ 1:31 PM ET
But they'll "match any offer" I thought? I understand theres a gamesmanship to the whole thing, but that hasn't gotten us any cups!
- aosplayo


They say they will but you think that would be enough for them not to match it, I don't
2731color
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.17.2007

Jul 7 @ 1:33 PM ET
It's a language thing with Bryz a bit and unfortunately he got his stock answers mixed up. After a 45 save shutout and basically winning the game singlehandedly Bryz is supposed to deflect credit and say to the press "Guys, it's a team game". But he got confused, after one of his several poor outings, when questioned by the media, he said "Guys, it's a team game". So he really didn't mean to sound like he was throwing his team under the bus, he merely used response#2 instead of response #3. I suspect that with another summer of memorization, Bryz will be fielding reporters' questions as if they were blue line wrist shots.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 7 @ 1:33 PM ET
But we're not trying to prove this in the court of law. Burden of proof is much much lower in the court of popular opinion

Seriously, though, if you don't believe me try to google some player interviews from March. Or reach out to Bill or any of the local beatwriters to get their opinion on what was said and the intent behind it.

It's not even my argument, but I do agree with aso that there may be a perception among players about Bryz ability to win a championship.

An analogy. Whether Carter and Richards really had a coke problem or not is debatable. But obviously word got out to players as evidenced by the Canucks players (i think) pretending to snort coke to Richards in the playoffs.

- TheGreat28

I reach out to bill everyday, I read his blog, you should try it sometime. Here's the link to where he actually wrote in length about Bryzgalov. http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=45082

I don't see much of anything about his work ethic other than mentioning his dissagreement with Reese's style. That is not saying he lacks work ethic, which according to you is the reason,for the locker room talks. If anything after reading that I am only reinforced with the notion that the Locker room talks were geared toward his handling of the media. A far cry from work ethic but apparently how a player handles the media is how good they are according to some of the General Managers that post anonymously on hockeybuzz.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 7 @ 1:35 PM ET
It's a language thing with Bryz a bit and unfortunately he got his stock answers mixed up. After a 45 save shutout and basically winning the game singlehandedly Bryz is supposed to deflect credit and say to the press "Guys, it's a team game". But he got confused, after one of his several poor outings, when questioned by the media, he said "Guys, it's a team game". So he really didn't mean to sound like he was throwing his team under the bus, he merely used response#2 instead of response #3. I suspect that with another summer of memorization, Bryz will be fielding reporters' questions as if they were blue line wrist shots.
- 2731color


Bryzorization
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 7 @ 1:36 PM ET
It's a language thing with Bryz a bit and unfortunately he got his stock answers mixed up. After a 45 save shutout and basically winning the game singlehandedly Bryz is supposed to deflect credit and say to the press "Guys, it's a team game". But he got confused, after one of his several poor outings, when questioned by the media, he said "Guys, it's a team game". So he really didn't mean to sound like he was throwing his team under the bus, he merely used response#2 instead of response #3. I suspect that with another summer of memorization, Bryz will be fielding reporters' questions as if they were blue line wrist shots.
- 2731color


I completely agree. I'm married to a native Chinese woman and the differences in how North Americans handle certain things and other cultures is completely different.

And really, I'm not trying to bash Bryz at all. I really really want him to succeed here.

I was just agreeing with aos that there might be a negative perception about his ability to win a cup, and it might affect some players decision to sign here or not. Might being the key word.
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 7 @ 1:37 PM ET
Bryzorization
- puckhead17


Bryzbonics
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 7 @ 1:39 PM ET
Bryzbonics
- TheGreat28



Yes
better yet!
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 7 @ 1:39 PM ET
Bryzbonics
- TheGreat28


Byrzonomics
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 7 @ 1:40 PM ET
Byrzonomics
- ob18

JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 7 @ 1:40 PM ET
OK, you guys suck for making me actually work to find this

http://www.csnphilly.com/...blockID=663672&feedID=704

- TheGreat28

you should have tried reading it too. All it says in there is about how he needs to handle the media not how he needs to work harder i.e work ethic.
To summarize
From the get-go, both goalie coach Jeff Reese and general manager Paul Holmgren have said that Bryz’s biggest problem has been adjusting the every-day media scrutiny here and living up to his nine-year, $51 million contract.

also here's a clip that should enlighten you to the level of seriousness to take some of these stories. Infer what you want afterwards about the quality of reporting being provided cough TMZ


Edit: read this too because evidently somethings were taken out of context with those original statments

http://articles.philly.co...-laviolette-claude-giroux
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 7 @ 1:42 PM ET
Bryzbonics
- TheGreat28






GEEEEEEEZ cut me sum slak gize pleeeze
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 7 @ 1:43 PM ET
you should have tried reading it too. All it says in there is about how he needs to handle the media not how he needs to work harder i.e work ethic.
To summarize
From the get-go, both goalie coach Jeff Reese and general manager Paul Holmgren have said that Bryz’s biggest problem has been adjusting the every-day media scrutiny here and living up to his nine-year, $51 million contract.

also here's a clip that should enlighten you to the level of seriousness to take some of these stories. Infer what you want afterwards about the quality of reporting being provided cough TMZ

- JoeRussomanno


not as good as Torts & the NY post guy Brooks but still good!
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 7 @ 1:45 PM ET
not as good as Torts & the NY post guy Brooks but still good!
- puckhead17

might as well try telling me bat-people exist then post this as your source
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 7 @ 1:45 PM ET
you should have tried reading it too. All it says in there is about how he needs to handle the media not how he needs to work harder i.e work ethic.
To summarize
From the get-go, both goalie coach Jeff Reese and general manager Paul Holmgren have said that Bryz’s biggest problem has been adjusting the every-day media scrutiny here and living up to his nine-year, $51 million contract.

also here's a clip that should enlighten you to the level of seriousness to take some of these stories. Infer what you want afterwards about the quality of reporting being provided cough TMZ





seriously, if it were legal, Clarke would "kharlamov" his ankle!!

Edit: read this too because evidently somethings were taken out of context with those original statments

http://articles.philly.co...-laviolette-claude-giroux

- JoeRussomanno

puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 7 @ 1:47 PM ET
might as well try telling me bat-people exist then post this as your source

- JoeRussomanno



I see that guy in the camden jail everyday.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 7 @ 1:48 PM ET
I see that guy in the camden jail everyday.
- puckhead17

he's just a meth user not genetically a bat-person
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 7 @ 1:50 PM ET
I reach out to bill everyday, I read his blog, you should try it sometime. Here's the link to where he actually wrote in length about Bryzgalov. http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=45082

I don't see much of anything about his work ethic other than mentioning his dissagreement with Reese's style. That is not saying he lacks work ethic, which according to you is the reason,for the locker room talks. If anything after reading that I am only reinforced with the notion that the Locker room talks were geared toward his handling of the media. A far cry from work ethic but apparently how a player handles the media is how good they are according to some of the General Managers that post anonymously on hockeybuzz.

- JoeRussomanno


I read the blog. This completely substantiates my position. From the blog:

"At any rate, there appears to be a negative perception of Bryzgalov as a teammate by many players around the league."

"At any rate, there appears to be a negative perception of Bryzgalov as a teammate by many players around the league."

"More recently, Nashville Predators forward Martin Erat gave a rather bizarre interview in which he understandably praised teammate Pekka Rinne but also specifically singled out Bryzgalov as a goalie whom he would have difficulty feeling confidence in as a teammate."

Read the above and the article I linked. The whole discussion is about the potential, again...potential....that a negative perception of Bryz would hinder a FA coming here. I made the statement that Flyers players specifically spoke to him and then subsequently commented in such a way that illustrated the nature of those talks...be a better teammate, work harder, don't talk about yourself...focus on the team, etc.

I think I've proved that.

Defense rests.

And seriously Joe, I'm not trying to make it a personal argument. Just a debate on a position.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 7 @ 1:53 PM ET
he's just a meth user not genetically a bat-person
- JoeRussomanno



That's his "where my commissary at bitc&" face

JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 7 @ 1:54 PM ET
I read the blog. This completely substantiates my position. From the blog:

"At any rate, there appears to be a negative perception of Bryzgalov as a teammate by many players around the league."

"At any rate, there appears to be a negative perception of Bryzgalov as a teammate by many players around the league."

"More recently, Nashville Predators forward Martin Erat gave a rather bizarre interview in which he understandably praised teammate Pekka Rinne but also specifically singled out Bryzgalov as a goalie whom he would have difficulty feeling confidence in as a teammate."

Read the above and the article I linked. The whole discussion is about the potential, again...potential....that a negative perception of Bryz would hinder a FA coming here. I made the statement that Flyers players specifically spoke to him and then subsequently commented in such a way that illustrated the nature of those talks...be a better teammate, work harder, don't talk about yourself...focus on the team, etc.

I think I've proved that.

Defense rests.

And seriously Joe, I'm not trying to make it a personal argument. Just a debate on a position.

- TheGreat28

YEa and Scotty Hartnell tells Dion Phaneuf to suck it. But I guess since those two don't like each other they'd never play on the same team either.

also no where in there says he lacks work ethic. Show me where something credible i.e a teammate, coach, towel boy etc. says his work ethic is lacking.
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