Let me clarify, I'm not saying not to go for it. But I would not throw Sharp in there. Perhaps Bolland or Kruger, and throw the other at 3C.

Yes, Hammer is expendable, but to an extent. I would be all for trading for Stastny, but at the right price. Trading Sharp for him would not be the answer, because you are trading away 30/70 points, all while now having to scramble to find 2 people at Left Wing for the top two lines (assuming you have some combination of Hossa, Toews, Stastny, Kane at center/right wing). You are left with the same issue as currently stands with putting Kane at center and keeping Sharp at 1RW while downgrading at the position, minus faceoffs.

With Hammer, you have to be guaranteed that you fill up what you lose by shipping him off in FA, and with Bowman's current acts, that looks like a stretch. He's the one guy in the current core that can take pressure off of Keith with his ability to log a good chunk of minutes, AND clogs the slot by blocking shots.

In summary, you can deal a decent forward and Hammer for Stastny, but not Sharp.
- 1goalLordStanley

Define expendable. If you're talking about trust factor and minutes logged, it might be hard to replace him. If you're talking about production (blocked shots, points, etc) then I think he could be replaced for less. Just have to ask yourself if Scott Hannan or a Brett Clark are worthy of 15-20 minutes per night.

Nothing here.

Vlasic just re-upped with San Jose. 5 years, $4.2 million per.

Wolski signed with Washington. 1 year, $600,000.

That's all that's happened today.
- EKolb13

If Wolski gets his head out of his rear-end and realizes his potential, this could be the steal of the offseason. If he ends up getting top-6 minutes with this team, he could fall a$$ backwards into 50-60pts.

Yep about 6 teams which means to me the Hawks have about a 20% chance which is better than some.

I have feeling the reason Hawks don't get Doan will be simply summed up as he wanted to play in Canada or close to home.
- Al

And if the Hawks do not sign Doan I will be disappointed, but not angry.

The man has options and the money will likely be comparable from all interested clubs. Intangibles will come into play...

Well, nobody uses Corsi alone for anything. It is always used as an inference to puck possession and usually combined with zone starts and quality of competition. Those three together tend to be one of the graphs that people look at. At least for evaluating individual players.

Here are the player evaluations for last season:

https://sites.google.com/...011-12.pdf?attredirects=1

It uses Corsi on a QoC/Zone Start graph. I think you can find pretty useful information from it. And when talking about Sharp, these graphs can really demonstrate how the coach actually uses a particular player. Again really supporting the position of Sharp being a primarily offensive player.

I haven't really seen anyone try to use Team Corsi as a standalone stat for anything. That is similar to +/- differential. Interesting but otherwise?

As for the advanced stats people, most don't tend to try and predict winners. But I don't see how any stats guys would have had Boston anywhere but as one of the favorites the year they won the Cup.
- DaleHalas

They would have been far from a team favorite if based on team Corsi ratings from that season. That was my point and it still stands.

1 San Jose Sharks +505

2[Detroit Red Wings +469

3 Chicago Blackhawks +403

4 Pittsburgh Penguins +378

6 Vancouver Canucks +317

8 Tampa Bay Lightning +252

11 Montreal Canadiens +192

12 Washington Capitals +172

14 Boston Bruins +107

There would eight playoff teams with a better rating so in my book using Corsi for a team stat, which is all I was referring to, makes the Bruins anythng but a favorite.

Enough for me on the 2011 Cup and Corsi...Have a nice night.

Boston gave up holotta shots on goal per game, meaning they allowed a lot of shots to be directed at the goal, meaning their Corsi is going to be all kinds of stupid in a negative direction
- fattybeef

Actually, Boston's Corsi numbers in the 2010/11 playoffs were not that bad. I showed them in the previous links.

If you want to look at poor Corsi numbers for a playoff team, you can look at last years Caps playoff numbers.

http://www.behindthenet.c...+49+50+51+52+53+54+55+56#

Those are "bad" numbers.

If Wolski gets his head out of his rear-end and realizes his potential, this could be the steal of the offseason. If he ends up getting top-6 minutes with this team, he could fall a$$ backwards into 50-60pts.
- eburgio

For $600,000, he's a bargain. If he can turn it around, it's a steal. If he falls flat on his ass, no worries.

Yep about 6 teams which means to me the Hawks have about a 20% chance which is better than some.

I have feeling the reason Hawks don't get Doan will be simply summed up as he wanted to play in Canada or close to home.
- Al

So - the only quality FAs the Hawks can ever sign will be Eddie Olszyk's kids - can't possibly make a financial, social, opportunity, hockey pitch that Chicago is a better place to spend a couple of year's than Detroit, Vancouver, San Jose?

Guys, we're screwed.

Now there is another signing that will make Hammer's contract look pretty good too.
- Al

Good contract. Means good to other teams. All the more value he has packaged with Stalberg and a prospect to get what we really need.

Guys, Doan is staying in Phoenix. HockeyyInsiderr says that Glendale REJECTED the tax initiative (which means it will be accepted)

Guys, Doan is staying in Phoenix. HockeyyInsiderr says that Glendale REJECTED the tax initiative (which means it will be accepted)
- 1goalLordStanley

but hockey insider is a fuggin idiot !

Guys, Doan is staying in Phoenix. HockeyyInsiderr says that Glendale REJECTED the tax initiative (which means it will be accepted)
- 1goalLordStanley

Not over yet.

Organizers of a referendum asking voters to void a $300 million Glendale deal with the Phoenix Coyotes could turn in petition signatures tomorrow, setting up a potential legal battle with the city.

Glendale is poised to disqualify the Coyotes referendum, arguing the petitions and signatures were due July 9.

Referendum organizers Ken Jones and Joe Cobb will argue they had until July 12 at the earliest, and July 16 at the latest, to turn in the required petitions to get the Coyotes deal to voters.

Jones said he could turn in signatures as early as tomorrow.

Jones and Cobb likely need more than 1,800 valid voter signatures to get on the November ballot. They want to squash the city’s deal with prospective Coyotes buyer Greg Jamison. That deal is key to the purchase of the team and keeping it in the Phoenix market.

The fight will now move to when the referendum petitions were due.

Not over yet.

Organizers of a referendum asking voters to void a $300 million Glendale deal with the Phoenix Coyotes could turn in petition signatures tomorrow, setting up a potential legal battle with the city.

Glendale is poised to disqualify the Coyotes referendum, arguing the petitions and signatures were due July 9.

Referendum organizers Ken Jones and Joe Cobb will argue they had until July 12 at the earliest, and July 16 at the latest, to turn in the required petitions to get the Coyotes deal to voters.

Jones said he could turn in signatures as early as tomorrow.

Jones and Cobb likely need more than 1,800 valid voter signatures to get on the November ballot. They want to squash the city’s deal with prospective Coyotes buyer Greg Jamison. That deal is key to the purchase of the team and keeping it in the Phoenix market.

The fight will now move to when the referendum petitions were due.
- RickyBear

This.

I think this will get tied up in the courts & Doan will just move on

So - the only quality FAs the Hawks can ever sign will be Eddie Olszyk's kids - can't possibly make a financial, social, opportunity, hockey pitch that Chicago is a better place to spend a couple of year's than Detroit, Vancouver, San Jose?

Guys, we're screwed.
- StLBravesFan

Wow...holy hyperbole batman?

Doan is from western Canada, his wife is from western Canada, most of his career has been spent in the....you guessed it...the west.

Doan has options...comparable options...among a number of quality teams.

Doan has been in this league a looonnnngggg time, and he knows all of the hockey markets, the organizations, and the rosters of each.

Not picking the Hawks does not mean "we're screwed", or we suck, or SB is a bum...I simply do not buy it.

If that we're the case, then every club he DOES NOT choose...sucks.

The situation is Phoenix will be resolved...

...when that club relocates.

Just got back from a little camping trip with the family. How many earth shaking moves did Stan make over the past 2 days?

Just got back from a little camping trip with the family. How many earth shaking moves did Stan make over the past 2 days?
- DarthKane

Zip. Zilch. Nothing.

The situation is Phoenix will be resolved...

...when that club relocates.
- ArlingtonRob

...To Quebec.

...To Quebec.
- EKolb13

Couldn't happen to a classier franchise & fanbase....

Wow...holy hyperbole batman?

Doan is from western Canada, his wife is from western Canada, most of his career has been spent in the....you guessed it...the west.

Doan has options...comparable options...among a number of quality teams.

Doan has been in this league a looonnnngggg time, and he knows all of the hockey markets, the organizations, and the rosters of each.

Not picking the Hawks does not mean "we're screwed", or we suck, or SB is a bum...I simply do not buy it.

If that we're the case, then every club he DOES NOT choose...sucks.
- ArlingtonRob

Five teams were mentioned: only Van seems close to his home (Kamloops?) - next closest is SJ - over 1000 miles.

Only Van is in Canada.

So - if it isn't Van, why should it be any city other than Chicago? Whether its money, years, cultural attractions, financial opportunity, opportunity to win a Cup - Stan/McD/Rocky - sell him on Chicago.

IF you're really serious about getting him.

Let me clarify, I'm not saying not to go for it. But I would not throw Sharp in there. Perhaps Bolland or Kruger, and throw the other at 3C.

Yes, Hammer is expendable, but to an extent. I would be all for trading for Stastny, but at the right price. Trading Sharp for him would not be the answer, because you are trading away 30/70 points, all while now having to scramble to find 2 people at Left Wing for the top two lines (assuming you have some combination of Hossa, Toews, Stastny, Kane at center/right wing). You are left with the same issue as currently stands with putting Kane at center and keeping Sharp at 1RW while downgrading at the position, minus faceoffs.

With Hammer, you have to be guaranteed that you fill up what you lose by shipping him off in FA, and with Bowman's current acts, that looks like a stretch. He's the one guy in the current core that can take pressure off of Keith with his ability to log a good chunk of minutes, AND clogs the slot by blocking shots.

In summary, you can deal a decent forward and Hammer for Stastny, but not Sharp.
- 1goalLordStanley

Sharp = highly overrated. That said, I agree with most of your post.

Hjalmarsson, Kruger, Emery, 2nd for Stastny and Giguere
Olsen or Lalonde and a 3rd for Fistric
Done.

Sharp = highly overrated. That said, I agree with most of your post.

Hjalmarsson, Kruger, Emery, 2nd for Stastny and Giguere
Olsen or Lalonde and a 3rd for Fistric
Done.
- Ogilthorpe2

Just curious.. Why do you think Sharp is overrated?

Five teams were mentioned: only Van seems close to his home (Kamloops?) - next closest is SJ - over 1000 miles.

Only Van is in Canada.

So - if it isn't Van, why should it be any city other than Chicago? Whether its money, years, cultural attractions, financial opportunity, opportunity to win a Cup - Stan/McD/Rocky - sell him on Chicago.

IF you're really serious about getting him.
- StLBravesFan

The Hawks could be as "serious" as any club, but it may not mean squat. Doan is not a punk ass kid, and he knows the clubs. I can't imagine he'd care about endorsement opportunities, or quality schools for his kids, or air quality, or whatever.

Seriously...the guy has been anchored to friggin' Phoenix of all places...to play hockey!

At this point in his career, money being comparable, he'll be looking at intangibles that may or may not involve winning a cup.

If a cup were that important he would have left Maricopa county years ago.

I just don't know what's important to Shane Doan at this point of his career, and I don't plan on guessing.

Hopefully Toews is a good recruiter.

Just curious.. Why do you think Sharp is overrated?
- CBHawks88

Oh know...please don't get Ogi started...

Good contract. Means good to other teams. All the more value he has packaged with Stalberg and a prospect to get what we really need.
- ilinkhawk

My thinking...

Five teams were mentioned: only Van seems close to his home (Kamloops?) - next closest is SJ - over 1000 miles.

Only Van is in Canada.

So - if it isn't Van, why should it be any city other than Chicago? Whether its money, years, cultural attractions, financial opportunity, opportunity to win a Cup - Stan/McD/Rocky - sell him on Chicago.

IF you're really serious about getting him.
- StLBravesFan

Out of all the teams on Doan's supposed list, Vancouver has the least cap room, at around $3 million.