Ryan has never been one of the top PK forwards on a team. Carter has. Any player can become a better two way player.
- MJL

I'm just saying Bobby Ryan has played on the PK. Its not like hes a total liability.

I'm just saying Bobby Ryan has played on the PK. Its not like hes a total liability.
- stveshdy

I don't think he's a liability either. He's a very good player who would help the Flyers. But there is a limit to his worth in a trade.

I don't think he's a liability either. He's a very good player who would help the Flyers. But there is a limit to his worth in a trade.
- MJL

That can be said for every trade that is made. There is always a limit to what a players value is.

By the way whats more appealing (to Anaheim) the trade proposal you posted or the Bruins trading David Krejci to Anaheim?

That can be said for every trade that is made. There is always a limit to what a players value is.

By the way whats more appealing the trade proposal you posted or the Bruins trading David Krejci to Anaheim?
- stveshdy

Well if it's true, that Anaheim is looking for a Center, then I would think they'd like Krejci better.

Well if it's true, that Anaheim is looking for a Center, then I would think they'd like Krejci better.
- MJL

Do you like Krejci's game? He is a very good two way player IMO. The Bruins would lose a lot trading him away.

Do you like Krejci's game? He is a very good two way player IMO. The Bruins would lose a lot trading him away.
- stveshdy

I would not trade Krejci for Ryan if I was Boston.

I would not trade Krejci for Ryan if I was Boston.
- MJL

I agree. So do you think the Flyers are done making moves?

I agree. So do you think the Flyers are done making moves?
- stveshdy

I don't know. I think they are going to continue to explore moves to make the team better. I have no doubt that they are in talks. Whether that leads to a deal or not. I don't know.

I don't know. I think they are going to continue to explore moves to make the team better. I have no doubt that they are in talks. Whether that leads to a deal or not. I don't know.
- MJL

Sounds like the Phillies also.

Do you like Krejci's game? He is a very good two way player IMO. The Bruins would lose a lot trading him away.
- stveshdy

Third leading scorer and was a minus 5 for a pretty good defensive Boston team. Only three other regulars were a minus last year - Campbell, Paille, and Thornton.

Sounds like the Phillies also.
- stveshdy

I read some language from Ruben Amaro recently where he was laying out the PR for a possible trade of Hamels. Which would suck. I'd trade Cliff Lee as fast as I could, and give Hamels what it takes to sign him.

I read some language from Ruben Amaro recently where he was laying out the PR for a possible trade of Hamels. Which would suck. I'd trade Cliff Lee as fast as I could, and give Hamels what it takes to sign him.
- MJL

No doubt. Phillies are running out of time to get a deal done. Move some guys and give Hamels what he wants. He deserves to be paid like the top pitchers in baseball.

Third leading scorer and was a minus 5 for a pretty good defensive Boston team. Only three other regulars were a minus last year - Campbell, Paille, and Thornton.
- 77rams

True. However David Krejci career plus minus is +57.

No doubt. Phillies are running out of time to get a deal done. Move some guys and give Hamels what he wants. He deserves to be paid like the top pitchers in baseball.
- stveshdy

Hearing the hangup is the number of years. Which to me doesn't make sense. They signed Cliff Lee to a 5 year deal which will run until he's 37. So why won't they sign Hamels to a 6 or 7 year deal? He's 29.

Hearing the hangup is the number of years. Which to me doesn't make sense. They signed Cliff Lee to a 5 year deal which will run until he's 37. So why won't they sign Hamels to a 6 or 7 year deal? He's 29.
- MJL

I would do a six year deal. Get this guy signed and move some players.

I read some language from Ruben Amaro recently where he was laying out the PR for a possible trade of Hamels. Which would suck. I'd trade Cliff Lee as fast as I could, and give Hamels what it takes to sign him.
- MJL

Now, I'd keep all the starting pitchers not named Blanton.

Pitchers I'd move would be Kendrick, Blanton, and Papelbon (worst signing). Infielders would be Rollins (tied for worst) and Polanco. Outfielders would be Victorino, Mayberry, Pierre (only because you'd might get something in return) and Brown.

Everyone else is either immovable or of value.

Now, I'd keep all the starting pitchers not named Blanton.

Pitchers I'd move would be Kendrick, Blanton, and Papelbon (worst signing). Infielders would be Rollins (tied for worst) and Polanco. Outfielders would be Victorino, Mayberry, Pierre (only because you'd might get something in return) and Brown.

Everyone else is either immovable or of value.
- 77rams

They could also move Pence who would bring back some nice young prospects. Not sure what the Phillies plan on doing but they cant seem to find a way to win.

They could also move Pence who would bring back some nice young prospects. Not sure what the Phillies plan on doing but they cant seem to find a way to win.
- stveshdy

I'd keep Pence. He's a good #5 hitter behind Ryan who needs a good bat behind him. Pence just isn't a #4 hitter and shouldn't have been expected to carry the team.

Now, I'd keep all the starting pitchers not named Blanton.

Pitchers I'd move would be Kendrick, Blanton, and Papelbon (worst signing). Infielders would be Rollins (tied for worst) and Polanco. Outfielders would be Victorino, Mayberry, Pierre (only because you'd might get something in return) and Brown.

Everyone else is either immovable or of value.
- 77rams

I don't see how Papelbon is a bad signing. True it's a lot of money, but he is worth it. Now Cliff Lee on the other hand, isn't worth it. He comes up small in big games. And a true ace, and 24M dollar a year player, is supposed to stop the bleeding. And carry the team. He has failed to raise his game when they needed him the most. He is the first player I'd be looking to trade.

I'd keep Pence. He's a good #5 hitter behind Ryan who needs a good bat behind him. Pence just isn't a #4 hitter and shouldn't have been expected to carry the team.
- 77rams

I agree with that.

I'd keep Pence. He's a good #5 hitter behind Ryan who needs a good bat behind him. Pence just isn't a #4 hitter and shouldn't have been expected to carry the team.
- 77rams

Not sure if the Phillies feel this way but his defense has been suspect all season and not sure if they are sold on him. I like Pence to and I think hes exactly what you said but the Phillies would trade him if they get back a nice package.

I don't see how Papelbon is a bad signing. True it's a lot of money, but he is worth it. Now Cliff Lee on the other hand, isn't worth it. He comes up small in big games. And a true ace, and 24M dollar a year player, is supposed to stop the bleeding. And carry the team. He has failed to raise his game when they needed him the most. He is the first player I'd be looking to trade.
- MJL

He has struggled. He doesn't look like a dominate pitcher this year. He's been very inconsistent and they cant afford that from a player whos suppose to be elite.

I'd keep Pence unless the trade enabled the Phil's to get a solid RF and free up $$$ for a CF like Bourne. Phil's desperately need a leadoff hitter.

quote=77rams]I'd keep Pence. He's a good #5 hitter behind Ryan who needs a good bat behind him. Pence just isn't a #4 hitter and shouldn't have been expected to carry the team.

I don't see how Papelbon is a bad signing. True it's a lot of money, but he is worth it. Now Cliff Lee on the other hand, isn't worth it. He comes up small in big games. And a true ace, and 24M dollar a year player, is supposed to stop the bleeding. And carry the team. He has failed to raise his game when they needed him the most. He is the first player I'd be looking to trade.
- MJL

Only because he cost the Phils a ton of money that was desperately needed elsewhere. What good is the highest paid closer when he can't get in the game?

Instead of paying Josh Willingham or Michael Cuddyer (for example), Rube arrogantly believes he has enough to compete with the bargain basement players he brings in.

With a healthy Ryan and Utley at the beginning of the season, I'd agree with the Paplebon move.

Only because he cost the Phils a ton of money that was desperately needed elsewhere. What good is the highest paid closer when he can't get in the game?

Instead of paying Josh Willingham or Michael Cuddyer (for example), Rube arrogantly believes he has enough to compete with the bargain basement players he brings in.

With a healthy Ryan and Utley at the beginning of the season, I'd agree with the Paplebon move.
- 77rams

The Papelbon move wasn't for just this year. It's a 4 year deal. I agree that Amaro has made some mistakes. But Papelbon wasn't one of them. You can't win without a quality closer. The Phils don't win the Series in 08 without a dominant Brad Lidge.