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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 17 @ 12:07 PM ET
I said this before the end of the regular season.

I say leave McNabb in Rochester this year. Pair him with Pysyk. Then you have a pairing that could be together for a decade.

- HonkFortheGoose


He will prob start there,
ESP if we don't trade any defensemen
It's going to be hard not to bring him up here at some point though...
Whether we have injuries or not
He's that good already IMO
JVince11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfreid, Lets Go Roy... Eye of the freaking Tiger!!!, AK
Joined: 07.13.2011

Jul 17 @ 12:07 PM ET
Sometimes it's about intangibles as well. Briere makes the players around him better. Roy never did that.
- HonkFortheGoose


that i can agree with...

Briere does have intangibles over Roy...
spasmatic13
Buffalo Sabres
Location: olean, NY
Joined: 06.24.2011

Jul 17 @ 12:07 PM ET
Last 3 regular seasons:

Briere has 170 points in 222 games
Roy has 148 points 195 games

Briere has a .77 ppg in 222 games
Roy has a .76 ppg in 195 games

I don't see the worth on his 6.5M contract

you were saying?

- JVince11


you mean other than the fact that no other player in the entire league has more points than him in the playoffs post lockout? id take him back at 6.5 in a heartbeat.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 17 @ 12:07 PM ET
Last 3 regular seasons:

Briere has 170 points in 222 games
Roy has 148 points 195 games

Briere has a .77 ppg in 222 games
Roy has a .76 ppg in 195 games

I don't see the worth on his 6.5M contract

you were saying?

- JVince11



What's the point difference in the playoffs between the 2?
JVince11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfreid, Lets Go Roy... Eye of the freaking Tiger!!!, AK
Joined: 07.13.2011

Jul 17 @ 12:08 PM ET
please don't respond to my posts, I would hate to get another attacking e mail like I got for posting a picture of miller getting toasted by crosby
- homiedclown


it was all in good hockey nature...

I don't see a problem.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 17 @ 12:08 PM ET
Does a so-called "average" rookie camp mean he will not be good?
What about that kid who had a hat trick in the scrimmage?
Does that mean he's the next Crosby?

McNabb dominated in juniors and in 2/3 of an AHL season
Plus a pretty strong performance up here for us
I like what I've seen from him

I could be wrong of course,
But I think he has a very bright future
I think he'll be very "pronger-like"

- jdfitz77

all I ask for is the sabres dress the 12 best guys up front for the top 3 lines and the 6 best d men in their organization

I doubt that will happen though
nfph
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Schadenfreude, NY
Joined: 09.22.2006

Jul 17 @ 12:08 PM ET
What's the point difference in the playoffs between the 2?
- dadeadhead

Night and day.

What'd I miss while I was avoiding this thread yesterday?
Irish 14
Location: South Buffalo
Joined: 01.25.2007

Jul 17 @ 12:09 PM ET
Can we recap McNabb for a second.

- Played 25 NHL games
- Looked average in rookie camp
- Everyone seems to think he is the next coming of Scott Stevens

Am I missing something?

- sambarugh


No you are not, he has the size and potential right now? Will see, but if he can get you Ryan packaged with Ennis, DO IT

Mike Wilson had size and potential!!
JVince11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfreid, Lets Go Roy... Eye of the freaking Tiger!!!, AK
Joined: 07.13.2011

Jul 17 @ 12:09 PM ET
What's the point difference in the playoffs between the 2?
- dadeadhead


That was my point DD... I said that Briere is GREAT in the playoffs.. there is NO doubt about that.. Briere is litereally Roy in the regular season though.
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Jul 17 @ 12:09 PM ET
He will prob start there,
ESP if we don't trade any defensemen
It's going to be hard not to bring him up here at some point though...
Whether we have injuries or not
He's that good already IMO

- jdfitz77


I would think you're right. Homer said they want to get him into the top 6 this year, I just don't know with some of the other moves they've made if that will happen. Even if you take Pardy out of the equation.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 17 @ 12:09 PM ET
it was all in good hockey nature...

I don't see a problem.

- JVince11

I dont like you

I have no desire to waste time with you

I have no desire to read (reed) attacking e mails you send me

move along now
or better yet, try doing a little work at your job to support your family
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 17 @ 12:10 PM ET
Night and day.

What'd I miss while I was avoiding this thread yesterday?

- nfph

hookers
blow
midgets
doan

and I think a farm animal
JVince11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfreid, Lets Go Roy... Eye of the freaking Tiger!!!, AK
Joined: 07.13.2011

Jul 17 @ 12:11 PM ET
I dont like you

I have no desire to waste time with you

I have no desire to read (reed) attacking e mails you send me

move along now
or better yet, try doing a little work at your job to support your family

- homiedclown





(sarcasm)
spasmatic13
Buffalo Sabres
Location: olean, NY
Joined: 06.24.2011

Jul 17 @ 12:12 PM ET
That was my point DD... I said that Briere is GREAT in the playoffs.. there is NO doubt about that.. Briere is litereally Roy in the regular season though.
- JVince11


so the real qestion is does his playoff numbers make him worth the extra 2.5 mil cap hit over what roy gets? i say yes.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 17 @ 12:12 PM ET
That was my point DD... I said that Briere is GREAT in the playoffs.. there is NO doubt about that.. Briere is litereally Roy in the regular season though.
- JVince11



Roy was set to make 5.5 this year to Danny's 6mil.

I don't think pegs cares about cap hit.
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Jul 17 @ 12:12 PM ET
Night and day.

What'd I miss while I was avoiding this thread yesterday?

- nfph


We had an interesting conversation at about 1 am.
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Jul 17 @ 12:13 PM ET
so the real qestion is does his playoff numbers make him worth the extra 2.5 mil cap hit over what roy gets? i say yes.
- spasmatic13


I agree. But it's not all just about his point production. He makes the players around him better as well.
sambarugh
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Meszároš has sick trade value, NY
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 17 @ 12:13 PM ET
Does a so-called "average" rookie camp mean he will not be good?
What about that kid who had a hat trick in the scrimmage?
Does that mean he's the next Crosby?

McNabb dominated in juniors and in 2/3 of an AHL season
Plus a pretty strong performance up here for us
I like what I've seen from him

I could be wrong of course,
But I think he has a very bright future
I think he'll be very "pronger-like"

- jdfitz77


I just think people are being a little quick to lavish such high praises on a kid whos played 25 NHL games. He's untouchable/He's the future/He's the next Pronger etc. Maybe give him a full 82 game season before we go there.
Mancari also dominated in the AHL, and we all know what he looks like in the NHL.
JVince11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfreid, Lets Go Roy... Eye of the freaking Tiger!!!, AK
Joined: 07.13.2011

Jul 17 @ 12:14 PM ET
so the real qestion is does his playoff numbers make him worth the extra 2.5 mil cap hit over what roy gets? i say yes.
- spasmatic13


What about the rest of his game... is he better than Roy at FO%, two way game, turnovers, PP/PK time, etc.

I'll give him leadership, playoff performance, motivate others all day..

but we are still talking about a guy that makes the same money as Stastny.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 17 @ 12:14 PM ET
Night and day.

What'd I miss while I was avoiding this thread yesterday?

- nfph



Pages 18-25 or so were entertaining.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 17 @ 12:14 PM ET
it could also be taht we have such high regards for him that we over analyze everything he does and if he doesn't just knock our socks off we call him average..

where as players like Pysyk, Leduc, and McCabe got very high regards from people because we don't have to see a "knock your socks off" kind of moment every shift or two.

just my 2 cents.

- JVince11


True
We also want these guys to be good & prob overrate them too
Not all these guys are gonna be the stars we expect/hope they'll be
A good example of what I'm talking about could be mike weber
I remember him looking a lot like McCabe did at rookie camp
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Jul 17 @ 12:15 PM ET
I just think people are being a little quick to lavish such high praises on a kid whos played 25 NHL games. He's untouchable/He's the future/He's the next Pronger etc. Maybe give him a full 82 game season before we go there.
Mancari also dominated in the AHL, and we all know what he looks like in the NHL.

- sambarugh


But McNabb looked every bit the part in the NHL as well. I know it's only 25 games, but stilll, he was playing on a team that was absolutely decimated by injury and he still stood out and didn't look out of place.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 17 @ 12:15 PM ET
Pages 18-25 or so were entertaining.
- dadeadhead

I enjoyed reading them when I got home from work this morning
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 17 @ 12:16 PM ET
But McNabb looked every bit the part in the NHL as well. I know it's only 25 games, but stilll, he was playing on a team that was absolutely decimated by injury and he still stood out and didn't look out of place.
- HonkFortheGoose

the flip side is so did sekera and weber 340 games ago
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Jul 17 @ 12:17 PM ET
What about the rest of his game... is he better than Roy at FO%, two way game, turnovers, PP/PK time, etc.

I'll give him leadership, playoff performance, motivate others all day..

but we are still talking about a guy that makes the same money as Stastny.

- JVince11


There's where the difference comes in, Briere is more of a liability defensively. Everyone knows that. But he was a good leader when he was here, he makes his teammates better, he's a proven performer. With some of the other changes in the offseason, we can now afford to do something like this without having to worry about that. Ott can play in Roy's PK position, so we haven't shorted ourselves there anyway.
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