Leopold was our best defenseman last year. IMO
- Powerslave

agreed, sekera has been a tad bit better the last two years and the deer in the headlight look has been seen less often

I would still like to see him get more time on the second team pp to get more confidence
- homiedclown

The team's record when Ehrhoff was in the lineup versus when he wasn't begs to differ.
- buffalofan19

I disagree. I think minus the first month of the season, Ehrhoff was our best D man. When he was out of the lineup, we were a much different team. That says something.
- HonkFortheGoose

lets use facts! this was posted before: http://hfboards.hockeysfu.../showthread.php?t=1195891

EVEN STRENGTH

Quality of Competition
1. Regehr +0.065
2. Sekera +0.038
3. Weber +0.002
4. Ehrhoff -0.004
5. Myers -0.013
6. Leopold -0.023

Goals Against per 60 on ice
1. Myers 1.97
2. Regehr 2.01
3. Sekera 2.19
4. Leopold 2.40
5. Ehrhoff 2.70
6. Weber 2.81

What did we learn?
- Regehr and Sekera faced toughest competition and both performed very well in that role defensively
- Weber needs to be protected from tougher competition
- Myers was able to dominate defensively against weaker competition
- Leopold and Ehrhoff are not very good defensively, are given freedom to take more chances

Quality of Teammate
1. Ehrhoff +0.081
2. Weber +0.053
3. Regehr -0.008
4. Myers -0.013
5. Sekera -0.053
6. Leopold -0.056

Goals for per 60 on ice
1. Ehrhoff 2.85
2. Leopold 2.62
3. Sekera 2.51
4. Myers 2.47
5. Regehr 1.50
6. Weber 1.37

What did we learn?
- Ehrhoff gets a lot of ice with the scoring forwards
- Sekera does not get such ice time, and yet still produces offensively at a similar rate to Myers and Leopold
- Regehr and Weber are terrible offensively.

+/- On ice per 60
1. Myers +0.51
2. Sekera +0.32
3. Leopold +0.22
4. Ehrhoff +0.15
5. Regehr -0.52
6. Weber -1.44

What did we learn?
- Myers is #1, but has weaker competition and better linemates
- Sekera is #2, while having stronger competition and weaker linemates
- Leopold and Ehrhoff overcome their weaknesses defensively, with their strengths offensively. The need to continue to avoid strong matchups
- Weber is bad
- Regehr's play is acceptable, even though the end result is a negative. We know he faces the best competition and has no abilities outside his own zone.

+/- Off ice per 60
1. Sekera -0.03
2. Leopold -0.02
3. Myers +0.03
4. Weber +0.28
5. Ehrhoff +0.35
6. Regehr +0.40

Corsi ON ice (difference in SAF v SAA)
1. Sekera +1.93
2. Ehrhoff +0.86
3. Leopold -3.71
4. Weber -4.10
5. Myers -7.17
6. Regehr -10.88

Corsi OFF ice
1. Sekera -5.35
2. Ehrhoff -3.02
3. Weber -1.02
4. Leopold -0.63
5. Myers -0.03
6. Regehr +3.03

What did we learn?
- Even though Sekera faces some of the top matchups, he still has the best differential between his On ice/Off ice numbers. The Sabres are at their absolute best when Sekera is on the ice....Why? Because he keeps the opponent out of our zone, and we possess the puck MORE when he is on the ice then any other defensemen. We limit shot attempts the most when he is on the ice. We create the most shot attemtps for ourselves when he is on the ice. And he does all of that with some of the weaker linemates on the team...

the last time I checked, you can't get scored on when you have the puck (all due respect to Mike Ryan and Geoff Sanderson)

Off Zone Starts
1. Ehrhoff
2. Leopold
3. Myers
4. Sekera
5. Weber
6. Regehr

Off Zone Finish
1. Sekera
2. Ehrhoff
3. Leopold
4. Myers
5. Regehr
6. Weber

Sekera doesn't get the benefit of top offensive zone starts, yet finishes there the most... one of the most important stats you don't notice IMO

interesting stats:
1. Sekera, while being a distant 4th in pts per 60... he does happen to be 2nd in secondary assists per 60... anyone want to venture a guess why?
2. Only defensemen with more penalties drawn, then penalties taken

POWER PLAY

Goals For per 60 of PP
1. Ehrhoff 7.23
2. Sekera 5.93
3. Myers 5.50
4. Leopold 4.52

Shots For per 60 of PP
1. Ehrhoff 49.0
2. Sekera 45.4
3. Leopold 44.4
4. Myers 39.4

Shots Blocked by opponent per 60 ON
1. Sekera 17.8
2. Leopold 26.0
3. Ehrhoff 26.3
4. Myers 28.9

SHORT HANDED

Shots Against per 60 Short
1. Sekera
2. Ehrhoff
3. Regehr
4. Leopold
5. Weber
6. Myers

Shots Blocked per 60 Short
1. Regehr 26.5
2. Sekera 25.4
3. Myers 22.9
4. Leopold 21.9
5. Weber 20.6
6. Ehrhoff 16.7

Goals Against per 60 Short
1. Ehrhoff 4.17
2. Weber 4.26
3. Myers 6.55
4. Leopold 7.40
5. Sekera 7.56
6. Regehr 8.73

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My overall ranking of these 6 defensemen based on the entirety of their performance taken into account with their role is as follows.


1. Sekera (By a mile)

2-5 the other others

6. Weber (the way lindy uses his pairs, there is no where to hide him)

Hilarious!

The one year my wife and I counted how many Sabres players, opposition players, on-ice officials and fans in the crowd he took out, and it was ridiculous. I think he put Satan out for a while.

He still had better aim than Gilles Hamel, though!


- Powerslave

wow had not heard that name in a long time

agreed on both points
- homiedclown

Totally. They should just keep feeding the Hoff for his one-timers. They'll start going in.

I disagree. I think minus the first month of the season, Ehrhoff was our best D man. When he was out of the lineup, we were a much different team. That says something.
- HonkFortheGoose

gotta agree here. we have several d who stepped up at different points last yr, but ehrhoff was missed most when down and that speaks volumes. if only more than one d man would hit his stride at a time we may get somewhere.

yep

I will give him this, threw a hell of a hip check
- homiedclown

We need Rammer back to teach the kids.

This part gave me cancer...
- JVince11

Went back and reread. Again busted out laughing at this part. . .



Anywho. . .

I would take Stastny over Briere or Marleau. Cap hit is the same/smaller and he is 8-10 years younger.

lets use facts!
- theblueandgold

B&G, I have to nominate this for the epic posts thread.

My overall ranking of these 6 defensemen based on the entirety of their performance taken into account with their role is as follows.


1. Sekera (By a mile)

2-5 the other others

6. Weber (the way lindy uses his pairs, there is no where to hide him)
- theblueandgold

interesting post

I have to admit maybe I will watch sekera a bit closer if he is around next season

Done .

leaves tonight at 6:30 for the canal festival
- cabin

I'm working at the Canal Fest tonight. 5-11. Come visit

lets use facts! this was posted before: http://hfboards.hockeysfu.../showthread.php?t=1195891



What did we learn?
- Regehr and Sekera faced toughest competition and both performed very well in that role defensively
- Weber needs to be protected from tougher competition
- Myers was able to dominate defensively against weaker competition
- Leopold and Ehrhoff are not very good defensively, are given freedom to take more chances



What did we learn?
- Ehrhoff gets a lot of ice with the scoring forwards
- Sekera does not get such ice time, and yet still produces offensively at a similar rate to Myers and Leopold
- Regehr and Weber are terrible offensively.



What did we learn?
- Myers is #1, but has weaker competition and better linemates
- Sekera is #2, while having stronger competition and weaker linemates
- Leopold and Ehrhoff overcome their weaknesses defensively, with their strengths offensively. The need to continue to avoid strong matchups
- Weber is bad
- Regehr's play is acceptable, even though the end result is a negative. We know he faces the best competition and has no abilities outside his own zone.


What did we learn?
- Even though Sekera faces some of the top matchups, he still has the best differential between his On ice/Off ice numbers. The Sabres are at their absolute best when Sekera is on the ice....Why? Because he keeps the opponent out of our zone, and we possess the puck MORE when he is on the ice then any other defensemen. We limit shot attempts the most when he is on the ice. We create the most shot attemtps for ourselves when he is on the ice. And he does all of that with some of the weaker linemates on the team...

the last time I checked, you can't get scored on when you have the puck (all due respect to Mike Ryan and Geoff Sanderson)

Off Zone Starts
1. Ehrhoff
2. Leopold
3. Myers
4. Sekera
5. Weber
6. Regehr

Off Zone Finish
1. Sekera
2. Ehrhoff
3. Leopold
4. Myers
5. Regehr
6. Weber

Sekera doesn't get the benefit of top offensive zone starts, yet finishes there the most... one of the most important stats you don't notice IMO

interesting stats:
1. Sekera, while being a distant 4th in pts per 60... he does happen to be 2nd in secondary assists per 60... anyone want to venture a guess why?
2. Only defensemen with more penalties drawn, then penalties taken



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My overall ranking of these 6 defensemen based on the entirety of their performance taken into account with their role is as follows.


1. Sekera (By a mile)

2-5 the other others

6. Weber (the way lindy uses his pairs, there is no where to hide him)
- theblueandgold

Wow. You must have gotten an "A" in typing class. (Seriously. Not sarcasm. That was a ton to type in such a short period. Yikes)

Anyway, you know the rules. Facts have no place here.

Well, at least from this fan's point of view (I spent about 10 games in the press box last year, too), Leo was solid, calm with the puck and a stabilizing force most nights.

We need Rammer back to teach the kids.
- dadeadhead

the wolfman could teach them a few things about over achieving

the wolfman could teach them a few things about over achieving
- homiedclown

Yessssssss™

Totally. They should just keep feeding the Hoff for his one-timers. They'll start going in.
- Powerslave

hoff, myers and maybe leopold on the first pp

leopold, sekera, sulzer on the second pp

no more wingers or centers on the point

and no more drop passes

- aightwebang17

Cross Thread Bump

hoff, myers and maybe leopold on the first pp

leopold, sekera, sulzer on the second pp

no more wingers or centers on the point

and no more drop passes
- homiedclown

this.

x1000

Went back and reread. Again busted out laughing at this part. . .



Anywho. . .

I would take Stastny over Briere or Marleau. Cap hit is the same/smaller and he is 8-10 years younger.
- ImThatGuy

im good with your reasoning here, but id still take briere for 2 reasons.
1) proven playoff performer and leader
2) with the young center depth on the way id rather utilize briere as a leader and mentor in his last 3 years then let the youth take over than bring in stastny and have to decide what to do with him in a couple years when the youngins are ready

I'm working at the Canal Fest tonight. 5-11. Come visit
- HonkFortheGoose

Its national teqilla day.

I think margarita's are in order tonight.

B&G, I have to nominate this for the epic posts thread.
- nfph

its a copy and paste from someone from HFBoards, not my work.

just needed to be posted to get you guys to get out of this "sekera sucks" mentality.

Also:

Missed Shots
1. Ehrhoff - 71
2. Myers - 47
3. Sekera - 37
4. Leopold - 33
5. Regher - 19
6. Weber - 17

Giveaways
1. Ehrhoff - 51
2. Myers - 44
3. Leopold - 40
4. Weber - 34
5. Sekera - 30
6. Regher - 28

Takeaways
1. Myers - 26
2. Sekera - 25
3. Ehrhoff - 24
4. McNabb - 16
5. Leopold - 14
6. Weber - 14
7. Regher - 11

A bunch of stats that look impressive, but, like in any other stat, do not tell the whole story.

- theblueandgold

If this game were all about stats, Derek Roy would still be here right now.

Interesting stuff, but you failed to counter the argument about the team's record. The fact is this team was miles better in the win column with Ehrhoff in the lineup than it was without it. You can't say that about any other defenseman on this team. Is Ehrhoff a shutdown d-man? No, we all knew this, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't make his team better. A good defenseman can be effective not only by defending in the traditional sense, but also by being able to get the puck out of the defensive zone very effectively. It's what made Brian Campbell so valuable. Ehrhoff's offensive zone time was in large part because he did a great job of getting the puck, and keeping the puck out of the zone. The best way to defend against a team is to not have to defend at all. Ehrhoff excelled at that.

Cross Thread Bump
- nfph

LOVE those old hockey photos. They have so much more character and grittiness to them than today's photos.

interesting post

I have to admit maybe I will watch sekera a bit closer if he is around next season
- homiedclown

It was very interesting indeed.


I just can't get past the tendency he has to have a good shooting lane, hang onto the puck to long, and then shoot it right into the opposition thus causing an odd man rush the other way.

he does this at least 1x per game.

hoff, myers and maybe leopold on the first pp

leopold, sekera, sulzer on the second pp

no more wingers or centers on the point

and no more drop passes
- homiedclown

Guarantedd on the first powerplay we see. Pommer is skating up teh wing drops it at center ice for Myers to carry into the zone.

My main PP strategy. Call me old school but it's dump and chase. You have them out numbered use those numbers.

hoff, myers and maybe leopold on the first pp

leopold, sekera, sulzer on the second pp

no more wingers or centers on the point

and no more drop passes
- homiedclown

wait you want to use 3 d and 2 forwards on each PP? why?

LOVE those old hockey photos. They have so much more character and grittiness to them than today's photos.
- Powerslave

The color is incredible, the action on ice and in the crowd is also incredible. Amazing photo, IMO.

its a copy and paste from someone from HFBoards, not my work.

just needed to be posted to get you guys to get out of this "sekera sucks" mentality.

Also:

Missed Shots
1. Ehrhoff - 71
2. Myers - 47
3. Sekera - 37
4. Leopold - 33
5. Regher - 19
6. Weber - 17

Giveaways
1. Ehrhoff - 51
2. Myers - 44
3. Leopold - 40
4. Weber - 34
5. Sekera - 30
6. Regher - 28

Takeaways
1. Myers - 26
2. Sekera - 25
3. Ehrhoff - 24
4. McNabb - 16
5. Leopold - 14
6. Weber - 14
7. Regher - 11
- theblueandgold

I think Sekera if sent to another team has a very solid NHL carrer. Not all-star or HOF worthy. just staedily quiet. He has proven he can be a very good D-man when he played for his country adn outperformed Chara.

My problem is they systme we have tries to mold players instead of focusing on what skills they have.