If you see them keeping an absolutely garbage player over more talented players, we're headed for the golf course again next Spring.
- PassionBucket16

Again, it's an opinion. I'm not necessarily wrong. You're not necessarily right. Why is that so hard to understand?

If you see them keeping an absolutely garbage player over more talented players, we're headed for the golf course again next Spring.
- PassionBucket16

the problem is weber doesnt really have any trade value to make it worth moving him though, so it wouldnt surprise me to see his name on the sabres healthy scratch list come 1st game

I don't care what anyone says, a picture taken with real film will always be superior to digital. It just is. It seems to have more depth and character.
- HonkFortheGoose

By it's nature, film is superior. And yes, I agree. Still rock my 35mm

He has to be the worst goalie on 2v1s in the league
- PassionBucket16

I would say that has more to do with the fact that the person who is back with him never seems to play it right. Ever. It's hard for him to do his job effectively, when the guy in front of him isn't doing his job effectively.

the problem is weber doesnt really have any trade value to make it worth moving him though, so it wouldnt surprise me to see his name on the sabres healthy scratch list come 1st game
- spasmatic13

He'll be the 7th D man. Just like last year.

He has to be the worst goalie on 2v1s in the league
- PassionBucket16

Depends on how your defenseman plays it. If they are constantly giving up the pass and not allowing you the initial shot, then yes youre going to get burned.

He has to be the worst goalie on 2v1s in the league
- PassionBucket16

he probably also sees more 2v1's than any other goalie in the league as well. when teams get to see that much tape on a goalies tendancies on odd man rushes it would be imposible not to know exaclty what to do against him

He'll be the 7th D man. Just like last year.
- HonkFortheGoose

it wouldnt surprise me either way to see him in the press box or waived. we have waaay to much depth to play him though. i think even a couple of the ahl kids would show better.

i agree miller is hung out to dry a lot and unfairly a scapegoat, but come on... those projected stats are just a tad exaggerated dont you think?
- spasmatic13

Not really. Look at miller save percentage on the PP over the last 3 years. Compare that to Halak or Elliot... Now look at His save percentage 5 on 5. He is much better on the PP-normally that is when most teams have to kplay the same style. In 5 on 5 situations he is much worse then Elliot and Halak. The blues give up odd man rushes at most 1 time a game. They also dont let the other team get close to thhe net. In ruffs system Miller is forced to make much more difficult saves. In games Miller plays in the sabres aver .4 more goals per game over the last 5 years then when the backup plays. That is because we take more chances offensivly whole miller is out there.

Not really. Look at miller save percentage on the PP over the last 3 years. Compare that to Halak or Elliot... Now look at His save percentage 5 on 5. He is much better on the PP-normally that is when most teams have to kplay the same style. In 5 on 5 situations he is much worse then Elliot and Halak. The blues give up odd man rushes at most 1 time a game. They also dont let the other team get close to thhe net. In ruffs system Miller is forced to make much more difficult saves. In games Miller plays in the sabres aver .4 more goals per game over the last 5 years then when the backup plays. That is because we take more chances offensivly whole miller is out there.
- JohnTucker7

Did you mean Miller's PK sv%?

Did you mean Miller's PK sv%?
- theblueandgold

Yeah sorry.

Here is a pretty cool link, but if you look, Miller is top 5 in every catagory when you take into account Quality of Scoring chance save percentage. The Sabres give up more Quality scoring chance then almost every team in the league. Then look at St. Loius...They give up fewer scoring chances then the sabres by almost 6 per game.

Yeah sorry.

Here is a pretty cool link, but if you look, Miller is top 5 in every catagory when you take into account Quality of Scoring chance save percentage. The Sabres give up more Quality scoring chance then almost every team in the league. Then look at St. Loius...They give up fewer scoring chances then the sabres by almost 6 per game.
- JohnTucker7

yet enroth had the better save % for the sabres last year

Yeah sorry.

Here is a pretty cool link, but if you look, Miller is top 5 in every catagory when you take into account Quality of Scoring chance save percentage. The Sabres give up more Quality scoring chance then almost every team in the league. Then look at St. Loius...They give up fewer scoring chances then the sabres by almost 6 per game.
- JohnTucker7

I got all this info off this site. It is pretty cool. Check out the Kings-they gave up very few QSC per game compared to the Sabres, Quick also was a top 10 Goalie, that combo sure looked good in the playoffs. And if you look at the teams that faired well in the playoffs, you willl see they had goalies that did well, but they also did not give up alot of chances.

http://behindthenet.ca/go...ty.php?sort=10&mingp=1000

yet enroth had the better save % for the sabres last year
- homiedclown

Yeah, and we averaged almost 1 goal less per game offensivly when enroth was in net. Ruff would not let his d playt as aggressive when Enroth was in net. Obviosly he would have a better save percentage when they are shooting from outside of 25 feet, when Miller was facing an average of 19.1 feet.

Not really. Look at miller save percentage on the PP over the last 3 years. Compare that to Halak or Elliot... Now look at His save percentage 5 on 5. He is much better on the PP-normally that is when most teams have to kplay the same style. In 5 on 5 situations he is much worse then Elliot and Halak. The blues give up odd man rushes at most 1 time a game. They also dont let the other team get close to thhe net. In ruffs system Miller is forced to make much more difficult saves. In games Miller plays in the sabres aver .4 more goals per game over the last 5 years then when the backup plays. That is because we take more chances offensivly whole miller is out there.
- JohnTucker7

these ideas in no way support other worldly stat projections. the last 2years tim thomas and elliot have lead the league in .938 and .940 save% so sure thats doable, but the leaders in goals against have been 2.00 and 1.56 respectively. and the 1.56 was without even playing 40 games. 1.25 GAA over a whole year by any goalie in any system is just silly. in my opinion

Yeah, and we averaged almost 1 goal less per game offensivly when enroth was in net. Ruff would not let his d playt as aggressive when Enroth was in net. Obviosly he would have a better save percentage when they are shooting from outside of 25 feet, when Miller was facing an average of 19.1 feet.
- JohnTucker7

I am cool with Enroth, he will be a top end goalie some day, but right now Miller is a better and the advanced stats support that 100 percent. You can't just look at Save Percentage and GAA when rating your goalie. I think most people on this realize that. All that being said, Miller does not get a free pass. He did not have a great year last year, but it was still better then most.

these ideas in no way support other worldly stat projections. the last 2years tim thomas and elliot have lead the league in .938 and .940 save% so sure thats doable, but the leaders in goals against have been 2.00 and 1.56 respectively. and the 1.56 was without even playing 40 games. 1.25 GAA over a whole year by any goalie in any system is just silly. in my opinion
- spasmatic13

Ok, I agree, I exagerated to make a point. I think 1.5 to 1.7 if played in St. Louis system. Average shot was 27.6 feet. That is pretty relavent, Miller was 19.1 last year, only Kirpusoff was closer at 18.9.

I read a report on this last week... It is not working. They have only been able to drop 2% of the applicants, only saved $60,000 and have spent millions of tax payer money for the tests. I'll find a link and post it later.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/welfare.asp

Not what I had read before but a quick Snopes link...
- jochfr

interesting...

He has to be the worst goalie on 2v1s in the league
- PassionBucket16

his whole game is based upon positioning and angles.. when you get him moving like on a 2v1 he is screwed because he is not that athletically gifted

interesting...
- SabresFaninIndiana

I know htey wern't testing for beer and cigs....I think if someone is on welfare they should not be allowed to smoke or drink either...lol....that should be reserved for the more productive members of society!

Depends on how your defenseman plays it. If they are constantly giving up the pass and not allowing you the initial shot, then yes youre going to get burned.
- theblueandgold

and that should be determined in practice prior to the game.. the dman should know that he either always takes the pass or always takes the shot.. that is what communication is for.. hell when i was goalie at age 10 we had that worked out prior to the game.

I know htey wern't testing for beer and cigs....I think if someone is on welfare they should not be allowed to smoke or drink either...lol....that should be reserved for the more productive members of society!
- JohnTucker7

they can do whatever the hell they want to do with their own money but i dont want my earned money being taken from me and given to some degenerate that can't get a job and drinks and smokes all day... but if you think you would like to pay for them to live like that feel free to go to your local trailer park and start handing out $100 bills

Yeah, and we averaged almost 1 goal less per game offensivly when enroth was in net. Ruff would not let his d playt as aggressive when Enroth was in net. Obviosly he would have a better save percentage when they are shooting from outside of 25 feet, when Miller was facing an average of 19.1 feet.
- JohnTucker7

guess you can spin it any way you want

a common theme for the miller lovers

while your looking at numbers, check out the numbers Miller posted after the olympics in his only great season

guess you can spin it any way you want

a common theme for the miller lovers

while your looking at numbers, check out the numbers Miller posted after the olympics in his only great season
- homiedclown

take a gander at the number of playoff W's after we lost the ability to score at will (losing drury and briere)

millers best years for wins were when we could make up for his 2 to 3 goal spot he gave the other team every game.. we can't do that anymore

I know htey wern't testing for beer and cigs....I think if someone is on welfare they should not be allowed to smoke or drink either...lol....that should be reserved for the more productive members of society!
- JohnTucker7

what about the homeless people that pick up the cig butts and light them up and smoke them