Offer sheets are fine with me, I've got zero problems with those.

But the BS contracts like Luongo, Kovalchuk and the Suter/Parise contracts are just crap...those were cheating the CBA and the GM's know it. And if we can't use the word cheat then it's 150% circumvention.
- Juice

The NHL has defined circumvention, and they have found these sort of deals do not circumvent the cap.

I'm not overjoyed they went this route. However, if the win a Stanley Cup with it, it sure as Hell won't feel hollow to me.

Right, b/c spending all that money is working out so well for the Phillies, Yankees, and Red Sox.

Who are the playoff teams right now? nationals, pirates, reds, giants, braves & Yankees, orioles, white sox, rangers, angels.

And the Yankees have no shot at the WS this year b/c of their pitching.

Quit your crying.
- MeLLo

While you're right (based on this particular year), the bolded teams will always come and go...but the Yankees are there every year as are the Bosox save for a collapse last season.

Not arguing anything...but using one year or even two years doesn't say much.

np

i hope it works out and i hope burke offer sheets Giroux and B schenn and you guys cant afford either because you stole weber and that pile of poop you have in net you call Bryzgalov.
- big_dion

Everyone justifies offer sheets until another GM pulls a fast one on you (Lowe on Vanek). It's a skeez-ball move. There's a reason why most GMs do not do this, because it opens up pandoras box.

Right, b/c spending all that money is working out so well for the Phillies, Yankees, and Red Sox.

Who are the playoff teams right now? nationals, pirates, reds, giants, braves & Yankees, orioles, white sox, rangers, angels.

And the Yankees have no shot at the WS this year b/c of their pitching.

Quit your crying.
- MeLLo

great points btw

The NHL has defined circumvention, and they have found these sort of deals do not circumvent the cap.

I'm not overjoyed they went this route. However, if the win a Stanley Cup with it, it sure as Hell won't feel hollow to me.
- Jsaquella

Blah blah blah...it's circumvention. The NHL had to speak to it somehow to save face because they can't change the CBA while in the middle of a current agreement.

But yes, the latter part of your post...even if my team made a crap contract offer that circumvented the CBA I'd get over it very easily with a SC win.

The NHL has defined circumvention, and they have found these sort of deals do not circumvent the cap.

I'm not overjoyed they went this route. However, if the win a Stanley Cup with it, it sure as Hell won't feel hollow to me.
- Jsaquella

I agree...However, from what I'm reading, they were growing tired of going back and forth in regards to a trade.

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Right, b/c spending all that money is working out so well for the Phillies, Yankees, and Red Sox.

Who are the playoff teams right now? nationals, pirates, reds, giants, braves & Yankees, orioles, white sox, rangers, angels.

And the Yankees have no shot at the WS this year b/c of their pitching.

Quit your crying.
- MeLLo

Come on ,philly has assembled a great team by drafting and developing their team.To win by poaching a weaker teams star ,just doesnt seem right .If you want him pay a fair price to get him, not cram a lessor deal down their throats.Just because you can

Blah blah blah...it's circumvention. The NHL had to speak to it somehow to save face because they can't change the CBA while in the middle of a current agreement.

But yes, the latter part of your post...even if my team made a crap contract offer that circumvented the CBA I'd get over it very easily with a SC win.
- Juice

It is circumvention, but it follows the rules set out, so it's legal.

Yep agreed ,sport is about physical competition not who has a bigger wallet
- top shelf 15

People, calm down. Look at the last four Cup winners. Not one was a big spender. It doesn't always work, and if this one DOES work for the Flyers it won't be because of Weber, but because of Giroux, Couturier, Schenn 1 & 2, Read, Hartnell, etc. I point out that NONE of these were big money free agent signings. Weber and nothing else doesn't win a Cup. Not even Weber AND Sutter did that.

Stop whining about big market teams.

Blah blah blah...it's circumvention. The NHL had to speak to it somehow to save face because they can't change the CBA while in the middle of a current agreement.

But yes, the latter part of your post...even if my team made a crap contract offer that circumvented the CBA I'd get over it very easily with a SC win.
- Juice

If it's not circumvention (for some reason I shrivel up when I type that word) and if Preds match, Gary has a real tough time telling Ferh that players need to take salary cut to protect small revenue teams like Nashville and the Wild.

I absolutely love how people come on here to claim that the Flyers are criminal, bad for the NHL etc etc. Here are some facts:

1. Offer sheets are part of the game. -->If you or your team dont like them, then the owner of your team should have worked to negotiate them out of the CBA.....

2. Its not the Flyers / Red Wings / Rangers fault that your team is not financially stable. --> If your team is struggling to be able to meet the salary cap floor,then you should question whether or not your market is large enough to support an NHL team.

3. The Salary Cap: Every team needs to operate within the salary cap. It is ignorant to argue that one team has an unfair advantage over the other....

Everyone justifies offer sheets until another GM pulls a fast one on you (Lowe on Vanek). It's a skeez-ball move. There's a reason why most GMs do not do this, because it opens up pandoras box.
- IceColdBeer

Yep ,sometimes you just have to face the facts that you just are not good enough to win and work harder.Its the very essense of sport ,the offer sheet to screw another competitor up, reeks of cheator play

lots of ball left

and really, its 1 season out of how many?

get a grip.
- big_dion

The trend in sports right now is that you can build a championship level team in small market on a budget. (except the NBA). It's the PRED's GMs fault losing Suter for nothing and now likely losing Weber. Did anyone really think they were a legit cup contender last year or going to be able to keep both of those guys. You've got to be a great team or an awful team these days. The Oilers will turn their organization around the way pittsburgh did with all those high draft picks. If the Preds lose Weber they'll be picking top 5 + they'll have all philly's first round picks (4 likely in the 20's). They have a core of 6-8 great young players as opposed to 1 Dman in Weber. What's better for them - overpaying Weber and being an 8th seed drafting in the late teens every year or losing Weber & being Edmonton racking up the high 1's while also having Philly's picks in the 20's and building a potential dynasty around Rinne.

Are they better off with Weber, Rinne, and being cash strapped for the next decade or with 8 1st round picks over the next 4 years, Pekka Rinne, and money to spend?

I absolutely love how people come on here to claim that the Flyers are criminal, bad for the NHL etc etc. Here are some facts:

1. Offer sheets are part of the game. -->If you or your team dont like them, then the owner of your team should have worked to negotiate them out of the CBA.....

2. Its not the Flyers / Red Wings / Rangers fault that your team is not financially stable. --> If your team is struggling to be able to meet the salary cap floor,then you should question whether or not your market is large enough to support an NHL team.

3. The Salary Cap: Every team needs to operate within the salary cap. It is ignorant to argue that one team has an unfair advantage over the other....
- flyersfan2186

Bobby Clarke.

need more names?

anyone know if nashville can trade his rights during this 1 week window?

staal + 3 firsts + 1 second for rights to weber then match

i can make up texts that i have too. me: hi kate upton would you like to make out? kate: sure loubo your sexy voice makes me melt. E5

People, calm down. Look at the last four Cup winners. Not one was a big spender. It doesn't always work, and if this one DOES work for the Flyers it won't be because of Weber, but because of Giroux, Couturier, Schenn 1 & 2, Read, Hartnell, etc. I point out that NONE of these were big money free agent signings. Weber and nothing else doesn't win a Cup. Not even Weber AND Sutter did that.

Stop whining about big market teams.
- jonandabby

A 110 million dollar contract all structured in a way that has no real possible way for nashville to come out ok ,says differentl

The trend in sports right now is that you can build a championship level team in small market on a budget. (except the NBA). It's the PRED's GMs fault losing Suter for nothing and now likely losing Weber. Did anyone really think they were a legit cup contender last year or going to be able to keep both of those guys. You've got to be a great team or an awful team these days. The Oilers will turn their organization around the way pittsburgh did with all those high draft picks. If the Preds lose Weber they'll be picking top 5 + they'll have all philly's first round picks (4 likely in the 20's). They have a core of 6-8 great young players as opposed to 1 Dman in Weber. What's better for them - overpaying Weber and being an 8th seed drafting in the late teens every year or losing Weber & being Edmonton racking up the high 1's while also having Philly's picks in the 20's and building a potential dynasty around Rinne.

Are they better off with Weber, Rinne, and being cash strapped for the next decade or with 8 1st round picks over the next 4 years, Pekka Rinne, and money to spend?
- MeLLo

i dont know because i dont have a magical crystal ball that tells me all the answers.

what i do know is that its a pathetic way to aquire a player, especially of his caliber.

I absolutely love how people come on here to claim that the Flyers are criminal, bad for the NHL etc etc. Here are some facts:

1. Offer sheets are part of the game. -->If you or your team dont like them, then the owner of your team should have worked to negotiate them out of the CBA.....

2. Its not the Flyers / Red Wings / Rangers fault that your team is not financially stable. --> If your team is struggling to be able to meet the salary cap floor,then you should question whether or not your market is large enough to support an NHL team.

3. The Salary Cap: Every team needs to operate within the salary cap. It is ignorant to argue that one team has an unfair advantage over the other....
- flyersfan2186

Oh its all legal and its a smart move by the flyers management to to figure this all out ,but its just how it really handcuffs nashville just doesnt seem right

A 110 million dollar contract all structured in a way that has no real possible way for nashville to come out ok ,says differentl
- top shelf 15

phili basically handcuffed nashville with this offer is what they did.

It is circumvention, but it follows the rules set out, so it's legal.
- Jsaquella

It's legal but your deluded moron owner and GM are missing the point. They are crying poor mouth and then handing out an insane contract. They want a 25% salary rollback and the elimination of long term deals but they're pulling this poop?!

It's like being told you can never drink again so they're getting their last hurrah. This lockout is going to rock!

And if it is as is now being reported that it is 14 years at a 110, The Predators Match without even blinking an eye. It's only if it higher then 115+ that the Preds consider taking the draft picks. At 110 million, even with a front load, it would be about what he is making now.
- dgutzman

Posted this in another thread....


The Preds had the 7th highest losses in the NHL as a franchise last year (according to Forbes). Adding $10M to salary in one year, all other things equal, gives them the second highest losses in the league, second only to the Yotes.

And because it's bonuses over 2 years, they've got the second biggest losses for two years straight.

That could push the franchises into some serious trouble.

i dont know because i dont have a magical crystal ball that tells me all the answers.

what i do know is that its a pathetic way to aquire a player, especially of his caliber.
- big_dion

it really isnt... its pathetic that nashville might let there top player walk away because they didnt just sign him and instead tried to get the lowest possible offer... how about hes your captain and franchise player and instead of bargaining over a couple million on a contract that was going to be in the 100 million range they just get him signed and not risk it

especially after they already lost sutre

phili basically handcuffed nashville with this offer is what they did.
- big_dion

Yep either way Nashville gets screwed here ,all because Nashville might have had a trade offer that the could have lived with to move their star .And it wasnt philly