well then if they knew that the trade him at the draft for the highest 1st rounder you can get + and tell your fan base... look he wouldnt sign with us so we just got us another cornerstone to play around
- DarcyTucker16

They where trying to win a cup to grow their fanbase,and there is no way you could sell that by trading weber

How do we not know they were not trying to lock him up long term ?Because all indications out of nashville is that they where .If weber wasnt going to sign long term what differense does it make about arbitration
- top shelf 15

then trade him... your telling me they couldnt have got the 1st overall from edmonton who are dying for defenceman plus probably some other picks or prospects... then you can tell your fanbase... look he didnt want to sign so we got what we could while his value was still high?

what part of a restricted budget do you not understand , if he had more money at his disposal for sure he would sign him to what he was intended then this poop would of never happened.Just look at the Preds payroll for the last few years......
- Alexzanki

restricted budget means allocating money properly.
keeping the best defenseman in the league as a part of your team should have been a priority.
what part of this don't you understand?

....oh, nevermind, you're the columbus fan

They where trying to win a cup to grow their fanbase,and there is no way you could sell that by trading weber
- top shelf 15

well thats the risk you take then... every team has taht risk... just because theyre poor doesnt mean they shouldnt have it too

Poile has often said the worst mistake of his career was not matching the offer sheet for Scott Stevens when he was GM Washington.

Exactly - the rules changed with Kovalchuk and could very easily change again now. Lou clearly thought that the Kovalchuk deal was clearly within the rules. The League decided differently.

The League right now has a very strong interest in not approving this deal, especially if Nasville matches. This plus the Wild signings seriously undermines their arguments to the PA about the need to roll back salaries to protect small revenue teams.

(I wonder if Holmgren sent this to the league for pre-approval?)
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Exactly - the rules changed with Kovalchuk and could very easily change again now. Lou clearly thought that the Kovalchuk deal was clearly within the rules. The League decided differently.

The League right now has a very strong interest in not approving this deal, especially if Nasville matches. This plus the Wild signings seriously undermines their arguments to the PA about the need to roll back salaries to protect small revenue teams.

(I wonder if Holmgren sent this to the league for pre-approval?)
- Canada Cup

I sincerely doubt they explore the exact same route for the exact same kind of situation. They did it last time to set precedent, to outline how far the rules can be pushed. The most effective solution to these contracts is the CBA negotiations. Of course, as you suggested, I'm sure the NHLPA will have a laugh when owners say player salaries are too high.

then trade him... your telling me they couldnt have got the 1st overall from edmonton who are dying for defenceman plus probably some other picks or prospects... then you can tell your fanbase... look he didnt want to sign so we got what we could while his value was still high?
- DarcyTucker16

As i said above ,how can you tell your fanbase that bought weber jerseys and was the captain if your team .That we have decide to trade him

would you trade couts, voracek, mez and a cuople of picks for weber?
- tomburton99

NO replace couturier with Read then yes I just don't think nash would take Mez after back surgery

As i said above ,how can you tell your fanbase that bought weber jerseys and was the captain if your team .That we have decide to trade him
- top shelf 15

how can they now tell their fanbase that... "we didnt trade him for yakupov ++ so were gonna get 4 low 1st rounders instead

Poile has often said the worst mistake of his career was not matching the offer sheet for Scott Stevens when he was GM Washington.
- spatso

I wish there could be a hearing to decide this ala scott stevens /brendan shanahan Philly get weber ,nashville would get giroux

how can they now tell their fanbase that... "we didnt trade him for yakupov ++ so were gonna get 4 low 1st rounders instead
- DarcyTucker16

Not the same diehard fans live in edmonton.Nashville is still trying to get some

I wish there could be a hearing to decide this ala scott stevens /brendan shanahan Philly get weber ,nashville would get giroux
- top shelf 15

cuz that makes any sense at all

Not the same diehard fans live in edmonton.Nashville is still trying to get some
- top shelf 15

what does the fans in edmonton have to do with it? im saying it woulda have been way better for nashville to tell their fans "hey we got a new cornerstone cuz our old one doesnt like us" instead of "hey were not doing anythign with a guy we knew wouldnt sign here"

and if you want to bring edmonton fans into it i can guarentee they would have loved to have got weber

cuz that makes any sense at all
- DarcyTucker16

When brendan shanahan was signed as a RFA from NJ by stlouis .Nj requested and recieved scott stevens by an arbitrator as benig fair compensation

Didn't it take them a week to investigate Kovalchuk? Didn't they retroactively look at Pronger's contract at that time too?
- prock

Yes and what were the changes? The salary of the last year must be half of the first NOT including bonus money. Flyers had a problem with it in talbot's contract last year

When brendan shanahan was signed as a RFA from NJ by stlouis .Nj requested and recieved scott stevens by an arbitrator as benig fair compensation
- top shelf 15

and which cba was that in? clearly thats not in the books nowadays

what does the fans in edmonton have to do with it? im saying it woulda have been way better for nashville to tell their fans "hey we got a new cornerstone cuz our old one doesnt like us" instead of "hey were not doing anythign with a guy we knew wouldnt sign here"

and if you want to bring edmonton fans into it i can guarentee they would have loved to have got weber
- DarcyTucker16

You do make a point ,but who knows why it went this far

As i said above ,how can you tell your fanbase that bought weber jerseys and was the captain if your team .That we have decide to trade him
- top shelf 15

The problem is not the offer sheet or Webers contract. The problem is that the finical gap between high and low revenue teams is too big. The little guys can't afford to meet a salary floor that grows every year because of league revenue growth driven by 3 or 4 teams.

I wish there could be a hearing to decide this ala scott stevens /brendan shanahan Philly get weber ,nashville would get giroux
- top shelf 15

and we would still have Schenn, Coots and Laughton

and which cba was that in? clearly thats not in the books nowadays
- DarcyTucker16

Think it was a shanahan,s second year.but i think the picks where still there but you could request and arbitrator in on deals and what he said was binding

and we would still have Schenn, Coots and Laughton
- vejim

Look iam not hating on the flyers ,they where smart to use the CBA to their advantage .Doesnt mean i have to like as a fan of the nhl and all of their teams

Exactly - the rules changed with Kovalchuk and could very easily change again now. Lou clearly thought that the Kovalchuk deal was clearly within the rules. The League decided differently.

The League right now has a very strong interest in not approving this deal, especially if Nasville matches. This plus the Wild signings seriously undermines their arguments to the PA about the need to roll back salaries to protect small revenue teams.

(I wonder if Holmgren sent this to the league for pre-approval?)
- Canada Cup

The funny part would be Nashville matches, and Philly gets penalized for offering a contract that circumvents the cap anyway.

Yes and what were the changes? The salary of the last year must be half of the first NOT including bonus money. Flyers had a problem with it in talbot's contract last year
- PhillyFran

That’s not quite how the rule works. It’s “the salary of each year can’t be less than half of the year previous”, or something like that. And that’s been in place since the CBA was written in 2005.

You do make a point ,but who knows why it went this far
- top shelf 15

ya in essence im sayin it was well played by philly (if the contract is approved) and a bad play by nash because they had a lot of different outs before this happened