This.

Poile needs to accept rebuilding IMO, which means he should try and squeeze whatever he can out of Homer in a decline and trade transaction.

He has the foundation for a superb future defense with Ellis, Josi, and Blum. Add some pieces and picks around them and move on without crippling the organization financially, but no way do I let him go strcitly for 4 late 1sts. They need to pull off a trade.
- LordStanley88

Max move for me : MAB, Voracek, and Cousins give me back a pick.

I'm against a trade.

1 day down. No matching and no trades.

Stand Pat homer. No deals! If they cry for cap space, then send them 2 firsts, shelley, Walker, and Lilja
Dont like it? Go pound sand, and match the deal.

Not counting Weber the preds have 2 RFAs this year and 7 next year. Going to be some nice pay increases to keep their young players. They do have 5 UFAs nexy year, but with Weber or (Voracek and Mz) I think they'll blow right through the cap floor next year, especially if it comes back down.

Any reason A. Kostitsyn not signed by anyone yet?
- jstross

he's a party animal...and his partner in crime scampered back to the K in disgrace.

1 day down. No matching and no trades.

Stand Pat homer. No deals! If they cry for cap space, then send them 2 firsts, shelley, Walker, and Lilja
Dont like it? Go pound sand, and match the deal.
- the deaninator

I'm against making a trade also. I rather take your route.

HONESTLY YOU ALL HAVE TO CHECK THIS OUT! a plan for predators relocation haha

http://www.detobey.com/wo...Nashville%20Predators.pdf


heres the conclusion:

Conclusion
Seeking to make the best possible recommendation of a new home for the Nashville
Predators to a potential buyer, an analysis of market data indicates that the least desirable option
would be to keep the team in Nashville. Houston, on the other hand, is the location most aligned
with the goals of NHL league commissioner Gary Bettman, providing good chance of securing
league permission to move the franchise. Houston delivers the total package, promising
exceptional corporate sponsorship and broadcast revenues, the largest available market, great
facilities with an attractive lease rate, and plenty of revenues to support enough marketing
promotions to really drive up ticket sales to maximize profits.

1 day down. No matching and no trades.

Stand Pat homer. No deals! If they cry for cap space, then send them 2 firsts, shelley, Walker, and Lilja
Dont like it? Go pound sand, and match the deal.
- the deaninator

I'd rather have weber for sure. we're not likely to have a shot at a franchise dman in the near future. a bird in the hand...

I'm against making a trade also. I rather take your route.
- stveshdy

any trade that takes players off the roster is stupid at this point. If they were adamant about keeping weber they would have matched the offer already.
They cant match it, they know it and homer knows it.
Trading would be just out of pity, and it would end up screwing them over in the end im sure.

If Poile got a call from a GM that said 4 first round picks for Weber, he would laugh and hang up the phone. Its a huge underpayment. Now its the best offer on the table.

any trade that takes players off the roster is stupid at this point. If they were adamant about keeping weber they would have matched the offer already.
They cant match it, they know it and homer knows it.
Trading would be just out of pity, and it would end up screwing them over in the end im sure.

If Poile got a call from a GM that said 4 first round picks for Weber, he would laugh and hang up the phone. Its a huge underpayment. Now its the best offer on the table.
- the deaninator

Thats the Preds choice. Match the offer or take our picks. They should of never put themselves in this position with their franchise player.

Thats the Preds choice. Match the offer or take our picks. They should of never put themselves in this position with their franchise player.
- stveshdy

Exactly. I hate Crosby and malkin, but if Pittsburgh put themselves in this position, and left either of them exposed to an offer sheet, teams would be sending in offer sheets like it was going out of style, and 4 or 5 first round picks for either of those players is a huge underpayment as well.

any trade that takes players off the roster is stupid at this point. If they were adamant about keeping weber they would have matched the offer already.
They cant match it, they know it and homer knows it.
Trading would be just out of pity, and it would end up screwing them over in the end im sure.

If Poile got a call from a GM that said 4 first round picks for Weber, he would laugh and hang up the phone. Its a huge underpayment. Now its the best offer on the table.
- the deaninator

not having looked at how the deal was constructed, they are taking their time to figure out how to proceed. you are over-confident.

Max move for me : MAB, Voracek, and Cousins give me back a pick.

I'm against a trade.
- stveshdy

Voracek is worth more than a late 1 himself.

Exactly. I hate Crosby and malkin, but if Pittsburgh put themselves in this position, and left either of them exposed to an offer sheet, teams would be sending in offer sheets like it was going out of style, and 4 or 5 first round picks for either of those players is a huge underpayment as well.
- the deaninator

Agreed. We don't need to make a deal with Nashville. They may call and say make a trade with us or will match. I would say "match" b/c our team is pretty much set. Let the Preds deal with paying that outrageous contract for 14 years in a small market. The Flyers will move on to the next phase and look to upgrade elsewhere down the line. This isnt make or break for the Flyers with Weber. Nashville is the team thats desperate at this point. Stand Pat Homer.

not having looked at how the deal was constructed, they are taking their time to figure out how to proceed. you are over-confident.
- isaiah520

They are on the hook for 26 million dollars next season, lockout or not. Thats a huge hole for a team that can't make a profit as it is.
I'm cautiously optimistic, but when you look at how the deal is structured, its a huge gamble for a franchise that is already bleeding money

Voracek is worth more than a late 1 himself.
- jstross

I'm against a trade period. I would tell Nashville we are not trading (we tried) but now its either you match our offer or take our picks.

People need to realize its not the end of the world if they dont get Weber.

Agreed. We don't need to make a deal with Nashville. They may call and say make a trade with us or will match. I would say "match" b/c our team is pretty much set. Let the Preds deal with paying that outrageous contract for 14 years in a small market. The Flyers will move on to the next phase and look to upgrade elsewhere down the line. This isnt make or break for the Flyers with Weber. Nashville is the team thats desperate at this point. Stand Pat Homer.
- stveshdy

I think that's easy to say from here. But when you're so close to landing a franchise defenseman, I'd be willing to part with something else to make sure it happens.

(not B. Schenn or Couturier, though)

Agreed. We don't need to make a deal with Nashville. They may call and say make a trade with us or will match. I would say "match" b/c our team is pretty much set. Let the Preds deal with paying that outrageous contract for 14 years in a small market. The Flyers will move on to the next phase and look to upgrade elsewhere down the line. This isnt make or break for the Flyers with Weber. Nashville is the team thats desperate at this point. Stand Pat Homer.
- stveshdy

Exactly...just let them match. If we send Voracek, Read out....how are we going to score at all? Let them match and drown in that contract.

They are on the hook for 26 million dollars next season, lockout or not. Thats a huge hole for a team that can't make a profit as it is.
I'm cautiously optimistic, but when you look at how the deal is structured, its a huge gamble for a franchise that is already bleeding money
- the deaninator

we all want weber, but there are some intangible considerations here that will effect the outcome beyond just the dollars. for one, the poile experience with Stevens...and there are others.

I think that's easy to say from here. But when you're so close to landing a franchise defenseman, I'd be willing to part with something else to make sure it happens.

(not B. Schenn or Couturier, though)
- bradleyc4

It sounds like both of those players have been in Poile's demands from the start. Its a no risk move by landing Weber. If he signs, you give up draft picks that are 95% sure to be late round picks. If they match, you move on.
If Poile is threatening to match unless they trade, then you walk. Trading schenn, cooter, read, voracek, etc. at this point is dumb because you are trading what they probably were asking for in the first place.

Please will everybody stop saying he gets paid $27m for one year.

In fact he gets paid $27m over a one year period. But, it covers two years of bonus and almost all his salary for both years.

Billionaire's who go into the business of buying sports franchise's (especially those in smaller markets) with the idea they are going to make a profit should not be owners. The only exception is the NFL which understands the concept of revenue sharing and its importance better than any other league.


Pony up the money Nashville, the cap hit is reasonable. History will tell you in order to win the cup you usually need a franchise defensemen.

we all want weber, but there are some intangible considerations here that will effect the outcome beyond just the dollars. for one, the poile experience with Stevens...and there are others.
- isaiah520

the stevens thing bothers him no doubt, but hes not the one writing the checks

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Weber Watch
- bmeltzer

what's most interesting to me here is that weber apparently has visited the area, and met with the top brass, and has said via his agent he'd like to play here. where does that nashville? paying crazy dollars to keep a player who doesn't want to be there, and moving him in a year or keeping him for an extended period, making things much worse. it's awkward for everyone.

for me, nashville has little choice but to decline to match. whether they can agree on return assets from philly is another matter, but it sems logical they would given the reasons you suggest. getting to the cap floor, excess d and salary on the flyers side.

i think this gets done.

to be clear, the frontloaded bonus money still counts toward the overall cap hit, correct?

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Weber Watch
- bmeltzer

The relationship between Homer and Poile is already in a shambles now, there's no reason to give up assets in an effort to smooth things over, with Poile, or with the League. The goal is to win a Stanley Cup, and getting Weber while not giving anything up from the current roster puts the Flyers much closer to that goal.

As for cap-compliance, it shouldn't be too tough for them to just make a few tweaks to get back under the upper-limit with Weber on board.

Please will everybody stop saying he gets paid $27m for one year.

In fact he gets paid $27m over a one year period. But, it covers two years of bonus and almost all his salary for both years.
- spatso

If theres a lockout than it could be 26 million for one year...come talk to us when you guys manage to sniff the playoffs.

we all want weber, but there are some intangible considerations here that will effect the outcome beyond just the dollars. for one, the poile experience with Stevens...and there are others.
- isaiah520

another point of view that now needs to be considered is do they bring back a guy who, at least through the voice of his agent, has made it clear he does not want to be a part of nashville any longer? He will be a malcontent, and the fans will turn on the franchise player who will be there for the next 14 years.
Remember how sour fans were when Lindros sat out and said he wanted out?