from what i hear, he said he "wants to move on"

at least that's what his agent said
- FlyerMike18

I think he definitely, one, wants that big money upfront. And two, wants to play for a big market team that tries to win every year, and has the resources to do all of that. I think that is his motivation.

Weber will have a NMC.
- MJL

It will be an amendment to the contract correct? Heard his agent say there isn't one, but I did read they could add an amendment.

It will be an amendment to the contract correct? Heard his agent say there isn't one, but I did read they could add an amendment.
- Flyers1218

Basically yes. Right now, there is no contract. All an Offer Sheet is, is an offer to enter into a contract with a team. An Offer Sheet contains, and only contains 3 things. Term, bonuses, and Paragraph 1 salary. That's it

This is exactly what an Offer Sheet is.

[New Club] hereby offers to enter into an NHL Standard Player's Contract ("SPC") with Player

containing the following Principal Terms:

1. Term of SPC:

2. Signing, Reporting, or Roster Bonus (if any): $

3. Paragraph 1 NHL Salary for each year of SPC: $

4. Paragraph 1 Minor League Salary, if any, for each year of SPC: $

Date: _______________
_______________________ __________________________
Player New Club

By:
Title:
cc: NHL Central Registry
NHLPA
[Prior Club]

I think he definitely, one, wants that big money upfront. And two, wants to play for a big market team that tries to win every year, and has the resources to do all of that. I think that is his motivation.
- MJL

i hear you, and maybe his preference to be somewhere else is the main factor

but imo, saying you want to move on means you don't want to be where you are. might not be a "you have to trade me or this will be a big problem" type situation, but it's expressing a desire to not be there

maybe that could be amended, who knows. but i agree with the opinion held by some that it's a pretty risky move to commit that much money to your captain who would rather be somewhere else

Again, that's just a term that was used.

Edit: Just looked through Dreger's tweets for the last 3 days. I didn't see a Tweet from Dreger saying that Nashville was shopping Weber.
- MJL

You are correct, he never said shopping. The tweets were:

"Nashville was working on a trade and its believed several deadlines passed before Flyers grew tired of waiting. Weber signed offer sheet."
".... Philly, NYR, Detroit, and San Jose were big players in Weber trade scenarios."
"Preds didn't have a ton of time to make a trade, but they did know of the Weber offer sheet Wed morning. Trade talk consumed most of the day."

Shopping isn't the correct move. But if they could "match any offer" as they said, why would it be so urgent to trade Shea Weber? Besides if the Flyers just gifted Poile like Burnside stated, wouldn't he let the Flyers make the offer and then match it? He wanted to get as much possible before the sheet came in because he knew if he didn't he was (frank)ed. To quote a great movie, "all he's got to do is stay down........... and now we're (frank)ed."

I don't think he necessarily is comfortable staying in Nashville. I think he truly believes they wouldn't match. But it's a combination of factors. First this "he will play anywhere notion" isn't true. He didn't want to play for the Rangers, his agent stated that. And I don't think Poile was trading him to the Wings. What I feel happened is when he visited the Flyers, they pulled out all the stops and he decided he wanted to play here. His agent instructed Nashville to get a deal done with the Flyers (at all cost POSSIBLE; doesn't mean it would happen) and when the Flyers and Preds couldn't agree the offer sheet came. Weber signed it because he wants out and if his agent keeps telling the world he wants out, as well as how front loaded the money was there is a really good chance he will get out of Nashville. Lastly, factor in the new CBA and Poile's propensity (for whatever reason; management etc.) to drag his feet this was his only option. I truly do believe he wants out and will tell the Preds so, if not already.

PS- This is all speculation so it doesn't need to be torn apart as fact.
- Flyers1218

his agent was quoted today as saying that there was no hard sell here. they visited other great teams in great cities, but philly was at the top in almost every category -what those categories were he didn't specify other than the tradition, history, etc. essentially it was a no brainer for shea.

I don't think he necessarily is comfortable staying in Nashville. I think he truly believes they wouldn't match. But it's a combination of factors. First this "he will play anywhere notion" isn't true. He didn't want to play for the Rangers, his agent stated that. And I don't think Poile was trading him to the Wings. What I feel happened is when he visited the Flyers, they pulled out all the stops and he decided he wanted to play here. His agent instructed Nashville to get a deal done with the Flyers (at all cost POSSIBLE; doesn't mean it would happen) and when the Flyers and Preds couldn't agree the offer sheet came. Weber signed it because he wants out and if his agent keeps telling the world he wants out, as well as how front loaded the money was there is a really good chance he will get out of Nashville. Lastly, factor in the new CBA and Poile's propensity (for whatever reason; management etc.) to drag his feet this was his only option. I truly do believe he wants out and will tell the Preds so, if not already.

PS- This is all speculation so it doesn't need to be torn apart as fact.
- Flyers1218

Nicely done. I agree.

Yes, I will confess that I was part of the discussion, specifically a round or two with you Joe. I was kinda defending someone elses argument, but I did agree.

So I will humbly eat crow and repent the error of my ways . I'm quite happy to be wrong on this!!!

PS: I never profess to be an expert tho, so I will slightly take issue with that comment.
- TheGreat28

comments like those that you took slight issue with are what is known as bait by the likes of me

Glad I missed that
- Richieattack18

why? aren't you part of the Bryzgalov sucks club?

i hear you, and maybe his preference to be somewhere else is the main factor

but imo, saying you want to move on means you don't want to be where you are. might not be a "you have to trade me or this will be a big problem" type situation, but it's expressing a desire to not be there

maybe that could be amended, who knows. but i agree with the opinion held by some that it's a pretty risky move to commit that much money to your captain who would rather be somewhere else
- FlyerMike18

Well then I would have to ask, why sign an Offer Sheet where a possible outcome of doing so, is that you'll be playing there for 14 years? Why not play one more year there, and then hit Free Agency?

I thinks it far more about securing a big long term deal and playing in a better situation as far as having a chance of winning a Cup, then of not wanting to be in Nashville. I realize that seems like the same thing, but I think there is a distinction there

Basically yes. Right now, there is no contract. All an Offer Sheet is, is an offer to enter into a contract with a team. An Offer Sheet contains, and only contains 3 things. Term, bonuses, and Paragraph 1 salary. That's it

This is exactly what an Offer Sheet is.


- MJL[New Club] hereby offers to enter into an NHL Standard Player's Contract ("SPC") with Player

containing the following Principal Terms:

1. Term of SPC:

2. Signing, Reporting, or Roster Bonus (if any): $

3. Paragraph 1 NHL Salary for each year of SPC: $

4. Paragraph 1 Minor League Salary, if any, for each year of SPC: $

Date: _______________
_______________________ __________________________
Player New Club

By:
Title:
cc: NHL Central Registry
NHLPA
[Prior Club]

That's really interesting - is there language in the CBA that provides for what would occur in the event the player and new club couldn't come to agreement on other terms? Surprised that the offer sheet doesn't at least provide catchall language regarding the other terms and conditions to be negotiated.

You are correct, he never said shopping. The tweets were:

"Nashville was working on a trade and its believed several deadlines passed before Flyers grew tired of waiting. Weber signed offer sheet."
".... Philly, NYR, Detroit, and San Jose were big players in Weber trade scenarios."
"Preds didn't have a ton of time to make a trade, but they did know of the Weber offer sheet Wed morning. Trade talk consumed most of the day."

Shopping isn't the correct move. But if they could "match any offer" as they said, why would it be so urgent to trade Shea Weber? Besides if the Flyers just gifted Poile like Burnside stated, wouldn't he let the Flyers make the offer and then match it? He wanted to get as much possible before the sheet came in because he knew if he didn't he was (frank)ed. To quote a great movie, "all he's got to do is stay down........... and now we're (frank)ed."
- Flyers1218

What Dreger is saying is that they knew ahead of time, that the OS was coming. All Nashville was doing was listening to offers. They'd prefer to re-sign Weber then trade him.

I think he definitely, one, wants that big money upfront. And two, wants to play for a big market team that tries to win every year, and has the resources to do all of that. I think that is his motivation.
- MJL

100% correct. I feel for Nashville in this situation. They want to keep him so badly because he means everything to that franchise. And they really are trying to be a big market, but they are obviously limited. And he figures he has given 7 years like a good soldier and wants to move on to a big market and win. And not worry about ownership, and play with other stars. And i can't fault him for that. Then factor in the Flyers who have a huge need, give the player what he wants, and then tries to work out a way to compensate Nashville, but can't possibly give value back to the them that is anywhere equivalent to what Weber means to them. Pretty cruddy situation if you ask me for everyone.

That's really interesting - is there language in the CBA that provides for what would occur in the event the player and new club couldn't come to agreement on other terms? Surprised that the offer sheet doesn't at least provide catchall language regarding the other terms and conditions to be negotiated.
- wilsonecho91

I don't think so. Really that's the nuts and bolts.

I don't think so. Really that's the nuts and bolts.
- MJL

if that's it, then unless there's a side agreement between Flyers and Weber that they'd give him one if he signed the OS, don't see any leverage for him to ask for it or reason for the Flyers to give him one.

Well then I would have to ask, why sign an Offer Sheet where a possible outcome of doing so, is that you'll be playing there for 14 years? Why not play one more year there, and then hit Free Agency?

I thinks it far more about securing a big long term deal and playing in a better situation as far as having a chance of winning a Cup, then of not wanting to be in Nashville. I realize that seems like the same thing, but I think there is a distinction there
- MJL

it definitely seems like that would be the best way to accomplish that goal

but i'm pretty sure the agent said also said something along the lines of we knew it was over when ryan left..... don't remember exactly and maybe i'm wrong

just saying, even if waiting would have made more sense, the comments definitely make it seem like he wants out

why? aren't you part of the Bryzgalov sucks club?
- JoeRussomanno

No, I thought he was very good the second half, even in the NJ series, except for a few plays but had a bad Pitt series, but still made key saves. Defense wasnt great in either series

100% correct. I feel for Nashville in this situation. They want to keep him so badly because he means everything to that franchise. And they really are trying to be a big market, but they are obviously limited. And he figures he has given 7 years like a good soldier and wants to move on to a big market and win. And not worry about ownership, and play with other stars. And i can't fault him for that. Then factor in the Flyers who have a huge need, give the player what he wants, and then tries to work out a way to compensate Nashville, but can't possibly give value back to the them that is anywhere equivalent to what Weber means to them. Pretty cruddy situation if you ask me for everyone.
- Flyers1218

not for the flyers, certainly not if they land him. weber's ready to move on. that's not on the flyers. and i think this is just as important as any other reason nashville will not match. why retain a player who doesn't want to be there, and deal with distractions all season, and have even less leverage in a year when trying to move him? it basically gives poile an out. weber gets to be the bad guy.

What Dreger is saying is that they knew ahead of time, that the OS was coming. All Nashville was doing was listening to offers. They'd prefer to re-sign Weber then trade him.
- MJL

Your prediction sir, Nashville match?

if that's it, then unless there's a side agreement between Flyers and Weber that they'd give him one if he signed the OS, don't see any leverage for him to ask for it or reason for the Flyers to give him one.
- wilsonecho91

do you think ANYTHING is done in this league without a side conversation?

Weber will have a NMC.
- MJL

I asked that a lot to media yesterday all I could get was he won't have a NTC but nothing about a NMC and some here yesterday kept saying with anger a offer sheet was not allowed to contain either of those clauses.

No, I thought he was very good the second half, even in the NJ series, except for a few plays but had a bad Pitt series, but still made key saves. Defense wasnt great in either series
- Richieattack18

k I lose track, sorry.

Your prediction sir, Nashville match?
- stveshdy

I still think they match. But I feel less strongly about it then I did yesterday. If that makes sense.

I asked that a lot to media yesterday all I could get was he won't have a NTC but nothing about a NMC and some here yesterday kept saying with anger a offer sheet was not allowed to contain either of those clauses.
- ob18

See my post above. The Media for the most part is clueless about the CBA. Especially the local media.

if that's it, then unless there's a side agreement between Flyers and Weber that they'd give him one if he signed the OS, don't see any leverage for him to ask for it or reason for the Flyers to give him one.
- wilsonecho91

He will definitely get one. He still has to sign on the dotted line on the SPC.