Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Perlini, Virtanen, Drafting Wingers, Quick Hits

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Perlini, Virtanen, Drafting Wingers, Quick Hits
- bmeltzer

Drafting a winger is exactly what they should do.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Perlini, Virtanen, Drafting Wingers, Quick Hits
- bmeltzer

Perlini reminds me of Drew Stafford... Virtanan a poor-man's Corey Perry.

i love the flyers and can't wait to see what hexy does to make them better. if the D prospects pan out, with a couple moves and they could be right there in a year or 2......excited for the draft and still hoping i can get to go.
happy fathers day to everyone

Perlini reminds me of Drew Stafford... Virtanan a poor-man's Corey Perry.
- Tomahawk

bill mentioned adrian kempe in last blog.....he looks like he has some upside. any chance he'll be there or that the flyers trade up?

bill mentioned adrian kempe in last blog.....he looks like he has some upside. any chance he'll be there or that the flyers trade up?
- hogweed

Kempe could go in the top-12, or fall into the 20's... this draft looks pretty impossible to predict.

bill mentioned adrian kempe in last blog.....he looks like he has some upside. any chance he'll be there or that the flyers trade up?
- hogweed

Yes, there is at least a 50-50 shot Kempe is there at 17. There is no one in this year's draft whom I'd personally want to see the Flyers trade up to get. The gap right now is not enough to justify spending an extra asset to move up.

Perlini reminds me of Drew Stafford... Virtanan a poor-man's Corey Perry.
- Tomahawk

Stafford is a pretty good comparison, I think.

Yes, there is at least a 50-50 shot Kempe is there at 17. There is no one in this year's draft whom I'd personally want to see the Flyers trade up to get. The gap right now is not enough to justify spending an extra asset to move up.
- bmeltzer

I agree with you 100% on this!

Yes, there is at least a 50-50 shot Kempe is there at 17. There is no one in this year's draft whom I'd personally want to see the Flyers trade up to get. The gap right now is not enough to justify spending an extra asset to move up.
- bmeltzer

If Richie is still on the board at 8 I would kick the tires of a move there to grab him. Not sure what the cost of moving up 9 spots would be but I would certainly think he'd eventually fit into the first line LW role we're trying to fill much better than a Virtinan type.

Drafting a winger is exactly what they should do.
- SuperSchennBros

Yes, stop mucking about with the alleged best player available (center )

Unless you have another deal in place( and Hexy's poker face has been good so far) you need to groom the low salary ELC people to fill the roles players as well the scoring wingers, as they move up the depth charts in the capanomics world.

I agree with Bill that playing people out of position is a negative in most cases for development

Yes, there is at least a 50-50 shot Kempe is there at 17. There is no one in this year's draft whom I'd personally want to see the Flyers trade up to get. The gap right now is not enough to justify spending an extra asset to move up.
- bmeltzer

Unless, of course there's a trade up to the top 3, which allows a shot at Ekblad, Bennett, Reinhart or Draisaitl

Looking forward to the draft, not only to see how well we draft when there are a lot of potential diamonds in the rough, but also to see what Hexy does his first year at the helm.

So, cause I have a few minutes:

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Jussi Jokinen ($3.500m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Chris Thorburn ($0.900m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Jason Akeson ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Tom Gilbert ($3.000m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Oliver Lauridsen ($0.600m) /
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Ray Emery ($1.200m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,838,333; BONUSES: $2,212,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $4,261,667

The above roster assumes trading VL and Grossmann without keeping any salary and signing Jokinen, Gilbert and Thorburn

Thoughts?

So, cause I have a few minutes:

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Jussi Jokinen ($3.500m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Chris Thorburn ($0.900m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Jason Akeson ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Tom Gilbert ($3.000m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Oliver Lauridsen ($0.600m) /
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Ray Emery ($1.200m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,838,333; BONUSES: $2,212,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $4,261,667

The above roster assumes trading VL and Grossmann without keeping any salary and signing Jokinen, Gilbert and Thorburn

Thoughts?
- BiggE

I think Jokinen is gonna cost about $1mm more than you have him at, and I really do think Read can slide up and be as good or better than him.

I like Gilbert, probably cheaper than Stralman will be.

So, cause I have a few minutes:

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Jussi Jokinen ($3.500m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Chris Thorburn ($0.900m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Jason Akeson ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Tom Gilbert ($3.000m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Oliver Lauridsen ($0.600m) /
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Ray Emery ($1.200m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,838,333; BONUSES: $2,212,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $4,261,667

The above roster assumes trading VL and Grossmann without keeping any salary and signing Jokinen, Gilbert and Thorburn

Thoughts?
- BiggE

Pretty much the exact same roster I would make if I had time. It's so easy when Kimmo only makes 2mil isn't it?

So, cause I have a few minutes:

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Jussi Jokinen ($3.500m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Chris Thorburn ($0.900m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Jason Akeson ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Tom Gilbert ($3.000m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Oliver Lauridsen ($0.600m) /
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Ray Emery ($1.200m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,838,333; BONUSES: $2,212,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $4,261,667

The above roster assumes trading VL and Grossmann without keeping any salary and signing Jokinen, Gilbert and Thorburn

Thoughts?
- BiggE

that defense isn't touching a cup

I think Jokinen is gonna cost about $1mm more than you have him at, and I really do think Read can slide up and be as good or better than him.

I like Gilbert, probably cheaper than Stralman will be.
- Jsaquella

I like Jokinen but not at more than 4 million max. I agree with you about Read, I just think the deeper they can make the forward corps, the more pressure it takes off the D, and if you can add a guy like Jokinen, they would really be strong up front.

I also figured that Gilbert can give you pretty much what Stralman does but at 1.5-2 million cheaper. The Rags playoff run almost certainly has driven the price for Stralman up.

that defense isn't touching a cup
- Winning

Honestly, I can't see any reasonable move that they are going to make that would make them a serious cup contender next season. Realistically they are at least one if not two seasons away from reaching that level.

Pretty much the exact same roster I would make if I had time. It's so easy when Kimmo only makes 2mil isn't it?
- FlyersSteve118

Yeah, Timonen really stepped up, I love that guy!!

Honestly, I can't see any reasonable move that they are going to make that would make them a serious cup contender next season. Realistically they are at least one if not two seasons away from reaching that level.
- BiggE

Realistically they will ruin Ghost and Hagg. Just like they ruined Parent and Sbisa and Pitkanen etc

Honestly, I can't see any reasonable move that they are going to make that would make them a serious cup contender next season. Realistically they are at least one if not two seasons away from reaching that level.
- BiggE

No move is worth it because prices for even just a borderline first pair defenseman are astronomical.

Gonna have to just deal with it.

I think Jokinen is gonna cost about $1mm more than you have him at, and I really do think Read can slide up and be as good or better than him.

I like Gilbert, probably cheaper than Stralman will be.
- Jsaquella

I agree Stralman is going to be a big winner in free agency after his post season. I think he will get between $4 and $5 million. I wouldn't mind taking a run at Hainsey. Another good mentor for the young guys coming up, a little tread left on the tire, and probably can get him for around $3-$3.5 million/yr.

Realistically they will ruin Ghost and Hagg. Just like they ruined Parent and Sbisa and Pitkanen etc
- Winning

I like Jokinen but not at more than 4 million max. I agree with you about Read, I just think the deeper they can make the forward corps, the more pressure it takes off the D, and if you can add a guy like Jokinen, they would really be strong up front.

I also figured that Gilbert can give you pretty much what Stralman does but at 1.5-2 million cheaper. The Rags playoff run almost certainly has driven the price for Stralman up.
- BiggE

I agree that making a deeper forward group helps the defense, but at the same time, there's other options available that will be cheaper and easier fits. I wouldn't hesitate to slide Read up to the top 6, and use an internal guy to replace him on the third line. Raffl, Laughton, Bellemare, Akeson are all guys that can play a bit and probably can give the Flyers a solid third line for cheap.