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Todd Cordell
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.05.2011

Aug 20 @ 11:35 AM ET
Todd Cordell: A Look At The NHL's Best Forward/Defense Duos
jvar17
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Cherry Hill, NJ
Joined: 08.18.2014

Aug 20 @ 12:44 PM ET
What about stamkos and hedman
TRDevil
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toms River, NJ
Joined: 04.04.2014

Aug 20 @ 1:43 PM ET
What Todd sees while watching hockey lol

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 20 @ 1:43 PM ET
I think this is the first time that Braydon Coburn and "great" have been positively associated.
TRDevil
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toms River, NJ
Joined: 04.04.2014

Aug 20 @ 1:45 PM ET
Todd Cordell: A Look At The NHL's Best Forward/Defense Duos
- Todd.Cordell


I wonder if Cammalleri will put up some good numbers, and if so with what D?
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Aug 20 @ 1:54 PM ET
Todd Cordell: A Look At The NHL's Best Forward/Defense Duos
- Todd.Cordell

Not surprised by backlund/Giordano

I would love for both to suit up for the Debbie's one day
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Aug 20 @ 1:55 PM ET
What about stamkos and hedman
- jvar17

My guess is they sucked or didn't play over 400 minutes together
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Aug 20 @ 1:55 PM ET
What Todd sees while watching hockey lol


- TRDevil

shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Aug 20 @ 1:56 PM ET
I wonder if Cammalleri will put up some good numbers, and if so with what D?
- TRDevil

My guess is Greene or Larsson
njdevils350
Joined: 06.21.2011

Aug 20 @ 2:01 PM ET
Just to put a different spin on things,

I think that shows a big part of the problems the Devils had last season. They are not a deep offensive team. Certainly not as deep as the teams that are higher on that list. They need to have more balanced scoring. Not coincidentally the top teams on the chart are either A. Without argument the deepest teams in the league or B. Bad teams that need to have more offensive balance.

Taking nothing away from Jagr or Zidlicky, they each had very good seasons based on their standards. And certainly the Devils are better than the Flames and the Jets, I believe, however that has a lot to do with the net at the other end of the ice.


Quick side note, I hope they bring in Todd Bertuzzi for a look. Gives the 4th line a different look (thereby increasing the options on which forwards to move) and has some good shootout moves.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Aug 20 @ 2:05 PM ET
Just to put a different spin on things,

I think that shows a big part of the problems the Devils had last season. They are not a deep offensive team. Certainly not as deep as the teams that are higher on that list. They need to have more balanced scoring. Not coincidentally the top teams on the chart are either A. Without argument the deepest teams in the league or B. Bad teams that need to have more offensive balance.

Taking nothing away from Jagr or Zidlicky, they each had very good seasons based on their standards. And certainly the Devils are better than the Flames and the Jets, I believe, however that has a lot to do with the net at the other end of the ice.


Quick side note, I hope they bring in Todd Bertuzzi for a look. Gives the 4th line a different look (thereby increasing the options on which forwards to move) and has some good shootout moves.

- njdevils350

Absolutely not


No no no no no no
njdevils350
Joined: 06.21.2011

Aug 20 @ 3:02 PM ET
Absolutely not


No no no no no no

- shvingter88



But...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYRsSXMjO8E

Because...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b-FsOAajU4

And Then...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9km93tvtS0
CaptCrankypants
New Jersey Devils
Location: None of your business
Joined: 04.27.2014

Aug 20 @ 3:48 PM ET
But...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYRsSXMjO8E

Because...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b-FsOAajU4

And Then...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9km93tvtS0

- njdevils350

Still not a good reason to sign someone.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Aug 20 @ 4:06 PM ET
But...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYRsSXMjO8E

Because...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b-FsOAajU4

And Then...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9km93tvtS0

- njdevils350

2011

2012

2011


How'd he do last year? The guy has been over the hill for a while now. There is very good reason he hasn't been signed.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Aug 20 @ 4:07 PM ET
Especially bertuzzi. Just what we need another washed up player taking a spot from a younger player.
TRDevil
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toms River, NJ
Joined: 04.04.2014

Aug 20 @ 4:32 PM ET
Kevin Hayes to the Rangers, I knew I didn't like him, now I have even more of a reason.

njdevils350
Joined: 06.21.2011

Aug 20 @ 4:46 PM ET
Pretty sure age is going to have very little effect of shooutout ability. Perhaps none at all. Age effects skating ability, strength, and injuries more than anything. Joe Sakic could still had the best wrist shot in the game when he retired, and he played well into his 40's, I believe.

Proof,

2013 on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BqxJfJx79w (Awesome stop)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8qO2Pp25do



He was 1 for 7 last year, but the idea that he somehow isn't good at it anymore because he's old is just silly. He should certainly be good enough to compete with the likes of Steve Bernier and Michael Ryder.

Further, you'll note that my implication was quite obviously in the context of a camp tryout contract. If a younger player like Whitney or Matteau out plays him, so be it. The best player certainly deserves the spot. Competition is never a bad thing. However, to argue that he is not an effective shootout forward because of his age....would be incorrect.
bobert836
New Jersey Devils
Location: Buying a dolphin and putting it in your swimming pool makes more sense, BC
Joined: 06.19.2010

Aug 20 @ 7:41 PM ET
Pretty sure age is going to have very little effect of shooutout ability. Perhaps none at all. Age effects skating ability, strength, and injuries more than anything. Joe Sakic could still had the best wrist shot in the game when he retired, and he played well into his 40's, I believe.

Proof,

2013 on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BqxJfJx79w (Awesome stop)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8qO2Pp25do



He was 1 for 7 last year, but the idea that he somehow isn't good at it anymore because he's old is just silly. He should certainly be good enough to compete with the likes of Steve Bernier and Michael Ryder.

Further, you'll note that my implication was quite obviously in the context of a camp tryout contract. If a younger player like Whitney or Matteau out plays him, so be it. The best player certainly deserves the spot. Competition is never a bad thing. However, to argue that he is not an effective shootout forward because of his age....would be incorrect.

- njdevils350


They already have 14 forwards with Carter waiting to be signed and Boucher and Matteau knocking on the door. How much competition do you really want?

Also you don't sign a guy purely for the shootout thats just dumb
bobert836
New Jersey Devils
Location: Buying a dolphin and putting it in your swimming pool makes more sense, BC
Joined: 06.19.2010

Aug 20 @ 7:41 PM ET
Especially bertuzzi. Just what we need another washed up player taking a spot from a younger player.
- shvingter88


And another guy with legal issues
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Aug 20 @ 7:51 PM ET
Kevin Hayes to the Rangers, I knew I didn't like him, now I have even more of a reason.


- TRDevil

Stupid rangers, always thinking their the poop.
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Aug 20 @ 7:52 PM ET
Silly, sillier, silliest.
K-dizzle
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.28.2011

Aug 20 @ 7:56 PM ET
And another guy with legal issues
- bobert836

He's old. Washed up and with legal issues.. Lou signs him book it
FLdevilsFAN
New Jersey Devils
Location: Balls Deep, AK
Joined: 07.08.2010

Aug 20 @ 8:49 PM ET
He's old. Washed up and with legal issues.. Lou signs him book it
- K-dizzle

He'll fit right in.

Put him on a line with Clowe & Zubrus and watch shart hit the fan!

Well, for 10-20 games until Clowe gets hurt again I suppose.
njdevils350
Joined: 06.21.2011

Aug 20 @ 8:50 PM ET
They already have 14 forwards with Carter waiting to be signed and Boucher and Matteau knocking on the door. How much competition do you really want?

Also you don't sign a guy purely for the shootout thats just dumb


Your reading comprehension is poor. I didn't say sign him just for the shootout. I said he would certainly help in the shootout.

Then I said if Whitney, Matteau, or anyone else beat him out, so be it.

Boucher isn't knocking on the door. His strength on the puck isnt there yet. It will be another year.

For a team that's trying to work it's way back to the upper-echelon of the league I would prefer a lot of competition, actually.
bobert836
New Jersey Devils
Location: Buying a dolphin and putting it in your swimming pool makes more sense, BC
Joined: 06.19.2010

Aug 20 @ 9:34 PM ET
Your reading comprehension is poor. I didn't say sign him just for the shootout. I said he would certainly help in the shootout.

Then I said if Whitney, Matteau, or anyone else beat him out, so be it.

Boucher isn't knocking on the door. His strength on the puck isnt there yet. It will be another year.

For a team that's trying to work it's way back to the upper-echelon of the league I would prefer a lot of competition, actually.

- njdevils350


Alright, I'll bite, lets say you did actually say something about him besides that he's good in the shootout. I apologize why don't you reiterate why Bertuzzi would be a good idea other than the shootout because I obviously missed it in your previous posts.

And yes you want competition but 4th liners don't move you into the "upper-echelon"
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