Jared Crozier: Senators Tame Coyotes 5-1; Ryan & Hoffman Columbus Bound!

From previous blog----

realistically they have to resign methot and I think they will..i know many want to see a full tank and thats fine, but methot stabilizes karlsson which is probably the most important thing for this team....anderson im on the fence...if they can get a good return then im on board with a trade, but i wouldnt be upset about keeping him

the reality this team isnt going to be a bottom 5 team...so might as well be competitive at least..they will still end up top 10 in pick i think either way...and frankly of they sneak into the playoffs im fine with that...its exciting to watch and helps build the fanbase

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You know what concerns me most though Mike - this team doesn't win 3 consecutive games. It's something they can't do and it's very disturbing. Completely forget about playoffs and trade Anderson, Methot (no way he's worth more than 4.5), Legwand, Neil, Greening (retain $ and get a pick, I don't care) and anyone else not needed in 2 years.

Unless they put together like 2 regulation losses in 10 games - this team can't afford to fall into the mediocre club.

If not spending in free agency and not drafting in top 10 - how many Ceci and Lazar's can you snatch? (not like Ceci is Doughty anyways)

Line Combos going forward:

MacArthur - Turris - Stone [a]
Hoffman - Zibanejad - Ryan [a]
Condra - Pageau - Lazar
Michalek - Legwand - Chiasson

Methot - Karlsson
Cowen - Ceci
Wiercioch - Phillips*
(rotate Gryba/Boro if needed)

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You know what concerns me most though Mike - this team doesn't win 3 consecutive games. It's something they can't do and it's very disturbing. Completely forget about playoffs and trade Anderson, Methot (no way he's worth more than 4.5), Legwand, Neil, Greening (retain $ and get a pick, I don't care) and anyone else not needed in 2 years.

Unless they put together like 2 regulation losses in 10 games - this team can't afford to fall into the mediocre club.

If not spending in free agency and not drafting in top 10 - how many Ceci and Lazar's can you snatch? (not like Ceci is Doughty anyways)
- AlfieisKing

Karlsson at 15.

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You know what concerns me most though Mike - this team doesn't win 3 consecutive games. It's something they can't do and it's very disturbing. Completely forget about playoffs and trade Anderson, Methot (no way he's worth more than 4.5), Legwand, Neil, Greening (retain $ and get a pick, I don't care) and anyone else not needed in 2 years.

Unless they put together like 2 regulation losses in 10 games - this team can't afford to fall into the mediocre club.

If not spending in free agency and not drafting in top 10 - how many Ceci and Lazar's can you snatch? (not like Ceci is Doughty anyways)
- AlfieisKing

Mike Hoffman at 130
Mark Stone at 170

Daniel Alfredsson at 133.


Look not to pile on but this team has great history in scouting great players late in drafts. And as pointed out its happened recently in 1st rounds too...

I get that you want an Eichel or McDavid, but it isn't happening.

Mike Hoffman at 130
Mark Stone at 170

Daniel Alfredsson at 133.


Look not to pile on but this team has great history in scouting great players late in drafts. And as pointed out its happened recently in 1st rounds too...

I get that you want an Eichel or McDavid, but it isn't happening.
- Jordo

This is "supposedly" the best draft in many years. The talent pool is very deep. Many believe that everyone taken in the first round will have a strong chance of being a good NHL player. But very difficult to nail down ranking of 3 through 15. And there should be some outstanding guys 16 through 30.

Right now you might seriously want to think of ways of getting a 2nd first round pick.

The contrarian position would have you think about trading your first round pick during draft week. $C is now at $.84US. This is well below the $.87 Bill Daly said was necessary to support an increase in cap. If cap goes down their will be blood in the street as a bunch of teams try to restructure to get under cap (Boston, Philadelphia, Rangers, Toronto, Montreal, Chicago, LA). A first round pick should gain a huge return.

But, I think it would be a mistake and I totally oppose the Senators doing any deal for Phil Kessel.

This is "supposedly" the best draft in many years. The talent pool is very deep. Many believe that everyone taken in the first round will have a strong chance of being a good NHL player. But very difficult to nail down ranking of 3 through 15. And there should be some outstanding guys 16 through 30.

Right now you might seriously want to think of ways of getting a 2nd first round pick.

The contrarian position would have you think about trading your first round pick during draft week. $C is now at $.84US. This is well below the $.87 Bill Daly said was necessary to support an increase in cap. If cap goes down their will be blood in the street as a bunch of teams try to restructure to get under cap (Boston, Philadelphia, Rangers, Toronto, Montreal, Chicago, LA). A first round pick should gain a huge return.

But, I think it would be a mistake and I totally oppose the Senators doing any deal for Phil Kessel.
- spatso

Kessel hasn't even been mentioned in relation to Ottawa and no chance they deal him to Ottawa anyway.

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You know what concerns me most though Mike - this team doesn't win 3 consecutive games. It's something they can't do and it's very disturbing. Completely forget about playoffs and trade Anderson, Methot (no way he's worth more than 4.5), Legwand, Neil, Greening (retain $ and get a pick, I don't care) and anyone else not needed in 2 years.

Unless they put together like 2 regulation losses in 10 games - this team can't afford to fall into the mediocre club.

If not spending in free agency and not drafting in top 10 - how many Ceci and Lazar's can you snatch? (not like Ceci is Doughty anyways)
- AlfieisKing

Totally agree. This team has no chance of contending this season or next. At the very least they should move Anderson while his value is high. You have to think that a team like Minny would over pay to acquire him and the starting point of the deal would be their 1st rounder.

Lehner takes over as the starter and then Sens get a pick between 5-10. Now you have two picks in a fairly deep draft and can either use those picks or possibly see what the return would be if you traded them to another team.

In regards to Methot, if I'm Murray I offer a 4y 16m deal. You tell him to thank his agent for being greedy at the start of the season and don't budge from that offer.

Kessel hasn't even been mentioned in relation to Ottawa and no chance they deal him to Ottawa anyway.
- ClarksonDavid

that seemed to come out of nowhere in his comment too haha

Ok, I'd love for us to get an 'awesome return' on Anderson, but honestly... Let's remember that for a goalie an 'awesome return' is pretty mediocre.

Lars Eller and an ECHLer for Halak? Vermette for Leclaire and a 2nd? Miller and Ott for a Halak, Stewart, a late first in a weaker draft, and a couple of throw-ins? Luongo and Kracijek to for Auld and Allen and bertuzzi? Luongo back to Florida for Shawn Matthias and Jacob 'waiver clearance' Backstrom?

The really last great return for a veteran goalie might be Tomas Vokoun going to Florida. Cory Schneider for a 1st was better, but since Schneider was young and highly touted I don't think we could expect that kind of return unless we trade Lehner.

So... Do we want to trade Anderson for a 2nd, a B-grade prospect and a conditional 4th just to maybe slip a couple spots in the standings? I don't, that's for sure, but I guess that's because I don't believe we are bad enough to contend for McEichel with or without him.

But, I think it would be a mistake and I totally oppose the Senators doing any deal for Phil Kessel.
- spatso

What a strange remark. Trying to get everyone's goat I suspect. Kessel is a goal-scoring machine, but he also has the worst personality in the NHL. I'd rather lose games than have that messing up the dressing room.

What a strange remark. Trying to get everyone's goat I suspect. Kessel is a goal-scoring machine, but he also has the worst personality in the NHL. I'd rather lose games than have that messing up the dressing room.
- sgoodwin

Has no clue what he's talking about ^^^^ do you know him personally or you just listen to toronto medias poop.

Has no clue what he's talking about ^^^^ do you know him personally or you just listen to toronto medias poop.
- ClarksonDavid

Kessel is an introvert, pretty obviously. Kinda awkward publicly, to say the least. I guess not being the prototypical alpha male makes him the worst personality in the league

Anyways, on the media bullish*t front, isn't Phaneuf supposed to be the one hockey players hate? I thought it was only the media that really hated Kessel

Kessel is an introvert, pretty obviously. Kinda awkward publicly, to say the least. I guess not being the prototypical alpha male makes him the worst personality in the league

Anyways, on the media bullish*t front, isn't Phaneuf supposed to be the one hockey players hate? I thought it was only the media that really hated Kessel
- Mr_Clean

Yeah haha he just doesn't like the media and can you blame him? I haven't really heard he's hated by teammates or anything like that. I'm not sure about phaneuf, I know in Calgary he wasn't well liked but maybe he's changed? Seems good with young guys

Ok, I'd love for us to get an 'awesome return' on Anderson, but honestly... Let's remember that for a goalie an 'awesome return' is pretty mediocre.

Lars Eller and an ECHLer for Halak? Vermette for Leclaire and a 2nd? Miller and Ott for a Halak, Stewart, a late first in a weaker draft, and a couple of throw-ins? Luongo and Kracijek to for Auld and Allen and bertuzzi? Luongo back to Florida for Shawn Matthias and Jacob 'waiver clearance' Backstrom?

The really last great return for a veteran goalie might be Tomas Vokoun going to Florida. Cory Schneider for a 1st was better, but since Schneider was young and highly touted I don't think we could expect that kind of return unless we trade Lehner.

So... Do we want to trade Anderson for a 2nd, a B-grade prospect and a conditional 4th just to maybe slip a couple spots in the standings? I don't, that's for sure, but I guess that's because I don't believe we are bad enough to contend for McEichel with or without him.
- Mr_Clean

the big difference with andy and most of your examples is that:

1. he's signed to a great contract. the dollars are great, and the term isn't too long. most of your examples either had brutal contracts, or were UFAs.

2. sens dont HAVE to move him. schneider was only moved cuz luongo was almost unmoveable, and they HAD to trade one of them.

i think andy would fetch at least a 1st, maybe a prospect too.

the big difference with andy and most of your examples is that:

1. he's signed to a great contract. the dollars are great, and the term isn't too long. most of your examples either had brutal contracts, or were UFAs.

2. sens dont HAVE to move him. schneider was only moved cuz luongo was almost unmoveable, and they HAD to trade one of them.

i think andy would fetch at least a 1st, maybe a prospect too.
- sensarmy_11

Huh? Leclaire wasn't very expensive and much younger. Halak was an RFA. Schneider was much, much younger and a pending RFA still on a very cheap deal. The first Luongo trade wasn't under the gun, and he was widely considered to a be an elite goaltender at the time - Anderson isn't. And Miller was an expiring contract.

If you can point me to some examples of where an ageing goaltender was traded for a first and a prospect, I'll be happy to retract my statement. But as it stands right now, if Cory Conacher gets you Ben Bishop, I don't see the incentive to give up a first in a stacked draft to get an *arguably* top-ten goalie.

Huh? Leclaire wasn't very expensive and much younger. Halak was an RFA. Schneider was much, much younger and a pending RFA still on a very cheap deal. The first Luongo trade wasn't under the gun, and he was widely considered to a be an elite goaltender at the time - Anderson isn't. And Miller was an expiring contract.

If you can point me to some examples of where an ageing goaltender was traded for a first and a prospect, I'll be happy to retract my statement. But as it stands right now, if Cory Conacher gets you Ben Bishop, I don't see the incentive to give up a first in a stacked draft to get an *arguably* top-ten goalie.
- Mr_Clean

varlamov was traded for a 1st and 2nd, at a time when he wasnt half the goalie andy is right now.

I like Kessel as a player. But, I would prefer that Ottawa continue to give priority to developing players through the draft.

I like Kessel as a player. But, I would prefer that Ottawa continue to give priority to developing players through the draft.
- spatso

varlamov was traded for a 1st and 2nd, at a time when he wasnt half the goalie andy is right now.
- sensarmy_11

I think Andy could get a good return. We won't be getting a high draft pick for him though. The only reason the Caps got a nice 1st rounder was because the Avs performed worse than expected. There was a risk/reward with that trade. We'd be trading him at the draft. Teams won't dish out high picks for a goalie in his mid 30s. I don't think we will move Andy, but I would like to see it done. He's the only guy left on the roster that we could part with to get a decent package.

varlamov was traded for a 1st and 2nd, at a time when he wasnt half the goalie andy is right now.
- sensarmy_11

Yeah, and that was a bad trade for Colorado

Look, if someone wants to give us a 1st and a prospect for Andy I'd be happy to make the trade. I just think it's unlikely!

I think something like Andy to stl for Elliot and a 1st is conceivable, and would be an absolutely hilarious bit of symmetry if it got us a high pick like it did for the Avs that year.

Karlsson at 15.
- spatso

Yes. Karlsson, Ceci, Lazar. Good picks. Karlsson was a home run - grand slam. But anyone else top line players?

Mike Hoffman at 130
Mark Stone at 170

Daniel Alfredsson at 133.
- Jordo

Right because Hoffman and Stone are all stars (Hoffman is going because he's a rookie; so did Greening)

Look if you want to face facts let's face them -- this team is a budget team and Brian Murray is hired to save the owner $. I know someone that spoke to Murray first hand - was told in Anaheim to cut losses. It's what owners and gms do. What I hate to see is when fans pour their emotion (AND hard earned $) into these teams and don't get quality back.

If this team continues they'll end up with a good team that possibly can contend but what happened since two years ago; when all these players and prospects were trending up. You let Bishop go for nothing. Lost Alfie for nothing and acquired Bobby Ryan who might be on this team contending when he's close to 30.

I'd do Anderson + Methot resigned to MIN for Brodin + goalie + 2nd

Brodin - Karlsson
Cowen - Ceci

for years. And don't tell me that trade isn't fair

I'd do Anderson + Methot resigned to MIN for Brodin + goalie + 2nd

Brodin - Karlsson
Cowen - Ceci

for years. And don't tell me that trade isn't fair
- AlfieisKing

It might be fair, but sign and trades never happen.