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Antilles
St Louis Blues |
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Joined: 10.17.2008
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Outside of age, almost everything being said about Kane was said about Chris Stewart a year ago. |
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leonwaldo420
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Never In Canada Joined: 06.30.2008
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Outside of age, almost everything being said about Kane was said about Chris Stewart a year ago. - Antilles
Cool, maybe we can trade him to the Jets for Myers. |
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DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche |
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Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB Joined: 07.24.2009
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Outside of age, almost everything being said about Kane was said about Chris Stewart a year ago. - Antilles
Naw, we were saying that about Stewy when he was with the Avs |
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GARTH'S CORNER: Happily Ever Evander - garth
kane isn't a special player. how anyone can say or imply otherwise makes for good conversation.
buffalo sabres brand? now that is funny. |
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uf1910
Tampa Bay Lightning |
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Location: Excuseville, FL Joined: 06.29.2011
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Outside of age, almost everything being said about Kane was said about Chris Stewart a year ago. - Antilles
Except Kane had and still has more athletic ability than Stewart ever did. Stewart was always a big body who skated slow, Kane is a big body but skates fast.
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uf1910
Tampa Bay Lightning |
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Location: Excuseville, FL Joined: 06.29.2011
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kane isn't a special player. how anyone can say or imply otherwise makes for good conversation.
buffalo sabres brand? now that is funny. - rinaldo
He has the potential to be a special player. At 23 he is far from reaching his peak.
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He has the potential to be a special player. At 23 he is far from reaching his peak. - uf1910
disagree he doesn't have potential to be a special player. Maybe a very good one, not special.
is it also possible that he has reached his peak? |
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24Cups
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: Buffalo, NY Joined: 02.23.2007
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"More to come....."
Please, no. |
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uf1910
Tampa Bay Lightning |
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Location: Excuseville, FL Joined: 06.29.2011
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disagree he doesn't have potential to be a special player. Maybe a very good one, not special.
is it also possible that he has reached his peak? - rinaldo
I guess it is subjective to your definition of special. The true "power forward" is a rarity today and Kane definitely qualifies as a power forward. With his combination of size, athletic ability, and skill he has a chance to be a game-changing forward. If given the opportunity (which he should get in Buffalo given their relative weakness at forward), he should be able to consistently give you 20 goals/yr at a minimum but honestly I would put that nearer to 30. Now is he "special" in that he will be the facilitator of his line, no I don't believe that. But to me as a power forward that's not his responsibility. Shoot, hit, and overall play a big man's game is his job and he should be able to do that as he's always done. The uptick in stats that I believe will come stems from a consistent if not permanent top 6 or top line presence.
Personally I don't see how anyone can argue that he has reached his peak. He has spent too much time not on a scoring line to say he can't get better. Everyone who points to his stats (or lack thereof) as reasoning for this also needs to account for how or why he didn't produce to those levels.
There is obviously risk involved from a Sabres perspective, not denying that. But from a rebuild timeline perspective Kane not only fills a need but also fits that timeline better than Myers.
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kane isn't a special player. how anyone can say or imply otherwise makes for good conversation.
buffalo sabres brand? now that is funny. - rinaldo
He's a top 3 forward on almost any team. On average, he would be a team's best forward.
He's pretty good. |
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I guess it is subjective to your definition of special. The true "power forward" is a rarity today and Kane definitely qualifies as a power forward. With his combination of size, athletic ability, and skill he has a chance to be a game-changing forward. If given the opportunity (which he should get in Buffalo given their relative weakness at forward), he should be able to consistently give you 20 goals/yr at a minimum but honestly I would put that nearer to 30. Now is he "special" in that he will be the facilitator of his line, no I don't believe that. But to me as a power forward that's not his responsibility. Shoot, hit, and overall play a big man's game is his job and he should be able to do that as he's always done. The uptick in stats that I believe will come stems from a consistent if not permanent top 6 or top line presence.
Personally I don't see how anyone can argue that he has reached his peak. He has spent too much time not on a scoring line to say he can't get better. Everyone who points to his stats (or lack thereof) as reasoning for this also needs to account for how or why he didn't produce to those levels.
There is obviously risk involved from a Sabres perspective, not denying that. But from a rebuild timeline perspective Kane not only fills a need but also fits that timeline better than Myers. - uf1910
not arguing that he has reached his peak. You also have to take into consideration that it is possible he has. not saying he has but it is a possibility no?
he has hit 30 goals once. when he can consistently get to that level then the conversation can change to his he special. Crosby is special. stamkos special. kane not special.
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He's a top 3 forward on almost any team. On average, he would be a team's best forward.
He's pretty good. - McGallagher
he isn't a special player. if you want to believe that your entitled to your opinion. then Crosby is super duper special.
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uf1910
Tampa Bay Lightning |
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Location: Excuseville, FL Joined: 06.29.2011
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not arguing that he has reached his peak. You also have to take into consideration that it is possible he has. not saying he has but it is a possibility no?
he has hit 30 goals once. when he can consistently get to that level then the conversation can change to his he special. Crosby is special. stamkos special. kane not special. - rinaldo
Of course its a possibility. That's why I said there is risk involved for the Sabres. But there's also risk involving Myers on whether he can take the next step as a d-man. Simply 2 more examples of the ever-present dilemma for teams to balance between potential and present-day value/on-ice contribution.
I will agree that he has to hit those levels to graduate to special status. This is also why I bolded potential before special when I made my initial post.
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TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY Joined: 05.05.2011
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he isn't a special player. if you want to believe that your entitled to your opinion. then Crosby is super duper special. - rinaldo
Or maybe special means rare. Which in this case, Crosby and Kane are special. |
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SuperCat
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Buffalo , NY Joined: 11.20.2006
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Trade Chris Stewart & a 2015 first rd pick (via NYI) to Boston, for Malcom Subban.
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BluemanGuruu
St Louis Blues |
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Location: trustinjarmo knows nothing, MO Joined: 06.28.2007
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BluemanGuruu
St Louis Blues |
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Location: trustinjarmo knows nothing, MO Joined: 06.28.2007
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He has the potential to be a special player. At 23 he is far from reaching his peak. - uf1910
Did't the Sabres already go through two former 30 goal scoring first rounders and one is still there that twice put up 28 goals? None of which were thirty years of age with them? I just wanted to make sure I understand. |
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notalent
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: lake placid, NY Joined: 02.26.2011
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Gotta wish Staff and Myers a good run at the playoffs and hopefully a cup run...some good character, skill and humor (Drew) leaving the town.
It was interesting to hear Travis Yost, former infamous Ottawa hockeybuzz blogger, on WGR Yesterday. He's a TSN analytics person now and was raving about E. Kane's advanced stats...they were seriously impressive and the reason the Sabres gave up so much future in the deal.
For all the "Tanker" fans out there...anybody just a little worried that Teddy Nolan has been put in the crosshairs, beaten up along the ropes and he just might harness a run out of this "island of misfit toys"? If you were him, wouldn't you just write 'Beat Edmonton' on the chalkboard and make that your teams only goal...cuz like f**k Tim Murray sorta hangin' him out to dry? And to be clear...I want them to finish 30th!! And I love Tim Murray.....But Teddy, geez, he doesn't really deserve to get thrown under the bus for this mess. |
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Vancouver would be insane to trade Virtanen for almost anything. |
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BeatStriker
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Vancouver, BC Joined: 10.04.2014
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well the Sabres better win the cup in the next 3 years because Kane contract ends and will become a UFA in 3 years and the Canucks will immediately grab him. by the time Kane is at his peak point, that is when he is a Canuck player. I'll bet Kane will continue to act like a d*** until he gets traded to Vancity |
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Djtyczy
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: New Haven, CT Joined: 03.09.2013
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well the Sabres better win the cup in the next 3 years because Kane contract ends and will become a UFA in 3 years and the Canucks will immediately grab him. by the time Kane is at his peak point, that is when he is a Canuck player. I'll bet Kane will continue to act like a d*** until he gets traded to Vancity - BeatStriker
Yeah.... I'll bet my life savings that he's not gonna leave playing with McDavid/Eichel. You can dream tho |
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Djtyczy
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: New Haven, CT Joined: 03.09.2013
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not arguing that he has reached his peak. You also have to take into consideration that it is possible he has. not saying he has but it is a possibility no?
he has hit 30 goals once. when he can consistently get to that level then the conversation can change to his he special. Crosby is special. stamkos special. kane not special. - rinaldo
His numbers are similar to Seguin with the bruins, Nash with the bluejackets early in his career. Hes gonna have an elite #1 center dishing him the puck the rest of his career, we have no doubt he'll score 40 multiple times. |
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BeatStriker
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Vancouver, BC Joined: 10.04.2014
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Yeah.... I'll bet my life savings that he's not gonna leave playing with McDavid/Eichel. You can dream tho - Djtyczy
Kane doesn't care about winning the cup. All he cares about is money, Canucks, money.........and MONEY |
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Djtyczy
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: New Haven, CT Joined: 03.09.2013
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Kane doesn't care about winning the cup. All he cares about is money, Canucks, money.........and MONEY - BeatStriker
Oh you and Kane are friends? Didnt know lol. Wait till hes potting 40 with one of the best players in the league, we'll see what he does. |
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