Bill Meltzer: Flyers-Preds Wrapup: Philly Takes Two Points in 3-2 Shootout Win

As a Leaf Fan I loved the result

I completely agree with Simmonds and White. They have to play at that level every game. Easier said than done, but if they want to have any shot at the playoffs it's going to take that kind of effort

What was Rinaldo's misconduct for?

What was Rinaldo's misconduct for?
- flyer_nutter

For being Zac Rinaldo and being on ice during a scrum after the whistle. he was not doing anything that other players weren't.

At first it looked like the Flyers were going to be down 5 on 3 for 2 minutes so the misconduct was definitely preferable.

For being Zac Rinaldo and being on ice during a scrum after the whistle. he was not doing anything that other players weren't.

at first it looked like the Flyers are going to be down 5 on 3 for 2 minutes so the misconduct was definitely preferable.
- bmeltzer

I thought the same thing at first, that would've been a ridiculous call.

For being Zac Rinaldo and being on ice during a scrum after the whistle. he was not doing anything that other players weren't.

At first it looked like the Flyers were going to be down 5 on 3 for 2 minutes so the misconduct was definitely preferable.
- bmeltzer

Bill, he was jawing at and skating down a player that the refs had ruled just received a head shot. Maybe that isn't grounds for a penalty but I'm sure they warned him to back down and the misconduct was the result. I didn't see any other Flyers attempting to go after Josi there. The refs were probably also told to keep him on a short leash coming back from the Letang hit. I'll give you that.

Ultimately it comes down to Zac doing unnecessary stuff on ice and hurting his team. Zac saw about 3 minutes ice time tops after the misconduct. It basically put the Flyers down a man on bench for the majority of the game.

He had 8 games to think about not putting his team down and he goes right out and ignores the refs between whistles and what was really just an accident play. I've had my fill.

A host of scouts were in attendance at the game; not surprising considering the rapidly approaching NHL trade deadline. Among the attendees was former Flyers player Scott Mellanby, now the assistant general manager of the Montreal Canadiens. Others included Hockey and Flyers Hall of Famer Mark Howe (Detroit Red Wings), Jason Botteril and Al Santilli (Pittsburgh Penguins), Jamie Pushor (Tampa Bay Lightning), Pierre Gauthier (Chicago Blackhawks), John Van Boxmeer (Buffalo Sabres), Peter Mahovolich (Florida Panthers), Dan O'Brien (Dallas Stars), Dave Taylor (St. Louis Blues), Frank Effinger (Arizona Coyotes), and Kerry Gwydir (New York Islanders).

Many of these scouts are regulars or semi-regulars at games in Philadelphia. Howe, for example, is almost always here.

36 has to realize he is going to have the eyes of the refs more so than others.

36 has to realize he is going to have the eyes of the refs more so than others.
- PhiFaninEdm

It might just be the new leash he's on. After an 8 gamer the refs aren't going to stand for much at all.

A host of scouts were in attendance at the game; not surprising considering the rapidly approaching NHL trade deadline. Among the attendees was...John Van Boxmeer (Buffalo Sabres)...
- bmeltzer

On the wrong end of the quickest fight in Flyers' history.

For being Zac Rinaldo and being on ice during a scrum after the whistle. he was not doing anything that other players weren't.

At first it looked like the Flyers were going to be down 5 on 3 for 2 minutes so the misconduct was definitely preferable.
- bmeltzer

unfortunately for Zac's career, "just being Zac Rinaldo" is now a detriment to his team.

It might just be the new leash he's on. After an 8 gamer the refs aren't going to stand for much at all.
- hereticpride

And Berube should know that and not bother.

For being Zac Rinaldo and being on ice during a scrum after the whistle. he was not doing anything that other players weren't.

At first it looked like the Flyers were going to be down 5 on 3 for 2 minutes so the misconduct was definitely preferable.
- bmeltzer

That extension is looking worse everyday

Bill, he was jawing at and skating down a player that the refs had ruled just received a head shot. Maybe that isn't grounds for a penalty but I'm sure they warned him to back down and the misconduct was the result. I didn't see any other Flyers attempting to go after Josi there. The refs were probably also told to keep him on a short leash coming back from the Letang hit. I'll give you that.

Ultimately it comes down to Zac doing unnecessary stuff on ice and hurting his team. Zac saw about 3 minutes ice time tops after the misconduct. It basically put the Flyers down a man on bench for the majority of the game.

He had 8 games to think about not putting his team down and he goes right out and ignores the refs between whistles and what was really just an accident play. I've had my fill.
- hereticpride

I would give him a much longer leash, about 60 miles or so, back to Lehigh Valley.

I would give him a much longer leash, about 60 miles or so, back to Lehigh Valley.
- puckhead17

this

Bill, he was jawing at and skating down a player that the refs had ruled just received a head shot. Maybe that isn't grounds for a penalty but I'm sure they warned him to back down and the misconduct was the result. I didn't see any other Flyers attempting to go after Josi there. The refs were probably also told to keep him on a short leash coming back from the Letang hit. I'll give you that.

Ultimately it comes down to Zac doing unnecessary stuff on ice and hurting his team. Zac saw about 3 minutes ice time tops after the misconduct. It basically put the Flyers down a man on bench for the majority of the game.

He had 8 games to think about not putting his team down and he goes right out and ignores the refs between whistles and what was really just an accident play. I've had my fill.
- hereticpride

I have no problem with Rinaldo playing or sitting as we have quite a few problems on this team - Umberger, VLC, consistency - and I don't have this "He's not an NHL player" attitude about him. But if he was sent to the Phantoms, I wouldn't shed a tear. That being said, I know for a fact he went right after Weber after the VDV hit, and barely at that. He didn't deserve a penalty. How did you see him going after Josi?

I would give him a much longer leash, about 60 miles or so, back to Lehigh Valley.
- puckhead17

At least with Lecavalier, there's a chance for a goal, and he can play on the PP.

Sounds like we're being scouted heavily then. There was a report earlier in the week that the Habs might have interest in Coburn. From the looks of it it appears that most of those teams would be seeking out defense. I'm guessing the box will be pretty full once Kimmo comes back.

I have no problem with Rinaldo playing or sitting as we have quite a few problems on this team - Umberger, VLC, consistency - and I don't have this "He's not an NHL player" attitude about him. But if he was sent to the Phantoms, I wouldn't shed a tear. That being said, I know for a fact he went right after Weber after the VDV hit. How did you see him going after Josi?
- wolfhounds

He's a minor league player, nothing more.
He should be in Lehigh, & he can take his cousin Vinnie with him.
Honestly, after those 2 guys I can accept Umberger a little more. He can kill penalties, & play a clean aggressive game.
He's not going to earn his salary, but I thought he played well today on the Schenn, White line.

Sounds like we're being scouted heavily then. There was a report earlier in the week that the Habs might have interest in Coburn. From the looks of it it appears that most of those teams would be seeking out defense. I'm guessing the box will be pretty full once Kimmo comes back.
- hereticpride

Ugh, I think we'd regret Coburn on the Canadiens. Better be a nice return.

I have no problem with Rinaldo playing or sitting as we have quite a few problems on this team - Umberger, VLC, consistency - and I don't have this "He's not an NHL player" attitude about him. But if he was sent to the Phantoms, I wouldn't shed a tear. That being said, I know for a fact he went right after Weber after the VDV hit, and barely at that. He didn't deserve a penalty. How did you see him going after Josi?
- wolfhounds

They cut to him. The refs got in between him when he was going to Weber so he started mouthing off and going towards Josi.

I fear this is the point he's reached. Did he do anything harmful? Certainly not. But the refs seem more than tired of keeping him in line.

For his own sake I hope he does go down the the AHL and develops some skills. Because if the refs are going to hold him to this standard he will be out of the sport sooner rather than later.

At least with Lecavalier, there's a chance for a goal, and he can play on the PP.
- MJL

I disagree about the power play thing, that one timer is one trick that isn't working anymore.
Granted the 2nd unit doesn't get the minutes, but I'd rather see Raffl on it instead.

They cut to him. The refs got in between him when he was going to Weber so he started mouthing off and going towards Josi.

I fear this is the point he's reached. Did he do anything harmful? Certainly not. But the refs seem more than tired of keeping him in line.

For his own sake I hope he does go down the the AHL and develops some skills. Because if the refs are going to hold him to this standard he will be out of the sport sooner rather than later.
- hereticpride

Ahh, I missed that. No doubt his reputation has gotten worse, most of that is on him, and it's definitely going to be a problem going forward, especially for the remainder of this season. Perhaps a little AHL time would do him some good.

I disagree about the power play thing, that one timer is one trick that isn't working anymore.
Granted the 2nd unit doesn't get the minutes, but I'd rather see Raffl on it instead.
- puckhead17

He can still shoot the puck, if given a chance. I'd rather play Lecavalier over Rinaldo. Raffl is a grinder and forechecker more then a shooter.