Ty Anderson: Trading Marc Savard

The Devils will have a lot of cap space next year and the year after. There isn't anyone really in free agency, even if we signed say Vermette and Martin 5 million a peace we would still have space. I would want at least Philly's 2nd this year or a prospect as compensation, I would prefer the pick. Maybe an extra late pick next year as well.

Ty, do you think Boston will trade Eriksson in the offseason and what do you think they would get? Also, what do you think happens to Soderberg?

Ty, do you think Boston will trade Eriksson in the offseason and what do you think they would get? Also, what do you think happens to Soderberg?
- Devils9503

I don't think they'll trade Eriksson, to be honest. And I think they do what they can to keep Soderberg, but last I checked in he could be looking for something like $4.5M-5M per year for the next four to five years, and I truthfully don't think the B's could do that.

Whats the 2nd and or 3rd tie break? As it stands identical record with equal number of 79 games played as the Wings and tied with 37 ROWs. Assuming h2h is 2nd breaker?

Whats the 2nd and or 3rd tie break? As it stands identical record with equal number of 79 games played as the Wings and tied with 37 ROWs. Assuming h2h is 2nd breaker?
- yobwoc03

"The greater number of points earned in games between the tied clubs. If two clubs are tied, and have not played an equal number of home games against each other, points earned in the first game played in the city that had the extra game shall not be included. If more than two clubs are tied, the higher percentage of available points earned in games among those clubs, and not including any "odd" games, shall be used to determine the standing."

Whats the 2nd and or 3rd tie break? As it stands identical record with equal number of 79 games played as the Wings and tied with 37 ROWs. Assuming h2h is 2nd breaker?
- yobwoc03

OK, so this is some weird poop. It's H2H, but when you play a team five times like the Bruins-Wings this year, they do not count the first game in the building of the team that had three home games. In which case, this does not count the Wings' win on Oct. 9.

I don't think they'll trade Eriksson, to be honest. And I think they do what they can to keep Soderberg, but last I checked in he could be looking for something like $4.5M-5M per year for the next four to five years, and I truthfully don't think the B's could do that.
- tyanderson

Yeah, I think they have some decisions this offseason with signing Hamilton and others. Hamilton will pretty much take that cap that Savard is taking up if he was traded, I would imagine.

I think they should trade both Seidenberg and Chara while they still have value and aren't completely worn out by the end of their contracts.

"The greater number of points earned in games between the tied clubs. If two clubs are tied, and have not played an equal number of home games against each other, points earned in the first game played in the city that had the extra game shall not be included. If more than two clubs are tied, the higher percentage of available points earned in games among those clubs, and not including any "odd" games, shall be used to determine the standing."
- Devils9503

Alright Thanks Bud

OK, so this is some weird poop. It's H2H, but when you play a team five times like the Bruins-Wings this year, they do not count the first game in the building of the team that had three home games. In which case, this does not count the Wings' win on Oct. 9.
- tyanderson

So in other words, the only game they lost to Detroit wouldn't be factored in. So they smoke them in that 2nd breaker if they play even they last 3. Well either way good luck on getting 6 more points!

The now 37-year-old’s Savard’s concussion issues began with a perfectly legal at the time hit at the hands of Matt Cooke in Mar. 2010

Toronto thinks they did really good in the Horton trade. They gave up what they believe was a really bad long term contract with Clarkson. Columbus believes they got a useful player (Clarkson) and gave up a bad uninsured contract (Horton).

It is a nice idea that the Bruins could move Savard in order to gain cap relief. But, everyone knows cap space is incredibly valuable. Doing a deal would require compensation. No idea what would be commensurate value?

Toronto thinks they did really good in the Horton trade. They gave up what they believe was a really bad long term contract with Clarkson. Columbus believes they got a useful player (Clarkson) and gave up a bad uninsured contract (Horton).

It is a nice idea that the Bruins could move Savard in order to gain cap relief. But, everyone knows cap space is incredibly valuable. Doing a deal would require compensation. No idea what would be commensurate value?
- spatso

everyone believes toronto gave up a really bad long term contract. they acquired an equally bad contract, but that one that can be erased year after year by LTIR.
Possibly the best move Nonis has made as a GM, also eradicating the biggest mistake he made.

everyone believes toronto gave up a really bad long term contract. they acquired an equally bad contract, but that one that can be erased year after year by LTIR.
Possibly the best move Nonis has made as a GM, also eradicating the biggest mistake he made.
- GardinerExpress

Jackets could have used LTIR also. Difference was Leafs can afford to pay the cash to Horton. Jackets couldn't.

Surely I would think that due to the decision to put in a very structured cap with an equally important cap floor, the powers that be aren't going to let budget teams take on these types of cap 'relief' contracts. The cap floor is there for teams to ice a hopefully competitive team even 'over paying' for certain players - those are players that everyone yells & screams about how stupid they are, while overpaying better players is now just a given & accepted to a certain extent. So what happens to the quality of an Arizona that takes on a 4m contract? What player don't they have if they have to reach the floor? 1 less player on the roster makes a huge difference where injuries come into play. What prospects are going to be thrown to the wolves in place of that 4m? I cannot see the league or in fact the players association allowing this to be executed if Boston finds a taker. Or if they do changes will & should be made.

You signed him he should be yours.

The now 37-year-old’s Savard’s concussion issues began with a perfectly legal at the time hit at the hands of Matt Cooke in Mar. 2010
- RoloTahmasee

And that being the case the league swept that change under the rug without declaring a crackdown on dangerous hits.

That hit should never have been legal in the first place.

Surely I would think that due to the decision to put in a very structured cap with an equally important cap floor, the powers that be aren't going to let budget teams take on these types of cap 'relief' contracts. The cap floor is there for teams to ice a hopefully competitive team even 'over paying' for certain players - those are players that everyone yells & screams about how stupid they are, while overpaying better players is now just a given & accepted to a certain extent. So what happens to the quality of an Arizona that takes on a 4m contract? What player don't they have if they have to reach the floor? 1 less player on the roster makes a huge difference where injuries come into play. What prospects are going to be thrown to the wolves in place of that 4m? I cannot see the league or in fact the players association allowing this to be executed if Boston finds a taker. Or if they do changes will & should be made.

You signed him he should be yours.
- Aussiepenguin

If the current CBA allows it, play within those rules.

They'll have to wait to fix it. Back diving contracts were fixed in this new one.

everyone believes toronto gave up a really bad long term contract. they acquired an equally bad contract, but that one that can be erased year after year by LTIR.
Possibly the best move Nonis has made as a GM, also eradicating the biggest mistake he made.
- GardinerExpress

But, and this is the critically important factor, the Horton contract was not insured. It was not the Leafs who initiated the deal, it was the Columbus GM who hatched the plot and sold it to the Leafs. It is a great deal for the Leafs. My point is that it does not translate easily to the Savard situation.

Columbus was being killed by an uninsured contract and that was the underlying incentive.

The Devils will have a lot of cap space next year and the year after. There isn't anyone really in free agency, even if we signed say Vermette and Martin 5 million a peace we would still have space. I would want at least Philly's 2nd this year or a prospect as compensation, I would prefer the pick. Maybe an extra late pick next year as well.
- Devils9503

targeting those two players given what you already have on your team would be a mistake. All that does is give the devils two more players over 30. You need youth.

Ty Anderson: Trading Marc Savard
- tyanderson

Interesting thoughts and ideas.

Just one note for your readers...you offered the Sabres as a "budget-team" to add salary. They did this last year by over-paying some free agent D, so you're not wrong. However, Terry Warbucks has spent and will spend to the cap if and when the time is right. We just don't have anyone worth paying right now. That's all. we just don't have the big contracts right now during the recent sell-off and rebuild. (Vanek, Miller, Pominville, Roy, etc.....)

It does give us some flexibility to "help" some salary cap teams if big dollar guys are available. The most mentioned name is Kessel. Not saying I like him or don't, it is an option if it makes sense for Murray.


Tough to imagine where the B's would be if Savard had stayed healthy. Owning the East most likely. However that Seguin trade.....yikes!!!!

Surely I would think that due to the decision to put in a very structured cap with an equally important cap floor, the powers that be aren't going to let budget teams take on these types of cap 'relief' contracts. The cap floor is there for teams to ice a hopefully competitive team even 'over paying' for certain players - those are players that everyone yells & screams about how stupid they are, while overpaying better players is now just a given & accepted to a certain extent. So what happens to the quality of an Arizona that takes on a 4m contract? What player don't they have if they have to reach the floor? 1 less player on the roster makes a huge difference where injuries come into play. What prospects are going to be thrown to the wolves in place of that 4m? I cannot see the league or in fact the players association allowing this to be executed if Boston finds a taker. Or if they do changes will & should be made.

You signed him he should be yours.
- Aussiepenguin

It's disgusting that a Pens fan would come in here and lecture Boston fans about how unfair it would be for them to get out of Savard's contract when the only reason they want to is because a filthy piece of poop wearing a Penguins sweater elbowed him in the brain.

Ty Anderson: Trading Marc Savard
- tyanderson

While the timing is right from a Buffalo perspective to take on this deal, with the cap hit and very low salary, what do you actually think you are getting back in the deal?

Every team knows you would be doing this for cap savings to help get you out of jail for the offseason.

If I were a GM, I'd say sure, we can take on Savard, as long as you part with a 1st round pick or one of your prospects, for say a 3rd or 4th going back the other way.

If you don't like it, move on down the road.

While the timing is right from a Buffalo perspective to take on this deal, with the cap hit and very low salary, what do you actually think you are getting back in the deal?

Every team knows you would be doing this for cap savings to help get you out of jail for the offseason.

If I were a GM, I'd say sure, we can take on Savard, as long as you part with a 1st round pick or one of your prospects, for say a 3rd or 4th going back the other way.

If you don't like it, move on down the road.
- kingcong39

My thoughts exactly. Why would any team just take this problem back without some significant upside. The Columbus -Toronto deal is a way different animal. The cost will be a 1st & the value of what comes back depends which year the 1st is. This year, I think Flames could part with 1 or 2 interesting prospects for the Bruins. Reinhart or Hanowski may fit the bill.

Whats the 2nd and or 3rd tie break? As it stands identical record with equal number of 79 games played as the Wings and tied with 37 ROWs. Assuming h2h is 2nd breaker?
- yobwoc03

If two or more clubs are tied in points during the regular season, the standing of the clubs is determined in the following order:

1) The fewer number of games played (i.e., superior points percentage).

2) The greater number of games won, excluding games won in the Shootout. This figure is reflected in the ROW column.

3) The greater number of points earned in games between the tied clubs. If two clubs are tied, and have not played an equal number of home games against each other, points earned in the first game played in the city that had the extra game shall not be included. If more than two clubs are tied, the higher percentage of available points earned in games among those clubs, and not including any "odd" games, shall be used to determine the standing.

4) The greater differential between goals for and against for the entire regular season. NOTE: In standings a victory in a shootout counts as one goal for, while a shootout loss counts as one goal against.

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