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Carol Schram
Joined: 09.27.2013

Jun 17 @ 3:29 PM ET
Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks: Draft Prospect Jakub Zboril, Cody Hodgson's Buyout? As former Canucks' assistant coach Mike Sullivan leads the list of candidates to take over as head of the AHL's Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins, a look at draft prospect Jakub Zboril and examining the terms of ex-Canuck Cody Hodgson's possible buyout.
cornball
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Washington, DC
Joined: 01.21.2010

Jun 17 @ 3:44 PM ET
I definitely think Hodgson's horrendous season was an outlier because of a bad team plus bad coach. Lots of players have bad seasons. The problem with Hodgson is that even if he regains his form to become a 20 goal 40-45pt player his defense is so awful there is just no room for him on the Sabres (hard to believe right?). We have a very, very young team with tons of offensive upside. With a very young team you are going to expect a lot of young mistakes, mostly in the form of defensive miscues. Young kids need defensively responsible vets around them to both teach them how to develop that game (which comes around later for them) and also to bail them out when they make those mistakes. Not only can Hodgeson not do that...but he needs bailing out more than anyone else. Put him with a quality 2-way center and I think he'll be just fine.

But as you noted, being on the edge of a 1/3 or 2/3 buyout. Sabres need to hedge their bets and get it done. The risk is not worth the additional $1 million cap hit per season. And, as I noted, even if he does rebound he's still got his problems.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jun 17 @ 3:51 PM ET
Interesting find on the buyout detail for a younger player, it does ring a bell now that you mention it.

700K over 8 years isn't too bad I guess but I won't be surprised if Hodgson still ends up being an NHLer whether that is for Buf or another team.

I also think they could flip him for a small return to a team like the Coyotes who need to get to the cap floor somehow.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 17 @ 4:00 PM ET
If they don't get a 2nd they pretty well need to go D with #23. However JB say's BPA.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 17 @ 4:01 PM ET
I definitely think Hodgson's horrendous season was an outlier because of a bad team plus bad coach. Lots of players have bad seasons. The problem with Hodgson is that even if he regains his form to become a 20 goal 40-45pt player his defense is so awful there is just no room for him on the Sabres (hard to believe right?). We have a very, very young team with tons of offensive upside. With a very young team you are going to expect a lot of young mistakes, mostly in the form of defensive miscues. Young kids need defensively responsible vets around them to both teach them how to develop that game (which comes around later for them) and also to bail them out when they make those mistakes. Not only can Hodgeson not do that...but he needs bailing out more than anyone else. Put him with a quality 2-way center and I think he'll be just fine.

But as you noted, being on the edge of a 1/3 or 2/3 buyout. Sabres need to hedge their bets and get it done. The risk is not worth the additional $1 million cap hit per season. And, as I noted, even if he does rebound he's still got his problems.

- cornball


At times he looked pretty good in VAN, they were concerned with his 200' game.
classic321
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.04.2012

Jun 17 @ 4:03 PM ET
I definitely think Hodgson's horrendous season was an outlier because of a bad team plus bad coach. Lots of players have bad seasons. The problem with Hodgson is that even if he regains his form to become a 20 goal 40-45pt player his defense is so awful there is just no room for him on the Sabres (hard to believe right?). We have a very, very young team with tons of offensive upside. With a very young team you are going to expect a lot of young mistakes, mostly in the form of defensive miscues. Young kids need defensively responsible vets around them to both teach them how to develop that game (which comes around later for them) and also to bail them out when they make those mistakes. Not only can Hodgeson not do that...but he needs bailing out more than anyone else. Put him with a quality 2-way center and I think he'll be just fine.

But as you noted, being on the edge of a 1/3 or 2/3 buyout. Sabres need to hedge their bets and get it done. The risk is not worth the additional $1 million cap hit per season. And, as I noted, even if he does rebound he's still got his problems.

- cornball


I still think Hodgson can be good. He played really well at world championships, and I think he would excel without some enforcer who has yet to score more than 10 points and some no namer as his line mates.

kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Jun 17 @ 4:07 PM ET
Buyout. Where are all the jokers who were pining for Hodgson now? Hopefully hanging their heads in shame.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jun 17 @ 4:16 PM ET

No shame, still the worst trade that Gillis made while he was here.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Jun 17 @ 4:18 PM ET
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Hodgson got horrible advice in the form of his father and his agent and ended up believing all the hype and press he got. The sad fact is we felt he was Trevor Linden II when really he was closer to Patrick White. Herein lies the danger of having someone who is too close to you with their own agenda making decisions and giving bad advice.
classic321
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.04.2012

Jun 17 @ 4:21 PM ET
No shame, still the worst trade that Gillis made while he was here.
- 1970vintage



Kieth ballard says otherwise.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Jun 17 @ 4:25 PM ET
Kieth ballard says otherwise.
- classic321


1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jun 17 @ 4:25 PM ET
Kieth ballard says otherwise.
- classic321


Meh
mhp
Buffalo Sabres
Location: PROUD MEMBER OF RED SOX NATION SINCE 1975!!!! , SD
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 17 @ 4:31 PM ET
31 for Lack. Let's do it!!

Go!
classic321
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.04.2012

Jun 17 @ 4:32 PM ET
If they don't get a 2nd they pretty well need to go D with #23. However JB say's BPA.
- VanHockeyGuy



Ottawa thinks they can get a Top 6 forward AND a second or 3rd round pick according to Bob Mackenzie for Lehner or Andersson




Just makes Vancouver's asking price all the more reasonable.
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jun 17 @ 4:36 PM ET
No shame, still the worst trade that Gillis made while he was here.


I agree with this for this simple reason: when Cody was traded he was having a fine season for us, providing secondary scoring on a team that struggled for it and a team which had a very real window for winning a Cup. Kassian provided us none of that when he arrived (or since). Our window soon passed so the performances afterward are irrelevant.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jun 17 @ 4:42 PM ET
The amazing thing with Cody is not his issue with skating, as that is plain to see when watching him play, it's his overall lack commitment on the defensive end.

With how hard he supposedly works in the offseason, his commitment, effort level, and conditioning should never be an issue, you would think.
The_Kuze
Joined: 01.26.2012

Jun 17 @ 4:43 PM ET
Trade itself turned out me for both teams.

I agree though the problem in the end wasn't the trade it was that we had what appeared to be an amazing asset on a cup run year and basically got magic beans for him. You gotta wonder what Hodgson and Schneider would have got together even to the Devils
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Jun 17 @ 4:44 PM ET
Ottawa thinks they can get a Top 6 forward AND a second or 3rd round pick according to Bob Mackenzie for Lehner or Andersson




Just makes Vancouver's asking price all the more reasonable.

- classic321


If they are thinking that, what are they being offered?

Always wonder if that is the market for goaltenders or the market for just one goaltender?

Who has proven the most? I wouldn't mind if we hitched our wagon to Lack. Whoever goes, there isn't any real drop off in that position.
classic321
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.04.2012

Jun 17 @ 4:49 PM ET
If they are thinking that, what are they being offered?

Always wonder if that is the market for goaltenders or the market for just one goaltender?

Who has proven the most? I wouldn't mind if we hitched our wagon to Lack. Whoever goes, there isn't any real drop off in that position.

- hillbillydeluxe



Well apparently leaf fans think Bernier is on the trading block, so the goalie market got even more competitive.

http://www.tsn.ca/video/b...gram-controversy-1.310876

http://deadspin.com/jonat...you-believe-hi-1711984150

I can't believe that cities fan base. It's embarrassing.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Jun 17 @ 4:59 PM ET
Well apparently leaf fans think Bernier is on the trading block, so the goalie market got even more competitive.

http://www.tsn.ca/video/b...gram-controversy-1.310876

http://deadspin.com/jonat...you-believe-hi-1711984150

I can't believe that cities fan base. It's embarrassing.

- classic321


Expecting to see some players on waivers before they are bought out, some one has to be on the move.
Linden_4_Capt
Vancouver Canucks
Location: ON
Joined: 01.23.2014

Jun 17 @ 5:00 PM ET
I think Cody needs better role models. Put Cody with Kessel on the other wing and Wellwood as center would do wonders for him.
CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

Jun 17 @ 5:04 PM ET
It won't let me quote AlexF, but his last post is spot on.
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jun 17 @ 5:09 PM ET
It won't let me quote AlexF, but his last post is spot on.
- CubanBuffet




On a side note, ever since this site got a facelift quoting another post seems to me hit and miss.
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Jun 17 @ 5:09 PM ET
Well apparently leaf fans think Bernier is on the trading block, so the goalie market got even more competitive.

http://www.tsn.ca/video/b...gram-controversy-1.310876

http://deadspin.com/jonat...you-believe-hi-1711984150

I can't believe that cities fan base. It's embarrassing.

- classic321


You have to wonder if he would be. Its the same boat as Lack, if youre not winning any time soon why not trade the best goalie you have for better assets? Reimer could carry that team to 12th in the east for the next few rebuild seasons
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jun 17 @ 5:13 PM ET
If they are thinking that, what are they being offered?

Always wonder if that is the market for goaltenders or the market for just one goaltender?

Who has proven the most? I wouldn't mind if we hitched our wagon to Lack. Whoever goes, there isn't any real drop off in that position.

- hillbillydeluxe


Anderson is a great goalie and seems to get even better the more clutch the situation becomes. He's getting older but hasn't shown it yet, like Miller has for example. I still remember his 50+ save performance for the Avs v SJ some years back. I swear about half of those 50 were from prime shooting positions (in the slot, point-blankers, etc).

If he's on the block he should net a solid return. Lehner shouldn't net more that a 2nd, which is the same valuation I'd give Lack.
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