Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks: The Penalty Kill, Stats in the Big Picture, Vey at Work A look at how Kevin Bieksa and Brad Richardson's departures will affect next season's penalty kill and Linden Vey's role on the Canucks next season.

It's Beer O' Clock somewhere...

It's Beer O' Clock somewhere...
- LordHumungous

It's Toot O' Clock where I live.

from last discussion...

Easy to join just as long as you have a sheep's mentality and can follow a herd.
CanuckDon is a bit slow getting the gang jackets made but they have chosen a theme song...


- bloatedmosquito

I guess I am part of that herd.

For next season,

Not sure if we are better off without Bieksa in the lineup, but I don't think we are worse off with him gone.

Without Lack, if Miller stays healthy, the performance in goal should be about the same as last season.

With our forwards, Richardson was hurt for a good chunk of the season, I like him, but don't think we will miss him that much either.

Matthias' goal production will be missed, just wondering if they can be replace by committee and Sven?

I had been part of a group wanting more grit in the lineup. The addition of Prust should help in that department. With Bieksa gone, I don't think the grit on the back end has changed much, Bieksa was perceived to bring it, but we hadn't seen much of it lately anyway so maybe a slight improvement in that area with Prust.

Just hoping there is room for the kids if they make the club out of training camp.

I can understand the disappointment with the return from some of the trades, but it is done. Sbisa is an overpayment. Couldn't care what Dorsett and Prust are making.

I will put on the rose colored glasses and hope that the team has a bit better chemistry, team toughness and identity. If they make the playoffs, watch out.

If the miss the playoffs, hopefully we get a top 10 or better pick.

Thanks for the Blog Carol, but in no way am I looking to Gallagher for insight into advanced stats.

I also read the 30 thoughts piece and wondered what the comments on Gilman's comments made. Initially I thought Friedman was expressing that they didn't get along but, Elliot doesn't strike me as someone who would point that out in his piece for the sake of conversation.

Can we get Vantel back? These threads are beginning to resemble Flames threads: a handful of good posters, but no one to really drive conversation forward. It's a ghost town in here.

Can we get Vantel back? These threads are beginning to resemble Flames threads: a handful of good posters, but no one to really drive conversation forward. It's a ghost town in here.
- CubanBuffet

Both sides of the Benning/Linden crowds are pretty much sick of each other.

Both sides of the Benning/Linden crowds are pretty much sick of each other.
- Nucker101

It seems like we're all sick of each other period. We've got people female doging about Benning, people female doging about people female doging about Benning and people female doging about all of the female doging.

It seems like we're all sick of each other period. We've got people female doging about Benning, people female doging about people female doging about Benning and people female doging about all of the female doging.
- CubanBuffet

How about some line combo's?

Daniel Henrik Burrows
Sven Horvat Vrbata
Higgins Bonino Dorsett
Prust Vey Hansen

Kenins,

Edler Tanev
Hamhuis Weber
Sbisa Bartkowski

Corrado, Clendening

Miller
Markstrom

Any room for Cassels, Grenier, Virtanen, Subban...?

Friedman is bitter.

Since when are media reporters "friends" of the Canucks? You can't call being the only CBC panelist not to bash your team on prime time "friendship".

I'm miss Gilman, he's a smart loyal guy.

How about some line combo's?

Daniel Henrik Burrows
Sven Horvat Vrbata
Higgins Bonino Dorsett
Prust Vey Hansen

Kenins,

Edler Tanev
Hamhuis Weber
Sbisa Bartkowski

Corrado, Clendening

Miller
Markstrom

Any room for Cassels, Grenier, Virtanen, Subban...?
- hillbillydeluxe

Give Vey some offensive options and Bonino can be the full time shutdown line with the bangers.

Higgins Vey Hansen
Prust Bonino Dorsett

Give Vey some offensive options and Bonino can be the full time shutdown line with the bangers.

Higgins Vey Hansen
Prust Bonino Dorsett
- belcherbd

Bonino is good on the pk too, but if he is 4th line C it might be better to just trade him and get some picks and use a prospect or cheap ufa for 4th line c.

It would be great if Vey improved his f/o% and got a little stronger to make 3rd line c a better fit for him.

But I think you are right about Vey needing a bit more offense around him. More complimentary players.

Can we get Vantel back? These threads are beginning to resemble Flames threads: a handful of good posters, but no one to really drive conversation forward. It's a ghost town in here.
- CubanBuffet

He'll be back, he can't stay away especially if he gets to spew the "I told you so" rhetoric he's been pulling for years....

He'll be back, he can't stay away especially if he gets to spew the "I told you so" rhetoric he's been pulling for years....
- chompsey

As soon as we sign Franson...Vantel will show.

Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks: The Penalty Kill, Stats in the Big Picture, Vey at Work
A look at how Kevin Bieksa and Brad Richardson's departures will affect next season's penalty kill and Linden Vey's role on the Canucks next season.
- Carol Schram

IMO Vey is going to be a total non-factor. Just another overvalued middling NHL/AHLer.

He'll be back, he can't stay away especially if he gets to spew the "I told you so" rhetoric he's been pulling for years....
- chompsey

Because he is the only one doing the told you so routine.....

As soon as we sign Franson...Vantel will show.
- LordHumungous

I wonder if Franson will get as much as Sbisa?

Because he is the only one doing the told you so routine.....
- belcherbd

Booner is the king of 'I told you so.'

I wonder if Franson will get as much as Sbisa?
- bloatedmosquito

Does anyone else think Dustin Johnson looks like wayne?

Edit:

IMO Vey is going to be a total non-factor. Just another overvalued middling NHL/AHLer.
-bloatedmosquito

Last year was his first full season in the NHL. I am happy he realized what it takes and has started working on it, its a big learning curve. I am not ready to rule him out yet, as there have been many players that have had excellent offseason's pay off with production, but we wont be able to see until he arrives at camp. I hope he's noticeably quicker and stronger, it could go either way though

Booner is the king of 'I told you so.'
- bloatedmosquito

You can say that again...

Because he is the only one doing the told you so routine.....
- belcherbd

He's one of the best at it.......he just is more dramatic than most....

EDIT: I do like the guy tho.....doesn't get too wound up when people disagree with him unlike some know-it-alls around here....

Because he is the only one doing the told you so routine.....
- belcherbd

That's pretty much why there are so many arguments...it's going to be fun to see who eats the crow in a couple of years when it'll be easier to judge Benning/Linden.

He's one of the best at it.......he just is more dramatic than most....

EDIT: I do like the guy tho.....doesn't get too wound up when people disagree with him unlike some know-it-alls around here....
- chompsey

People get "wound up" confused with a good argument/discussion. Just because you don't like the moves the team is making, doesn't make you a hater. Hell, the roles were reversed not too long ago when the popular thing to do was rip Gillis and some of the same guys who complained daily/weekly about Gillis/AV/Torts are now "tired of" the Benning sceptics...talk about a double standard.

I can't speak for the others who get into the debates but I'm not angry when people disagree I just get annoyed when they completely dismiss some numbers/facts with a statement like "it's a rebuild so it's fine" or "Benning knows more than you so you're wrong" instead of responding with a stronger argument supported by hard evidence. I'll admit I exaggerate and don't always do the above either but I feel like some people don't do it at all and instead make things personal or just use random statements that don't contribute to the discussion at all.