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Carol Schram
Joined: 09.27.2013

Sep 30 @ 12:36 PM ET
Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks Game Review: Veterans' Roster Spots Could Be in Jeopardy It's getting down to crunch time for some of the Vancouver Canucks' underperforming veterans after a 2-1 loss to the San Jose Sharks on Tuesday night.
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Sep 30 @ 12:40 PM ET
Corrado is a rhs. More likely that Sbisa goes on waivers to clear a spot for Hutton.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Sep 30 @ 12:46 PM ET
JMac
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Sep 30 @ 12:47 PM ET
What Sbisa is the best.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Sep 30 @ 1:00 PM ET
Corrado is a rhs. More likely that Sbisa goes on waivers to clear a spot for Hutton.
- Scooby_Doo


If they were going to dump Sbisa, optically, this would be the time to do it.

Could say that they're making room for the young kids who are forcing their way onto the roster, and while McCann is doing so well it would remove most of the inevitable media negativity (there is always media negativity) associated with dumping another asset that was part of the Kesler return.
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Sep 30 @ 1:04 PM ET
it's not just that Sbisa was part of the Kesler deal, it's the contract that doesn't make any sense if he's the guy to go...

why anyone in their right mind would sign him to 3 years at 3.6 mill when 2 years would have sufficed. only to put him on waivers or trade him doesn't make sense...

if this guy goes, it's another black mark on JBs record in talent evaluation...

Mistakes
1. Garrison trade
2. keeping bieksa
3. trade for Vey
4. Sbisa 3 year deal
5. Dorsett 4 yr deal
6. ...
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Sep 30 @ 1:09 PM ET
it's not just that Sbisa was part of the Kesler deal, it's the contract that doesn't make any sense if he's the guy to go...

why anyone in their right mind would sign him to 3 years at 3.6 mill when 2 years would have sufficed.

- kaptaan


How would that make you feel, just signed a 3 year contract and the club puts you on waivers? And nobody bites, and it becomes uncomfortable? Media nagging him.


I don't think that contract is the end of the world, but it sure isn't pretty.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Sep 30 @ 1:18 PM ET
it's not just that Sbisa was part of the Kesler deal, it's the contract that doesn't make any sense if he's the guy to go...

why anyone in their right mind would sign him to 3 years at 3.6 mill when 2 years would have sufficed.

- kaptaan


His contract being bad is so overblown. Yes, the dollars are too high. But it's only $3.6M and only for 3 years. It isn't like he's making an untradeable $6.8M for the next 8 years.

Benning and Desjardins clearly believe they can develop him into a serviceable player. I think he'll get a good portion of this year to do it and if (when) they don't feel it will happen, or if someone else passes him, then they'll trade him.
classic321
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.04.2012

Sep 30 @ 1:19 PM ET
What Sbisa is the best.
- thundachunk





CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Sep 30 @ 1:19 PM ET
Reply?
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Sep 30 @ 1:20 PM ET
How would that make you feel, just signed a 3 year contract and the club puts you on waivers? And nobody bites, and it becomes uncomfortable? Media nagging him.


I don't think that contract is the end of the world, but it sure isn't pretty.

- hillbillydeluxe


His feelings would be destroyed so they shouldn't even consider it
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Sep 30 @ 1:22 PM ET
"...right now in my mind, Corrado's behind both Hutton and Matt Bartkowski on the depth chart. Maybe more playing time in Utica is what he needs." -CS

Thank you for the Blog Carol.

Some of the fringe players from last season are playing to lose jobs vs. to win jobs.

I think Hutton could do with some AHL seasoning, but he is standing out more than Corrado. Corrado sometimes looks like casual kev.

I wouldn't mind Hutton starting with the big club, it would be sad to lose Corrado on waivers, but he hasn't stood head and shoulders above many in our d prospect pool and isn't projected top 4... whatever makes the team better.

KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Sep 30 @ 1:23 PM ET
it's not just that Sbisa was part of the Kesler deal, it's the contract that doesn't make any sense if he's the guy to go...

why anyone in their right mind would sign him to 3 years at 3.6 mill when 2 years would have sufficed. only to put him on waivers or trade him doesn't make sense...

if this guy goes, it's another black mark on JBs record in talent evaluation...

Mistakes
1. Garrison trade
2. keeping bieksa
3. trade for Vey
4. Sbisa 3 year deal
5. Dorsett 4 yr deal
6. ...

- kaptaan



The Garrison trade was a great move
They traded Bieksa
Vey is not looking good, but he was worth the gamble
If they trade Sbisa, or if he improves, the deal will be good
Dorsett might make too much money, but that is basically said about every player when they sign

Sbisa was more on Desjardins than Benning. I don't think that anything that came back in the Kesler trade should be used to judge Benning as a talent evaluator, apart from what he did with the pick (which is looking pretty good right now).
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Sep 30 @ 1:23 PM ET
it's not just that Sbisa was part of the Kesler deal, it's the contract that doesn't make any sense if he's the guy to go...

why anyone in their right mind would sign him to 3 years at 3.6 mill when 2 years would have sufficed. only to put him on waivers or trade him doesn't make sense...

if this guy goes, it's another black mark on JBs record in talent evaluation...

Mistakes
1. Garrison trade - good trade, slow, fragile, over paid with a no trade clause and proved useless on the PP
2. keeping bieksa - people would have lost their poop if he was traded two seasons ago
3. trade for Vey - not working out but he was praised for the deal at the time. I like he takes chances
4. Sbisa 3 year deal - 2 years versus 3 years...who cares
5. Dorsett 4 yr deal - too long
6. ...

- kaptaan

DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Sep 30 @ 1:23 PM ET
Part of the issue is that JB was working under the assumption that he was going to have to deal with mostly status quo. He's also under the directive to try and make the playoffs even if that stalls or delays the inevitable rebuild the team has to go under once the Sedins retire.

You can't bank on your prospects making the team, especially if they're still junior/waiver eligiable, unless you're talking an Eichel or McDavid that are head and shoulders NHL-ready and will be able to contribute immediately. That means that you need to make sure you can field an NHL calibre roster, hence Vey, Sbisa, Bartkowski and Weber. Let's not forget that nobody, not even JB or WD expected Gaunce, McCann, JV and Hutton all to push for a spot. JV was likely the one who due to his draft position and size and physical game that was at the very least going to be giving every shot to make the team.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and one hopes that JB sticks to his guns and opens up roster spots if youth manages to outplay the veterans.
classic321
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.04.2012

Sep 30 @ 1:25 PM ET

if this guy goes, it's another black mark on JBs record in talent evaluation...

Mistakes
1. Sutter Trade and Contract
2. keeping bieksa
3. trade for Vey
4. Sbisa 3 year deal
5. Dorsett 4 yr deal
6. ...

- kaptaan


Still think this takes the cake
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Sep 30 @ 1:25 PM ET
The Garrison trade was a great move
They traded Bieksa
Vey is not looking good, but he was worth the gamble
If they trade Sbisa, or if he improves, the deal will be good
Dorsett might make too much money, but that is basically said about every player when they sign

Sbisa was more on Desjardins than Benning. I don't think that anything that came back in the Kesler trade should be used to judge Benning as a talent evaluator, apart from what he did with the pick (which is looking pretty good right now).

- KB3Point0


I'd trade Keslee for Mcann straight up any day of the week. Joe Sakic light!
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Sep 30 @ 1:27 PM ET
Still think this takes the cake
- classic321


Well your location is #benningsucks so I'll assume you are 12 years old and ignore this post
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Sep 30 @ 1:30 PM ET
His feelings would be destroyed so they shouldn't even consider it
- CanuckDon


I guess I meant confidence more than feelings but you do consider it and dismiss it because the plan was to have Sbisa provide some smooth skating and grit and develop him into a better dman at the same time....

what everyone sees as the reason(s) to send him down, management has determined they can live with that challenge and don't see it as a reason to send him down.

Whatever makes the team better, Hutton would be a nice addition to the d, but Sbisa is evidently needed to bring the grit.

classic321
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.04.2012

Sep 30 @ 1:32 PM ET
Well your location is #benningsucks so I'll assume you are 12 years old and ignore this post
- CanuckDon



I'm glad you think trading a 2nd round pick for a 3rd round pick is a great deal.

hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Sep 30 @ 1:34 PM ET
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/t...e-and-rebuilding-1.369302


JB on TSN 1050
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Sep 30 @ 1:45 PM ET
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Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 30 @ 1:46 PM ET
I'd trade Keslee for Mcann straight up any day of the week. Joe Sakic light!
- CanuckDon

Relax, he hasn't even played a legit pro game yet.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 30 @ 1:47 PM ET
Well your location is #benningsucks so I'll assume you are 12 years old and ignore this post
- CanuckDon

Says the guy with Canuck blinders on.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 30 @ 1:49 PM ET
His contract being bad is so overblown. Yes, the dollars are too high. But it's only $3.6M and only for 3 years. It isn't like he's making an untradeable $6.8M for the next 8 years.

Benning and Desjardins clearly believe they can develop him into a serviceable player. I think he'll get a good portion of this year to do it and if (when) they don't feel it will happen, or if someone else passes him, then they'll trade him.

- KB3Point0

He's only trade-able for another bad contract in return. People who refuse to believe that don't realize how bad he is and the many better options other teams have to use that 3.6M on instead of him.

He and Miller will be pretty damn hard to trade.
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