HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Hotstove: Can The Canadiens Make The Playoffs Without Price?

HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Hotstove: Can The Canadiens Make The Playoffs Without Price?
- ToddCordellVAN

No!

About as good a chance as the Leafs !!

About as good a chance as the Leafs !!
- MountAlbert

so you're sayin there's a chance??

Price or not, they have a good team and part of their losing streak was fueled by terrible luck

Did you watch last nights game against buffalo?

They allowed 6 goals from a Sabres team that hasn't been able to score more than a goal or two per game.

Luck has nothing to do with it, but bad goaltending does!

We need a new stat: GAL, Goals Against Luck

I don't know why people have such a hard time accepting luck as a major factor in games played in a league with massive parity.


It is probably the biggest single factor in any random game.


The Canadiens are actually a really good team and one bad game doesn't prove anything. They control play most nights and generally outshoot their opponent.


Their huge losing streak was filled with game after game they deserved to win because they were the better team that night.

I don't know why people have such a hard time accepting luck as a major factor in games played in a league with massive parity.


It is probably the biggest single factor in any random game.


The Canadiens are actually a really good team and one bad game doesn't prove anything. They control play most nights and generally outshoot their opponent.


Their huge losing streak was filled with game after game they deserved to win because they were the better team that night.
- James_Tanner

better question to ponder..

why you blog on this site as opposed to a respected one.

I don't know why people have such a hard time accepting luck as a major factor in games played in a league with massive parity.


It is probably the biggest single factor in any random game.


The Canadiens are actually a really good team and one bad game doesn't prove anything. They control play most nights and generally outshoot their opponent.


Their huge losing streak was filled with game after game they deserved to win because they were the better team that night.
- James_Tanner

This comment epitomizes the problem.

I don't think anyone would argue luck is not a factor, just not as much emphasis as you put on it. Come on, the Habs have been one of the worst teams in the league since Price went down, it's night and day without him, yet you're still beating the, it's all bad luck drum.....I just don't get it.

To say it's all luck also means that they're losing many games by slim margins right?....meaning, they dominated a game but if it weren't for that one flukie goal they would have won, right?

So by that logic, the Sabres should be a playoff team, I mean helll, they've lost more 1 goal games than almost any team....and it sounds like there's no other explanation other than luck right, that's what I'm getting from this at least?

Nope

No their forwards group is't playoff level

Oh Tanner, you sound just like Therrien. Trying to make believe that everything will be alright whe Price comes back!

HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Hotstove: Can The Canadiens Make The Playoffs Without Price?
- ToddCordellVAN

A better question might be: Should the Canadiens try to make the playoffs without Price?

Given the now have less than a 15% chance to get in right now, I say throw the season and get the best odds possible to win a top 3 pick, cause they will not win a round if Price is not on the roster.

I love how the definition of "bad luck" is anything that runs counter to the advanced stats.

It is never that the stats are flawed, or not really meaningful, or not telling a whole story.

I love how the definition of "bad luck" is anything that runs counter to the advanced stats.

It is never that the stats are flawed, or not really meaningful, or not telling a whole story.
- Aetherial

There is zero skill before game 72 - it is all based on luck.

Get with the damn program already.

The Habs are as suspect as Tanner's hockey knowledge

I don't know why people have such a hard time accepting luck as a major factor in games played in a league with massive parity.


It is probably the biggest single factor in any random game.


The Canadiens are actually a really good team and one bad game doesn't prove anything. They control play most nights and generally outshoot their opponent.


Their huge losing streak was filled with game after game they deserved to win because they were the better team that night.
- James_Tanner

This is not fact.

This is your opinion, assumption, or extrapolation from your stats.

Your problem, and the problem with most of the advanced stats community, is that you start with the assumption that whatever stats you like or want to use are perfectly indicative of whatever you are trying to prove.

Then, if it turns out that reality belies what your pet stats would indicate, it is all about luck.

It could never be that the stats don't indicate what you think they do, or worse, that you might not even be attempting to measure the right thing.

There is zero skill before game 72 - it is all based on luck.

Get with the damn program already.
- Mashadar

It is only luck when the results belie what the advanced stats indicate/predict.

Only results that agree with the stats can be trusted, over even considered.

Not sure how Montreal is "much" better then Florida, Detroit or Boston. Seems like a random idiotic statement about a team that relies on one player more then any other team in the league. And who has been the worst team in the league since he was injured.

Not sure how Montreal is "much" better then Florida, Detroit or Boston. Seems like a random idiotic statement about a team that relies on one player more then any other team in the league. And who has been the worst team in the league since he was injured.
- Newgod77

Price is a member of the Habs though. With him, they are better (maybe not much better) than those teams.

Without him, they are not as good as those teams.

This comment epitomizes the problem.

I don't think anyone would argue luck is not a factor, just not as much emphasis as you put on it. Come on, the Habs have been one of the worst teams in the league since Price went down, it's night and day without him, yet you're still beating the, it's all bad luck drum.....I just don't get it.

To say it's all luck also means that they're losing many games by slim margins right?....meaning, they dominated a game but if it weren't for that one flukie goal they would have won, right?

So by that logic, the Sabres should be a playoff team, I mean helll, they've lost more 1 goal games than almost any team....and it sounds like there's no other explanation other than luck right, that's what I'm getting from this at least?
- nikel

Apparently it's just a coincidence that they've totally fallen apart after the best player in the world went down.

They've got a few serviceable nhl'ers, plekanec is a good two way 2/3c, Gallagher is a great hard working pest. (2nd line winger)

but outside of pacioretty, no real stars up front.
And then a decent top 4, but only one true star.

A very mediocre team. My answer to the guys proclaimjng luck is; I think you're ignoring some pretty obvious problems.

Price is a member of the Habs though. With him, they are better (maybe not much better) than those teams.

Without him, they are not as good as those teams.
- Aetherial

I totally get this


The whole "your team sucks without price" doesn't really matter as they didn't have to think about it. "Well we have price and our team doesn't suck"


But, I think we're seeing they're a bubble team at best without him. And I didn't think they were ever a true contender even with price. Better than the teams you mentioned? Maybe. But they aren't truly elite either imo

This comment epitomizes the problem.

I don't think anyone would argue luck is not a factor, just not as much emphasis as you put on it. Come on, the Habs have been one of the worst teams in the league since Price went down, it's night and day without him, yet you're still beating the, it's all bad luck drum.....I just don't get it.

To say it's all luck also means that they're losing many games by slim margins right?....meaning, they dominated a game but if it weren't for that one flukie goal they would have won, right?

So by that logic, the Sabres should be a playoff team, I mean helll, they've lost more 1 goal games than almost any team....and it sounds like there's no other explanation other than luck right, that's what I'm getting from this at least?
- nikel

There is a study I saw recently - and I would find it now but I'm in a hurry - that proved that the outcome of one goal games is essentially random.

Therefore, yes the Sabres could easily be a playoff team if not for luck. The Canadiens have something like the fifth or sixth best possession rates in the NHL and a roster filled with excellent players.

Yes, goaltending cost them a bunch of games, but they also went through a period where they couldn't by a goal no matter how many chances they had.

I love how the definition of "bad luck" is anything that runs counter to the advanced stats.

It is never that the stats are flawed, or not really meaningful, or not telling a whole story.
- Aetherial

I love how the definition of "bad luck" is anything that runs counter to the advanced stats.

It is never that the stats are flawed, or not really meaningful, or not telling a whole story.
- Aetherial

The stats are not flawed and they do tell the whole story. Cliches are annoying.

There is zero skill before game 72 - it is all based on luck.

Get with the damn program already.
- Mashadar

I used to think people were trolling pretty hard when they said this, but I am now afraid that I actually believe that you just don't understand what this means.

It is a proven fact that until 72 games have been played, luck has more impact on the standings than skill. This does not mean that skill only matters after game 73, but jesus, I really think that's what you think.

How is this even a difficult concept to grasp?