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tomburton99
New York Rangers |
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Location: NYR distrust, NJ Joined: 07.13.2009
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Maybe Oel does, but Kane, Holtby and Panarin have been better that the other 3. - tomburton99
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jt6766
Season Ticket Holder Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Joined: 06.22.2013
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Do the under 23 team next. |
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HB77
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid Joined: 02.20.2007
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Brodie has a solid shot. The guy is an impact guy beyond just statistical analysis.
But the thing is, going with those "overrated defenders" as you say, has proven extremely successful in the past. And none of them are outside of what we can consider prime years.
The group on the blue line for the last Olympics might have put on the most dominant defensive display in international hockey history.
Of course the entire team deserves credit, but the blue line was the lynchpin. And weber and Keith were front and center along with doughty. Weber put on a show imo. An absolutely dominant tourney.
the group making the choices for Canada should have our faith not because of the positions they hold, but because many of them are the same group that picked the slam dunk success teams in the last 2 best vs best tourneys. |
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HB77
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid Joined: 02.20.2007
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Do the under 23 team next. - jt6766
It'll be easy to cheer for that squad
Connor, mackinnon, eichel, Larkin etc |
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Brodie has a solid shot. The guy is an impact guy beyond just statistical analysis.
But the thing is, going with those "overrated defenders" as you say, has proven extremely successful in the past. And none of them are outside of what we can consider prime years.
The group on the blue line for the last Olympics might have put on the most dominant defensive display in international hockey history.
Of course the entire team deserves credit, but the blue line was the lynchpin. And weber and Keith were front and center along with doughty. Weber put on a show imo. An absolutely dominant tourney.
the group making the choices for Canada should have our faith not because of the positions they hold, but because many of them are the same group that picked the slam dunk success teams in the last 2 best vs best tourneys. - HB77
I don't think you can read too much into the past tournament because the team was so stacked. Sure, the D was amazing, but so were the forwards and good forwards make D look good. It's not like they can really go wrong, I won't be mad or anything, Shea Weber is a good player. So is Keith.
But they've declined to the point where Brodie and Muzzin are legitimately better players and the team should not be sentimental and should take the best guys.
The most perplexing thing to me is people keep saying Pieterangelo should be a lock - he hasn't been all that good lately and is no where near as good as Muzzin or Brodie. |
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walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita Joined: 07.14.2011
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Stone Roses. Now you're talking James.
Sally Cinnamon
Elephant Stone
Made of Stone
The Hardest Thing in the World
Sugar spun sister
This is the One.
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mlindsay
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: ON Joined: 06.16.2010
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I fear they will make the safe choices and load up on overrated players like Keith, Seabrook, Weber and Brett Burns.
I'm starting to question if you watch hockey at all. |
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HB77
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid Joined: 02.20.2007
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I don't think you can read too much into the past tournament because the team was so stacked. Sure, the D was amazing, but so were the forwards and good forwards make D look good. It's not like they can really go wrong, I won't be mad or anything, Shea Weber is a good player. So is Keith.
But they've declined to the point where Brodie and Muzzin are legitimately better players and the team should not be sentimental and should take the best guys.
The most perplexing thing to me is people keep saying Pieterangelo should be a lock - he hasn't been all that good lately and is no where near as good as Muzzin or Brodie. - James_Tanner
The team was stacked in some part due to a stacked defence. And it will be again. Up front and on the backend. I don't really get the argument here. I'm not gonna marginalize the defences accomplishments because of the whole team being good. I saw no indication that duchene or Getzlaf made weber look good. Either way, it still was one of the most dominant defensive performances in international history. Can't take that away from that group on the backend
I don't think babcocks/ holland etc inclusion of Keith and weber over muzzin will have anything to do with sentimentality whatsoever. Just like it wasn't when they initially picked them over some of the old guard years ago. I think it'll be because they legitimately think they're better nhl defenders than him. And I'd agree. Keith is currently the #1 all world dman for the reigning champs and possible best team in the league. And the reigning conn smythe winner. We're not talking some 37 year old that got a ring 4 years ago and is on his last legs.
I think Brodie gets real consideration, but again, does he replace those guys at the very top now? Probably not. They're still in their primes and He'll get his shot at some point
I haven't seen much of AP this year, but his numbers don't look fantastic.
I have no issue with excluding hi in favour of some other guys |
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deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: Montreal Joined: 07.01.2008
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I'm starting to question if you watch hockey at all. - mlindsay
He gets a lot of hits by saying poop like this. |
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magmoo
Atlanta Thrashers |
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Location: Garf is expendabilittle., HI Joined: 01.26.2012
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Hey Tanner - if the Leafs win the draft lottery, the Yotes get the 2nd/3rd and the Pens make the playoffs giving the Leafs their 1st rounder.....
To the Leafs: Strome & the Yotes 1st
To Arizona: 1st overall & Pens' first
Thoughts? |
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Stone Roses. Now you're talking James.
Sally Cinnamon
Elephant Stone
Made of Stone
The Hardest Thing in the World
Sugar spun sister
This is the One.
- walshyleafsfan
One of the greatest bands of all-time. |
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Hey Tanner - if the Leafs win the draft lottery, the Yotes get the 2nd/3rd and the Pens make the playoffs giving the Leafs their 1st rounder.....
To the Leafs: Strome & the Yotes 1st
To Arizona: 1st overall & Pens' first
Thoughts? - magmoo
Trading Auston Matthews would be insanity and the Leafs would never do it. |
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HB77
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid Joined: 02.20.2007
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Trading Auston Matthews would be insanity and the Leafs would never do it. - James_Tanner
Oilers might
Oel....
We'll throw in Yakupov too |
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He gets a lot of hits by saying poop like this. - deadpoulet
I think T.J Brodie might be the best defenseman in the NHL who isn't Karlsson or OEL, so it's not about hits, it's more about this is what I think and I have stats to prove it and reputation is still the dominant form of player analysis, which is stupid.
There is no evidence to suggest Duncan Keith is better than T.J Brodie in 2016 and if you think I'm saying that just to say it then I can't help that - but I think it sounds something like a Trump supporter arguing against Bernie Sanders. |
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HB77
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid Joined: 02.20.2007
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I think T.J Brodie might be the best defenseman in the NHL who isn't Karlsson or OEL, so it's not about hits, it's more about this is what I think and I have stats to prove it and reputation is still the dominant form of player analysis, which is stupid.
There is no evidence to suggest Duncan Keith is better than T.J Brodie in 2016 and if you think I'm saying that just to say it then I can't help that - but I think it sounds something like a Trump supporter arguing against Bernie Sanders. - James_Tanner
The game is about more than just numbers imo. It's fluid. Not to say brodie isn't a great defencemen. But not sure I can agree that he's unequivocally better than doughty or Keith at this point.
Duncan Keith didn't have the best numbers in the game last year either and was absolutely unconscious ridiculously good in last years playoffs. Not a defender in the game that idve chosen over him at that point
The best player on the best team |
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HB77
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid Joined: 02.20.2007
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Team sanders I can whole heartedly get on board with though
The alternatives are scary for anyone's who's not a rabid racist, fundamentalist Bible thumper or a lobbyist for big banking. Just a total mess that country is
Go Bernie |
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TommyHawk
Chicago Blackhawks |
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Joined: 05.23.2013
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I don't think you can read too much into the past tournament because the team was so stacked. Sure, the D was amazing, but so were the forwards and good forwards make D look good. It's not like they can really go wrong, I won't be mad or anything, Shea Weber is a good player. So is Keith.
But they've declined to the point where Brodie and Muzzin are legitimately better players and the team should not be sentimental and should take the best guys.
The most perplexing thing to me is people keep saying Pieterangelo should be a lock - he hasn't been all that good lately and is no where near as good as Muzzin or Brodie. - James_Tanner
You can't be serious. |
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The game is about more than just numbers imo. It's fluid. Not to say brodie isn't a great defencemen. But not sure I can agree that he's unequivocally better than doughty or Keith at this point.
Duncan Keith didn't have the best numbers in the game last year either and was absolutely unconscious ridiculously good in last years playoffs. Not a defender in the game that idve chosen over him at that point
The best player on the best team - HB77
I am a huge Brodie fan and even I do not think he is better than Keith right now. The guy is just starting to hit his stride. I still want to see him maintain this level and even get better before claiming that he is a top 5 d man. |
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SimpleJack
Chicago Blackhawks |
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Location: Chicago , IL Joined: 05.23.2013
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Yet another blog from James Tanner with fake opinions made purely for click bait. Nothing this guy says should be taken seriously, as he himself doesn't even believe what he types. It's all for show, I hope everyone realizes this... |
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masterhans
Los Angeles Kings |
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Location: alta loma, CA Joined: 02.22.2011
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Team sanders I can whole heartedly get on board with though
The alternatives are scary for anyone's who's not a rabid racist, fundamentalist Bible thumper or a lobbyist for big banking. Just a total mess that country is
Go Bernie - HB77
suck it northern mexico |
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sniper11
Anaheim Ducks |
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Location: CA Joined: 06.12.2014
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I think T.J Brodie might be the best defenseman in the NHL who isn't Karlsson or OEL, so it's not about hits, it's more about this is what I think and I have stats to prove it and reputation is still the dominant form of player analysis, which is stupid.
There is no evidence to suggest Duncan Keith is better than T.J Brodie in 2016 and if you think I'm saying that just to say it then I can't help that - but I think it sounds something like a Trump supporter arguing against Bernie Sanders.
- James Tanner
You are just saying that, because there is actually a whole lot of evidence to suggest Duncan Keith is better than T.J. Brodie in 2016. It very easy to find too. The concept of facts totally escape you. |
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molly2522
Chicago Blackhawks |
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Location: long beach, IN Joined: 07.13.2011
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As an American I wish they gave you the authority to choose the team since your statement about Keith being overrated indicates you know nothing about hockey or talent evaluation
Did you miss last years stanley cup playoffs were he was near perfect while playing 30 minutes a game |
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As an American I wish they gave you the authority to choose the team since your statement about Keith being overrated indicates you know nothing about hockey or talent evaluation
Did you miss last years stanley cup playoffs were he was near perfect while playing 30 minutes a game - molly2522
Play-offs are irrelevant just like power play points. They don't tell you the real story of who a player is. |
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