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James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Feb 20 @ 11:23 AM ET
James Tanner: Brodie, Muzzin on Team Canada, 4 Who Should Retire + Tanner a Pirate? Yarr! TJ Brodie is the best and deserves more respect.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Feb 20 @ 11:30 AM ET
James Tanner: Brodie, Muzzin on Team Canada, 4 Who Should Retire + Tanner a Pirate? Yarr!
TJ Brodie is the best and deserves more respect.

- James_Tanner

Maybe Oel does, but Kane, Holtby and Panarin have been better that the other 3.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Feb 20 @ 11:37 AM ET
Maybe Oel does, but Kane, Holtby and Panarin have been better that the other 3.
- tomburton99


What?
jt6766
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.22.2013

Feb 20 @ 11:44 AM ET
Do the under 23 team next.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Feb 20 @ 11:50 AM ET
Brodie has a solid shot. The guy is an impact guy beyond just statistical analysis.

But the thing is, going with those "overrated defenders" as you say, has proven extremely successful in the past. And none of them are outside of what we can consider prime years.

The group on the blue line for the last Olympics might have put on the most dominant defensive display in international hockey history.
Of course the entire team deserves credit, but the blue line was the lynchpin. And weber and Keith were front and center along with doughty. Weber put on a show imo. An absolutely dominant tourney.

the group making the choices for Canada should have our faith not because of the positions they hold, but because many of them are the same group that picked the slam dunk success teams in the last 2 best vs best tourneys.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Feb 20 @ 12:01 PM ET
Do the under 23 team next.
- jt6766

It'll be easy to cheer for that squad

Connor, mackinnon, eichel, Larkin etc
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Feb 20 @ 12:10 PM ET
Brodie has a solid shot. The guy is an impact guy beyond just statistical analysis.

But the thing is, going with those "overrated defenders" as you say, has proven extremely successful in the past. And none of them are outside of what we can consider prime years.

The group on the blue line for the last Olympics might have put on the most dominant defensive display in international hockey history.
Of course the entire team deserves credit, but the blue line was the lynchpin. And weber and Keith were front and center along with doughty. Weber put on a show imo. An absolutely dominant tourney.

the group making the choices for Canada should have our faith not because of the positions they hold, but because many of them are the same group that picked the slam dunk success teams in the last 2 best vs best tourneys.

- HB77



I don't think you can read too much into the past tournament because the team was so stacked. Sure, the D was amazing, but so were the forwards and good forwards make D look good. It's not like they can really go wrong, I won't be mad or anything, Shea Weber is a good player. So is Keith.

But they've declined to the point where Brodie and Muzzin are legitimately better players and the team should not be sentimental and should take the best guys.

The most perplexing thing to me is people keep saying Pieterangelo should be a lock - he hasn't been all that good lately and is no where near as good as Muzzin or Brodie.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Feb 20 @ 12:12 PM ET
Stone Roses. Now you're talking James.

Sally Cinnamon
Elephant Stone
Made of Stone
The Hardest Thing in the World
Sugar spun sister
This is the One.

mlindsay
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Feb 20 @ 12:19 PM ET
I fear they will make the safe choices and load up on overrated players like Keith, Seabrook, Weber and Brett Burns.

I'm starting to question if you watch hockey at all.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Feb 20 @ 12:30 PM ET
I don't think you can read too much into the past tournament because the team was so stacked. Sure, the D was amazing, but so were the forwards and good forwards make D look good. It's not like they can really go wrong, I won't be mad or anything, Shea Weber is a good player. So is Keith.

But they've declined to the point where Brodie and Muzzin are legitimately better players and the team should not be sentimental and should take the best guys.

The most perplexing thing to me is people keep saying Pieterangelo should be a lock - he hasn't been all that good lately and is no where near as good as Muzzin or Brodie.

- James_Tanner

The team was stacked in some part due to a stacked defence. And it will be again. Up front and on the backend. I don't really get the argument here. I'm not gonna marginalize the defences accomplishments because of the whole team being good. I saw no indication that duchene or Getzlaf made weber look good. Either way, it still was one of the most dominant defensive performances in international history. Can't take that away from that group on the backend

I don't think babcocks/ holland etc inclusion of Keith and weber over muzzin will have anything to do with sentimentality whatsoever. Just like it wasn't when they initially picked them over some of the old guard years ago. I think it'll be because they legitimately think they're better nhl defenders than him. And I'd agree. Keith is currently the #1 all world dman for the reigning champs and possible best team in the league. And the reigning conn smythe winner. We're not talking some 37 year old that got a ring 4 years ago and is on his last legs.

I think Brodie gets real consideration, but again, does he replace those guys at the very top now? Probably not. They're still in their primes and He'll get his shot at some point

I haven't seen much of AP this year, but his numbers don't look fantastic.
I have no issue with excluding hi in favour of some other guys
deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

Feb 20 @ 12:33 PM ET
I'm starting to question if you watch hockey at all.
- mlindsay


He gets a lot of hits by saying poop like this.
magmoo
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Garf is expendabilittle., HI
Joined: 01.26.2012

Feb 20 @ 12:37 PM ET
Hey Tanner - if the Leafs win the draft lottery, the Yotes get the 2nd/3rd and the Pens make the playoffs giving the Leafs their 1st rounder.....

To the Leafs: Strome & the Yotes 1st
To Arizona: 1st overall & Pens' first

Thoughts?
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Feb 20 @ 12:41 PM ET
Stone Roses. Now you're talking James.

Sally Cinnamon
Elephant Stone
Made of Stone
The Hardest Thing in the World
Sugar spun sister
This is the One.


- walshyleafsfan


One of the greatest bands of all-time.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Feb 20 @ 12:42 PM ET
Hey Tanner - if the Leafs win the draft lottery, the Yotes get the 2nd/3rd and the Pens make the playoffs giving the Leafs their 1st rounder.....

To the Leafs: Strome & the Yotes 1st
To Arizona: 1st overall & Pens' first

Thoughts?

- magmoo


Trading Auston Matthews would be insanity and the Leafs would never do it.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Feb 20 @ 12:44 PM ET
Trading Auston Matthews would be insanity and the Leafs would never do it.
- James_Tanner

Oilers might


Oel....

We'll throw in Yakupov too
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Feb 20 @ 12:44 PM ET
He gets a lot of hits by saying poop like this.
- deadpoulet


I think T.J Brodie might be the best defenseman in the NHL who isn't Karlsson or OEL, so it's not about hits, it's more about this is what I think and I have stats to prove it and reputation is still the dominant form of player analysis, which is stupid.

There is no evidence to suggest Duncan Keith is better than T.J Brodie in 2016 and if you think I'm saying that just to say it then I can't help that - but I think it sounds something like a Trump supporter arguing against Bernie Sanders.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Feb 20 @ 12:48 PM ET
I think T.J Brodie might be the best defenseman in the NHL who isn't Karlsson or OEL, so it's not about hits, it's more about this is what I think and I have stats to prove it and reputation is still the dominant form of player analysis, which is stupid.

There is no evidence to suggest Duncan Keith is better than T.J Brodie in 2016 and if you think I'm saying that just to say it then I can't help that - but I think it sounds something like a Trump supporter arguing against Bernie Sanders.

- James_Tanner

The game is about more than just numbers imo. It's fluid. Not to say brodie isn't a great defencemen. But not sure I can agree that he's unequivocally better than doughty or Keith at this point.

Duncan Keith didn't have the best numbers in the game last year either and was absolutely unconscious ridiculously good in last years playoffs. Not a defender in the game that idve chosen over him at that point

The best player on the best team
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Feb 20 @ 12:50 PM ET
Team sanders I can whole heartedly get on board with though

The alternatives are scary for anyone's who's not a rabid racist, fundamentalist Bible thumper or a lobbyist for big banking. Just a total mess that country is

Go Bernie
TommyHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.23.2013

Feb 20 @ 1:06 PM ET
I don't think you can read too much into the past tournament because the team was so stacked. Sure, the D was amazing, but so were the forwards and good forwards make D look good. It's not like they can really go wrong, I won't be mad or anything, Shea Weber is a good player. So is Keith.

But they've declined to the point where Brodie and Muzzin are legitimately better players and the team should not be sentimental and should take the best guys.

The most perplexing thing to me is people keep saying Pieterangelo should be a lock - he hasn't been all that good lately and is no where near as good as Muzzin or Brodie.

- James_Tanner

You can't be serious.
NEONDOUBLEDION
Anaheim Ducks
Location: EDMONTON, AB
Joined: 02.04.2015

Feb 20 @ 1:10 PM ET
The game is about more than just numbers imo. It's fluid. Not to say brodie isn't a great defencemen. But not sure I can agree that he's unequivocally better than doughty or Keith at this point.

Duncan Keith didn't have the best numbers in the game last year either and was absolutely unconscious ridiculously good in last years playoffs. Not a defender in the game that idve chosen over him at that point

The best player on the best team

- HB77



I am a huge Brodie fan and even I do not think he is better than Keith right now. The guy is just starting to hit his stride. I still want to see him maintain this level and even get better before claiming that he is a top 5 d man.
SimpleJack
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago , IL
Joined: 05.23.2013

Feb 20 @ 1:29 PM ET
Yet another blog from James Tanner with fake opinions made purely for click bait. Nothing this guy says should be taken seriously, as he himself doesn't even believe what he types. It's all for show, I hope everyone realizes this...
masterhans
Los Angeles Kings
Location: alta loma, CA
Joined: 02.22.2011

Feb 20 @ 1:48 PM ET
Team sanders I can whole heartedly get on board with though

The alternatives are scary for anyone's who's not a rabid racist, fundamentalist Bible thumper or a lobbyist for big banking. Just a total mess that country is

Go Bernie

- HB77

suck it northern mexico
sniper11
Anaheim Ducks
Location: CA
Joined: 06.12.2014

Feb 20 @ 2:03 PM ET
I think T.J Brodie might be the best defenseman in the NHL who isn't Karlsson or OEL, so it's not about hits, it's more about this is what I think and I have stats to prove it and reputation is still the dominant form of player analysis, which is stupid.

There is no evidence to suggest Duncan Keith is better than T.J Brodie in 2016 and if you think I'm saying that just to say it then I can't help that - but I think it sounds something like a Trump supporter arguing against Bernie Sanders.
- James Tanner


You are just saying that, because there is actually a whole lot of evidence to suggest Duncan Keith is better than T.J. Brodie in 2016. It very easy to find too. The concept of facts totally escape you.
molly2522
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: long beach, IN
Joined: 07.13.2011

Feb 20 @ 2:07 PM ET
As an American I wish they gave you the authority to choose the team since your statement about Keith being overrated indicates you know nothing about hockey or talent evaluation
Did you miss last years stanley cup playoffs were he was near perfect while playing 30 minutes a game
NEONDOUBLEDION
Anaheim Ducks
Location: EDMONTON, AB
Joined: 02.04.2015

Feb 20 @ 2:10 PM ET
As an American I wish they gave you the authority to choose the team since your statement about Keith being overrated indicates you know nothing about hockey or talent evaluation
Did you miss last years stanley cup playoffs were he was near perfect while playing 30 minutes a game

- molly2522


Play-offs are irrelevant just like power play points. They don't tell you the real story of who a player is.
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