Jason Lewis: Nick Ebert Trying to Find Consistency While Traversing the Learning Curve

Why hasn't Schultz been given a chance with the Kings? Is he worse than McNabb, McBain or the Chicken McNugget?

Why hasn't Schultz been given a chance with the Kings? Is he worse than McNabb, McBain or the Chicken McNugget?
- kingsfan626

Yes to being not as useful quality wise vs McNabb

and I don't think he is "Worse" than McBain by any stretch. He is just a different kind of defender than McBain, and one they didn't really need in comparison to what McBain brings to the table.

#FreeSlava

Great read Jason, I love getting these updates on the guys in the pipeline

Great read Jason, I love getting these updates on the guys in the pipeline
- MikeOxbyg

Thank you for reading! I'm glad you enjoy the updates. Some interesting guys in the pipeline. Ebert is actually a very good interview. Easy to talk to, gives thoughtful answers, which is nice

That "incidental" contact with the goalie call I'm not too sure about. Quick was already going in the opposite direction and it hardly looked like Quick was touched. Except for colbourn backed up against Quick. Other than that, it looked like a good goal to me.... It's those ticky tack calls for goalie interference that scares me come playoff time

199 consecutive sell outs

199 consecutive sell outs
- KINGS67

How can that be? I thought we were just fair weather fans.

Completely off topic, but I was just reading this piece by Gary Lawless on TSN:

"Doughty’s shot suppression numbers are much better than Karlsson’s, but they should be when team effects are considered. The Kings are way better than the Senators. Doughty is playing with much better players, ergo his defensive numbers benefit.

The relative numbers are key to this discussion. How do the Kings and Senators fare when these two players are off the ice? What defensive impact are they having on their teams?
They have nearly identical impact in how much better their team does in Corsi and Fenwick against per minute. Doughty's numbers are slightly better, but not significantly.

When Karlsson is off the ice, the Senators possession metrics drop through the floor. When Doughty is on the bench, the Kings stay fairly flat."

I've heard this argument before, and maybe I'm out to lunch, but the logic just doesn't seem to work. On one hand he says Doughty's defensive numbers benefit from the team he's on, but then on the other he wants us to look at how the Senator's possession numbers fall off a cliff without Karlsson. It's the same concept. Doughty's possession numbers are better, but since the Kings are a better team their numbers don't drop as much without him as Ottawa's does without Karlsson. Of course there's going to be a larger on/off ice differential for Karlsson over Doughty, the former plays for a garbage team and one doesn't. Or am I just a homer on this?

Completely off topic, but I was just reading this piece by Gary Lawless on TSN:

"Doughty’s shot suppression numbers are much better than Karlsson’s, but they should be when team effects are considered. The Kings are way better than the Senators. Doughty is playing with much better players, ergo his defensive numbers benefit.

The relative numbers are key to this discussion. How do the Kings and Senators fare when these two players are off the ice? What defensive impact are they having on their teams?
They have nearly identical impact in how much better their team does in Corsi and Fenwick against per minute. Doughty's numbers are slightly better, but not significantly.

When Karlsson is off the ice, the Senators possession metrics drop through the floor. When Doughty is on the bench, the Kings stay fairly flat."

I've heard this argument before, and maybe I'm out to lunch, but the logic just doesn't seem to work. On one hand he says Doughty's defensive numbers benefit from the team he's on, but then on the other he wants us to look at how the Senator's possession numbers fall off a cliff without Karlsson. It's the same concept. Doughty's possession numbers are better, but since the Kings are a better team their numbers don't drop as much without him as Ottawa's does without Karlsson. Of course there's going to be a larger on/off ice differential for Karlsson over Doughty, the former plays for a garbage team and one doesn't. Or am I just a homer on this?
- PancakesPenner

You're not a homer. There are good arguments on both sides, and this is kind of where the advanced stats group is splitting.

Karlsson IS on a much worse team, and in theory if he was playing on the Kings in the exact same role as Doughty his shot suppression numbers would indeed be better. If you put Doughty on the Senators would he be posting similar numbers?

This is kind of why people are looking at relative shot suppression, but why that can still be misleading. It is, in theory, trying to say player A would be better than player B if the two were swapped. Karlsson is posting some better or equivalent numbers on a worse team than Doughty. Except, Karlsson's defensive numbers aren't as good but he has the fallback of Ottawa being bad.

I'd be okay with either winning, but I think Karlsson does have an advantage in his position and probably should get the nod based purely on how crazy good his offensive year is.

People like you and I get to watch Doughty every single night and get to see him do a lot of things like dictate offense, breakouts, carry outs, break up 2v1s, and a lot of that stuff won't show up in a comparison unless you've really watched them all year. Both deserve it tbh, but only one can win.

How can that be? I thought we were just fair weather fans.

- Gretz2Kurri

It all started before they won in 2012 too. Back in like November 2011

You're not a homer. There are good arguments on both sides, and this is kind of where the advanced stats group is splitting.

Karlsson IS on a much worse team, and in theory if he was playing on the Kings in the exact same role as Doughty his shot suppression numbers would indeed be better. If you put Doughty on the Senators would he be posting similar numbers?

This is kind of why people are looking at relative shot suppression, but why that can still be misleading. It is, in theory, trying to say player A would be better than player B if the two were swapped. Karlsson is posting some better or equivalent numbers on a worse team than Doughty. Except, Karlsson's defensive numbers aren't as good but he has the fallback of Ottawa being bad.

I'd be okay with either winning, but I think Karlsson does have an advantage in his position and probably should get the nod based purely on how crazy good his offensive year is.

People like you and I get to watch Doughty every single night and get to see him do a lot of things like dictate offense, breakouts, carry outs, break up 2v1s, and a lot of that stuff won't show up in a comparison unless you've really watched them all year. Both deserve it tbh, but only one can win.
- Jason_Lewis

Karlsson's team isn't going to the playoffs so he shouldn't be awarded

This was the argument for some last year when Doughty didn't win.

Karlsson's team isn't going to the playoffs so he shouldn't be awarded

This was the argument for some last year when Doughty didn't win.
- KINGS67

I don't necessarily think he should be disqualified since his team didn't make the playoffs. I do, however, think he should be disqualified because he's the #1 defenseman on the 4th worst defensive team in the NHL. Even though the Kings didn't make the playoffs last year, they were the 4th best defensive team in the league.

I don't necessarily think he should be disqualified since his team didn't make the playoffs. I do, however, think he should be disqualified because he's the #1 defenseman on the 4th worst defensive team in the NHL. Even though the Kings didn't make the playoffs last year, they were the 4th best defensive team in the league.
- tkecanuck341

I was kind of making a joke. 🤓

Jason Lewis: Nick Ebert Trying to Find Consistency While Traversing the Learning Curve
- Jason_Lewis

Not sure I've seen a game where the zebras lost their whistles. Then they found their whistle on a phantom high stick on Doughty. Even so, the Stars outplayed the Kings.

Not sure I've seen a game where the zebras lost their whistles. Then they found their whistle on a phantom high stick on Doughty. Even so, the Stars outplayed the Kings.
- arh777

Terrible officiating.

How do you blow the play dead on a too many men on the ice get together and realize oops it was a mistake?

Or the numerous high sticks. Including a double minor that most likely would never let the Stars get that 3rd goal.

The entire officiating team last night should all be fined

Why hasn't Schultz been given a chance with the Kings? Is he worse than McNabb, McBain or the Chicken McNugget?
- kingsfan626

Schultz is too slow to be effective vs a quick team like San Jose. Also for such a big frame he needs to learn to make opponents afraid to enter the zone. That's one thing McNabb brings to the table when he's not turning over the puck and being out of position.