Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks reality as trade sellers taking hold - Anaheim a partner? The Anaheim Ducks are being mentioned as a potential trade partner in a deal for the Vancouver Canucks' Jannik Hansen or Ryan Miller, as the wheels continue to turn ahead of the March 1 trade deadline.

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As they all say... "Thanks Carol".

Thank you Carol,

If the Canucks are still on the "we have depth at D and are willing to listen" then the Hainsey deal is music to their ears. a 2nd round pick for an expiring contract, 35 year old, bottom 6 D-man is a steep price to pay.

Maybe we could move Utica down to the ECHL. I mean, they aren't good enough to be in the AHL right now...

Thank you Carol,

If the Canucks are still on the "we have depth at D and are willing to listen" then the Hainsey deal is music to their ears. a 2nd round pick for an expiring contract, 35 year old, bottom 6 D-man is a steep price to pay.
- Codes1087

Retaining salary definitely helped but Stone and Hainsey are nothing more than bottom pairing guys and the returns have been solid. This hopefully is motivation to sell while the market appears ripe

Man I wish they would just trade Edler.... He has always been brutal and he will always be brutal.

Why trade a young, proven NHL player for the possibility of drafting a young NHL player?

-whiskey-tango from last blog.

Because Hutton has proven he can be a bottom pair guy, has been awful against any real competition. If he could be traded for a 1st rounder, it could be a much better player than a bottom pair d-man pp specialist. That would be why I'd trade him for a 1st, but some people think (likely you) that he will be better. To me, he hasn't 'proven' to be much a NHL player.

Man I wish they would just trade Edler.... He has always been brutal and he will always be brutal.
- Mortalis

except for in every statistical metric available to evaluate players. He's pretty much the opposite of brutal by those.

@Stringer


Not a bad idea.

-whiskey-tango from last blog.

Because Hutton has proven he can be a bottom pair guy, has been awful against any real competition. If he could be traded for a 1st rounder, it could be a much better player than a bottom pair d-man pp specialist. That would be why I'd trade him for a 1st, but some people think (likely you) that he will be better. To me, he hasn't 'proven' to be much a NHL player.
- neem55

hes been in the league for 1.5 seasons.. He hasn't proven anything yet... He has not done anything that would make him fetch a 1st round pick, or a 4th round pick. It's premature to think he won't improve and premature to think he can be anything more than a top 4 D man.

hes been in the league for 1.5 seasons.. He hasn't proven anything yet... He has not done anything that would make him fetch a 1st round pick, or a 4th round pick. It's premature to think he won't improve and premature to think he can be anything more than a top 4 D man.
- Codes1087

Totally fair. I posted, if Hutton could be dealt for a 1st would you do it. W-T's response was no, hence my reply above. So, you may or may not be missing some context.

hes been in the league for 1.5 seasons.. He hasn't proven anything yet... He has not done anything that would make him fetch a 1st round pick, or a 4th round pick. It's premature to think he won't improve and premature to think he can be anything more than a top 4 D man.
- Codes1087

pretty much, the most we could trade him for is a 3rd rounder. He has the speed and has decent vision,but he has to improve on his breakouts and getting stronger. Gets pushed around way too much.

pretty much, the most we could trade him for is a 3rd rounder. He has the speed and has decent vision,but he has to improve on his breakouts and getting stronger. Gets pushed around way too much.
- SRam19

He has to improve on defending.

Totally fair. I posted, if Hutton could be dealt for a 1st would you do it. W-T's response was no, hence my reply above. So, you may or may not be missing some context.
- neem55

I think there is something to say about a young D man who is able to stay in the league at an early age without bouncing from the press box to the minors or whatever, but I also think there are tons of up and coming D-man that the same could be said for. I don't think he is worth a 1st, and I don't think he is worth a 5th. Do you entertain a 1st round pick for Hutton, yah I would, but I am also not sure you pull the trigger because Hutton has shown promise.

it is always going to take a few years to evaluate a defenceman and the second year is often where you see a dip, ask Flyer fans about Ghost. I think Codes comment is correct and I think next year is going to be a difficult one for Stecher.

-whiskey-tango from last blog.

Because Hutton has proven he can be a bottom pair guy, has been awful against any real competition. If he could be traded for a 1st rounder, it could be a much better player than a bottom pair d-man pp specialist. That would be why I'd trade him for a 1st, but some people think (likely you) that he will be better. To me, he hasn't 'proven' to be much a NHL player.
- neem55

It's this kind of reasoning that makes me have zero faith in this fan-bases ability to withstand a reasonable, progressive rebuild.

Going by your example, Hutton would likely be traded to a competitive team, thus we would be talking about a late 1st rounder.

1st round picks have generally been agreed upon to have an 80% chance of playing atleast 100 NHL games.

The odds that this first rounder would play more then 100 games in the NHL while simultaneously being better then Hutton drop significantly.

Hutton has already overcome the biggest obstacle faced by any and all prospects; making the NHL. Moreover, its extremely reasonable to predict that he will improve, as he's only 23 and has only played 124 games, thus already beating the odds of the first round pick success rate.

To peg any player as 'only being capable' of a certain role at that age, with that experience is extremely sad. My heart goes out to poor O.J who will surely be decapitated by this fan-base after he fails to put up 40+ points per season in his first few seasons.

It's this kind of reasoning that makes me have zero faith in this fan-bases ability to withstand a reasonable, progressive rebuild.

Going by your example, Hutton would likely be traded to a competitive team, thus we would be talking about a late 1st rounder.

1st round picks have generally been agreed upon to have an 80% chance of playing atleast 100 NHL games.

The odds that this first rounder would play more then 100 games NHL while simultaneously being better then Hutton drop significantly.

Hutton has already overcome the biggest obstacle faced by any and all prospects; making the NHL. Moreover, its extremely reasonable to predict that he will improve, as he's only 23 and has only played 124 games, thus already beating the odds of the first round pick success rate.

To peg any player as 'only being capable' of a certain role at that age, with that experience is extremely sad. My heart goes out to poor O.J who will surely be decapitated by this fan-base after he fails to put up 40+ points per season in his first few seasons.
- Whiskey-Tango

patience is a virtue, and this fanbase knows nothing of it. From Jim Bennings trades, to expiring contracts, to rookies gaining experience and developing, this fan base needs patience in regards to all things Canucks. Rome wasn't built in a day, and this franchise won't win its first Stanley cup in the next 2 or 3 years. The sooner everyone realizes that, the sooner everyone will start to see the positives. Average roster age has gone down significantly, aging core contracts are about to expire, Horvat is a stud, 4 of the top 40 best prospects belong to us, we are making progress but it all takes time.

Thank you Carol,

If the Canucks are still on the "we have depth at D and are willing to listen" then the Hainsey deal is music to their ears. a 2nd round pick for an expiring contract, 35 year old, bottom 6 D-man is a steep price to pay.
- Codes1087

Don't you think that puts more pressure on Benning to beat that?

It's this kind of reasoning that makes me have zero faith in this fan-bases ability to withstand a reasonable, progressive rebuild.

Going by your example, Hutton would likely be traded to a competitive team, thus we would be talking about a late 1st rounder.

1st round picks have generally been agreed upon to have an 80% chance of playing atleast 100 NHL games.

The odds that this first rounder would play more then 100 games NHL while simultaneously being better then Hutton drop significantly.

Hutton has already overcome the biggest obstacle faced by any and all prospects; making the NHL. Moreover, its extremely reasonable to predict that he will improve, as he's only 23 and has only played 124 games, thus already beating the odds of the first round pick success rate.

To peg any player as 'only being capable' of a certain role at that age, with that experience is extremely sad. My heart goes out to poor O.J who will surely be decapitated by this fan-base after he fails to put up 40+ points per season in his first few seasons.
- Whiskey-Tango

That's fair. I've been unimpressed with his ability to defend, which he doesn't seem to be getting better at (thus I think it's reasonable to assume this trend will continue). While I have been impressed by Stecher, whom facing better competition than Hutton has done quite a bit better defenisvely. While I agree, breaking the threshold and making it is a big obstacle and we may get a bust by trading him for a 1st, I still think that would be a great trade for us as our GM has drafted very well and is by all accounts very good at drafting/scouting.

patience is a virtue, and this fanbase knows nothing of it. From Jim Bennings trades, to expiring contracts, to rookies gaining experience and developing, this fan base needs patience in regards to all things Canucks. Rome wasn't built in a day, and this franchise won't win its first Stanley cup in the next 2 or 3 years. The sooner everyone realizes that, the sooner everyone will start to see the positives. Average roster age has gone down significantly, aging core contracts are about to expire, Horvat is a stud, 4 of the top 40 best prospects belong to us, we are making progress but it all takes time.
- Codes1087

Pretty solid ideas.

Don't you think that puts more pressure on Benning to beat that?
- Beatle_john

between this trade and Stone for a 3rd, I'd think the market value has been set. Should be able to get a similar return value.

Just in case you haven't seen this yet:

http://news.nationalpost....its-time-for-them-to-sell

And remember: I didn't write it.

..and just a few days ago someone was arguing that we are buyers on here...

patience is a virtue, and this fanbase knows nothing of it. From Jim Bennings trades, to expiring contracts, to rookies gaining experience and developing, this fan base needs patience in regards to all things Canucks. Rome wasn't built in a day, and this franchise won't win its first Stanley cup in the next 2 or 3 years. The sooner everyone realizes that, the sooner everyone will start to see the positives. Average roster age has gone down significantly, aging core contracts are about to expire, Horvat is a stud, 4 of the top 40 best prospects belong to us, we are making progress but it all takes time.
- Codes1087

I totally agree. I really like a lot of JB's moves. He has done much more good ones than bad, same with Draft picks, which I thinks means he's done a great job. IMO, he's done everything he said he would and exceeded my expectations (the EG deal in particular I thought was very good and didn't see coming). I simply think trading assets for picks is a solid move, we've got a GM that specializes in drafting.