Ryan Wilson: What should the Penguins pay Brian Dumoulin? What should the Penguins pay Brian Dumoulin?

I think it's closer to 3.5m for 4 years.. but (frank) I'd love the idea of Dumo for 3m per year. That's exactly what he should be paid.

dumoulin: "Pay me ma money!....in cash!"

That model is cool, but without accounting for years it is pretty useless. I am not sure why that wouldn't be factored in

His Shot is good? Not a (frank)ing chance. He has the worst shot on the team, wrister/snap and slap. That should be his homework this off season.

Agreed. 5/$15 seems sensible for both sides. Wouldnt be upset with him getting an AAV of $3.5M but you cant match it up to the Maata contract.

Have to say though, he fits into that sweet spot where some team could offer sheet him without having to give much up. I could definitely see a team offering him a 5x$4.5M contract if they are missing that one piece on defence.

This adds another million

Crosby money, plus 3 Slim Jims per week.

This adds another million
- drummer829

5 years, $3.35 AAV and all the Labatts he can drink.

Good article. I agree with not overpaying him, regardless of the data used to back it up being relevant or not. His film/on-ice production is what it is, solid not spectacular. The Pens should give him 3-4 years, $3-3.5M and if he develops a serviceable offensive game or becomes a true shut-down guy, he can cash in at 28/29 again. Schultz is definitely more valuable $$$-wise at this point. The Pens need to remember they still have a hole on the 3rd pairing after Dumo and Schultz sign. Depending on prices/availability next week, I would be ok letting Pouliot and Ruhwedel battle it out for 6/7. The playoffs prove they can be successful with an unconventional group of D-men because of the strength of the forwards. If the 3rd pair struggles, GMJR can/will add another D man as there should be some cap space if they don't acquire someone now.

Agreed. 5/$15 seems sensible for both sides. Wouldnt be upset with him getting an AAV of $3.5M but you cant match it up to the Maata contract.

Have to say though, he fits into that sweet spot where some team could offer sheet him without having to give much up. I could definitely see a team offering him a 5x$4.5M contract if they are missing that one piece on defence.
- MacPatty

They could, but unless the negotiations go really poorly, I don't think it would work. He seems to like Pittsburgh.

While its nice to have dirt on speculation of inhouse canidstes for resigning, is there anything outside of Joe T going on?

IMO that model seems to consistantly undervalue what guys are going to get paid. Definitely a flaw in the model.

NO way shatty signs anywhere close to 6. kutznetsov seems low too. Got oshie right, but he also signed at a huge term to lower cap hit (i do think he's way overvalued).

I can't really see any rhyme or reason to that model in that spreadsheet. Only russel seems to be really over-valuing. Without any idea on the inputs into that model it looks very inaccurate.

Also you can't just generalize RFA versus UFA status on contracts. Guys like dumo ( 2 years to ufa) and schultz especially (1 year to UFA) should be treated like they are partially UFA guys. Schultz could easily sign a 1 year deal then get paid on his UFA years.

That model seems like its consistantly underweighting salary and has schultz at 4.8 and its calculated it based on rfa status when he's closer to ufa status. Not sure why he keeps throwing out 4.5.

Ok that model isn't worth the silicon its stored on. If your model has Ron Hainsey and Drouin as equivalent values then its a flawed model.

So what does next years d-pairings look like?
Maatta-letang
Dumo-Schultz
Cole-FA

Can't see Schultz making 4+ mil and being stuck on the 3rd pairing

Agreed. 5/$15 seems sensible for both sides. Wouldnt be upset with him getting an AAV of $3.5M but you cant match it up to the Maata contract.

Have to say though, he fits into that sweet spot where some team could offer sheet him without having to give much up. I could definitely see a team offering him a 5x$4.5M contract if they are missing that one piece on defence.
- MacPatty

According to Brian Burke, offer sheets are the bane of the NHL. Let's hope JR doesn't get caught with his pants down like he did.

"Good article. I agree with not overpaying him, regardless of the data used to back it up being relevant or not. His film/on-ice production is what it is, solid not spectacular. The Pens should give him 3-4 years, $3-3.5M and if he develops a serviceable offensive game or becomes a true shut-down guy, he can cash in at 28/29 again. Schultz is definitely more valuable $$$-wise at this point. The Pens need to remember they still have a hole on the 3rd pairing after Dumo and Schultz sign. Depending on prices/availability next week, I would be ok letting Pouliot and Ruhwedel battle it out for 6/7. The playoffs prove they can be successful with an unconventional group of D-men because of the strength of the forwards. If the 3rd pair struggles, GMJR can/will add another D man as there should be some cap space if they don't acquire someone now."

Completely resonate with this, no need to bring in a defenceman before the season. Ruhwedel adds toughness out there and played well this year when given the opportunity.

He's gonna need more money if he's going to be drinking 3 beers at a time. Plus he probably wants to upgrade from Bud Light.

Good article. I agree with not overpaying him, regardless of the data used to back it up being relevant or not. His film/on-ice production is what it is, solid not spectacular. The Pens should give him 3-4 years, $3-3.5M and if he develops a serviceable offensive game or becomes a true shut-down guy, he can cash in at 28/29 again. Schultz is definitely more valuable $$$-wise at this point. The Pens need to remember they still have a hole on the 3rd pairing after Dumo and Schultz sign. Depending on prices/availability next week, I would be ok letting Pouliot and Ruhwedel battle it out for 6/7. The playoffs prove they can be successful with an unconventional group of D-men because of the strength of the forwards. If the 3rd pair struggles, GMJR can/will add another D man as there should be some cap space if they don't acquire someone now.
- Jeterson2

Though I will add that if the opportunity arises to add pieces that upgrade the D in the next week or so they should absolutely do it. I dont think they should hang their hat on this past run's defence and ultimately their success.

Can't see him taking 5x15. Think he'd want his first year being an UFA to be closer to the beginning of his prime. Thinking 3x11

So Thorton wants a 3 year deal, which most figured he'd want.....dont see it happening with Pens if thats the case.

Can't see him taking 5x15. Think he'd want his first year being an UFA to be closer to the beginning of his prime. Thinking 3x11
- jchst22

Pretty sure he is already in his prime.

I add an extra million just for his beer drinking habits alone. The triple fisted pictures after the cup winning game was fantastic

"Completely resonate with this, no need to bring in a defenceman before the season. Ruhwedel adds toughness out there and played well this year when given the opportunity."

Given our lack of depth at RD and the injury histories of Letang (and to a lesser extent Schultz, should he re-sign), I would like us to acquire Franson on a low-cost deal to be the 3RD.

5 years, $3.35 AAV and all the Labatts he can drink.
- Emperor Filonius

When the Kings won the cup in 2014, they gave Martinez 5 years, $4m AAV
They gave Muzzin 4 years, $4m AAV Both deals were decent for Kings cap.
A miracle Dean Lombardi did not jack those up more lol.

I'd say $4m should be the max, but I would go lower if Pitt could get away with it.