Todd Cordell: Ranking Calgary Flames contracts: Part 2

Safe to say now... Carolina robbed the Flames on that deal.

David rittich sucks...

Anything above league minimum is an over pay.

For 2 years in a row now Rittch has been starting the season real strong (all-star caliber), before crashing down to earth sometimes in January or February.

Before I call him a super-duper 1A tender, I'll wait for him to man the net for 50+ above average games in a single season, and not 25 stellar ones/25 crappy ones.

Safe to say now... Carolina robbed the Flames on that deal.
- dozerD10

It it was Hanifin vs Hamilton 1 vs 1, yes, but it's not.

Rittich is definitely not giving the Flames 1A goaltending. Three years in a row now he's been bad when games start to matter. A save% below .900 after the All-Star break every year is not being a 1A.

He lost his job to Smith and was about to lose his job to Talbot. Maybe the months off will turn him back into fall time Rittich for when the playoffs start.

Safe to say now... Carolina robbed the Flames on that deal.
- dozerD10

Ferland and Fox are already gone, and Hamilton's gone after next year. Flames have 4 more years of Lindholm and of Hanifin.

Ferland and Fox are already gone, and Hamilton's gone after next year. Flames have 4 more years of Lindholm and of Hanifin.
- Hunkulese

Fair enough ... I’d still make that deal to get Hamilton though... he was on his way to a Norris this yr...

Fair enough ... I’d still make that deal to get Hamilton though... he was on his way to a Norris this yr...
- dozerD10

Bottom line is both teams are very happy from the trade.

Canes got a Norris-caliber dman.

Flames got a star forward on a ridiculously cheap contract and a solid if unspectacular top 4 d-man on a reasonable contract.

Bottom line is both teams are very happy from the trade.

Canes got a Norris-caliber dman.

Flames got a star forward on a ridiculously cheap contract and a solid if unspectacular top 4 d-man on a reasonable contract.
- redseerpf

I think Hanifin is fine and hopefully gets better, but he's definitely not solid. He might have the lowest hockey IQ on the team. He constantly makes boneheaded decisions on simple stuff like which way you're supposed to turn as a defender.

I think Todd hit the nail on the head with hanifin, overall not a particularly bad or good player. He’s fine as a #4 D albeit I would prefer at $.5-1m less. I keep him this year to see what we have in valimaki/kylington but I think at some point he will be a cap casualty.

Part of me is hoping that with the impending departure of hamonic, gio and Brodie aging that we can grab jeremie poirier and his saint johns teammate William Villeneuve in the draft this year. After valimaki/kylington graduate the cupboards pretty bare in D

I think Todd hit the nail on the head with hanifin, overall not a particularly bad or good player. He’s fine as a #4 D albeit I would prefer at $.5-1m less. I keep him this year to see what we have in valimaki/kylington but I think at some point he will be a cap casualty.

Part of me is hoping that with the impending departure of hamonic, gio and Brodie aging that we can grab jeremie poirier and his saint johns teammate William Villeneuve in the draft this year. After valimaki/kylington graduate the cupboards pretty bare in D
- RedC21

He has regressed. I wonder if the coaching change did not have something to do with a lot of Flames having off years. Read somewhere that it normally take about 20 games for a coach to implement a new system.

Would be interesting to see what a real coach could do with this team.

He has regressed. I wonder if the coaching change did not have something to do with a lot of Flames having off years. Read somewhere that it normally take about 20 games for a coach to implement a new system.

Would be interesting to see what a real coach could do with this team.
- DuranDuran

As far as hanifin goes while he did have a rough go more than you would like to see I wonder how much that was due to his partner hamonic having a terrible year. As Todd mentioned his play really elevated when giordano went out and he had to step up.

The coaching change could have a lot to do with it as well.

Personally even though the team was struggling before peter’s departure I think that had more to do with the players instead of coaching.

Right now I fear that last year is the best we’re going to see out of this roster and that a re-tool must be done before we can become a true contender.

As far as hanifin goes while he did have a rough go more than you would like to see I wonder how much that was due to his partner hamonic having a terrible year. As Todd mentioned his play really elevated when giordano went out and he had to step up.

The coaching change could have a lot to do with it as well.

Personally even though the team was struggling before peter’s departure I think that had more to do with the players instead of coaching.

Right now I fear that last year is the best we’re going to see out of this roster and that a re-tool must be done before we can become a true contender.
- RedC21[/quote]

I agree 100%. I am all for a re tool. Sign Hall and see what can happen.

[quote=RedC21]As far as hanifin goes while he did have a rough go more than you would like to see I wonder how much that was due to his partner hamonic having a terrible year. As Todd mentioned his play really elevated when giordano went out and he had to step up.

The coaching change could have a lot to do with it as well.

Personally even though the team was struggling before peter’s departure I think that had more to do with the players instead of coaching.

Right now I fear that last year is the best we’re going to see out of this roster and that a re-tool must be done before we can become a true contender.
- DuranDuran[/quote]

I agree 100%. I am all for a re tool. Sign Hall and see what can happen.

I’m personally not a fan of hall but if we could keep the term 5 years and under I would say do it, even if that means moving monahan for prospects/picks to make the cap work.

At this point I think lindholm’s potential as a 1C is higher than Monahan’s and he may be able move into the upper half of 1C’s in the league which is necessary to win a cup.

I’m personally not a fan of hall but if we could keep the term 5 years and under I would say do it, even if that means moving monahan for prospects/picks to make the cap work.

At this point I think lindholm’s potential as a 1C is higher than Monahan’s and he may be able move into the upper half of 1C’s in the league which is necessary to win a cup.
- RedC21

IDK, I think you hold onto Monohan. Lindy, can be the shut down guy and Monahan the goal scorer. We are thin enough at C as is.

With a declining cap and his trade value at a likely all-time low, now is certainly not the time to trade Monahan. You won't get to replace his production for less than 6.3 per (without giving away a truckload of assets), as deceiving as his overall play might be.

Anyways, the 2020-2021 season will be the last one the Flames have a realistic shot at some silverware. If they fail again, Monahan will in any case be on his way out, along with a bunch of other guys. Retool time.

Anyways, the 2020-2021 season will be the last one the Flames have a realistic shot at some silverware. If they fail again, Monahan will in any case be on his way out, along with a bunch of other guys. Retool time.
- redseerpf

That's nonsense. There are only two players that matter that are on on the wrong side of 30. They just need competent GM moves and they'll be in the hunt for at least five more years.

Retooling doesn't work in a league with as much parity as there is. They need to go all in with all they have right now and hope everything comes together one spring. After that, burn it all down for the ping pong balls.

With a declining cap and his trade value at a likely all-time low, now is certainly not the time to trade Monahan. You won't get to replace his production for less than 6.3 per (without giving away a truckload of assets), as deceiving as his overall play might be.

Anyways, the 2020-2021 season will be the last one the Flames have a realistic shot at some silverware. If they fail again, Monahan will in any case be on his way out, along with a bunch of other guys. Retool time.
- redseerpf

How is his value at an all-time low? Coming off a career year a season ago, sure, there was some regression, but the entire team regressed this year outside of Chucky.

I’m personally not a fan of hall but if we could keep the term 5 years and under I would say do it, even if that means moving monahan for prospects/picks to make the cap work.

At this point I think lindholm’s potential as a 1C is higher than Monahan’s and he may be able move into the upper half of 1C’s in the league which is necessary to win a cup.
- RedC21

I do think Hall coming to Calgary and getting to burn McDavid and the Oil 6 times a year has some appeal, but I likewise would not overspend either in term or dollars to bring him in.

4-5 years seems about right, and if you could land him around the $7-8M mark, I could see the Flames fitting that in with some other sacrifices (dmen namely)

maybe seguin needs a change, he had an off year.

Monahan/later pick for seguin?

maybe seguin needs a change, he had an off year.

Monahan/later pick for seguin?
- numbear

Are either player really that different from one another? Rather have Mony less $3.5M per season.

If it was a couple of seasons downturn for both guys, you could argue change of scenery, but one season seems a little quick-on-the-trigger IMO. Dallas was easily positioned to make the playoffs this year, so I doubt even with his "off" year that Dallas was looking to make a big change.

Their problem has historically been the defensive end of play and this was one of their better years as far as goals against has gone... think they possibly have a different style of play that's contributing to fewer points for TS.

Are either player really that different from one another? Rather have Mony less $3.5M per season.
- rmull905

Is that a joke? Sequin is an elite, one of the best players in the league guy. Monahan is James Neal. Not a scrub by any means, he can finish, but he is where he is because he plays with Gaudreau.

Is that a joke? Sequin is an elite, one of the best players in the league guy. Monahan is James Neal. Not a scrub by any means, he can finish, but he is where he is because he plays with Gaudreau.
- Hunkulese

LOL - and remind me again, who has Seguin had riding shotgun for the last 7 years? Couple of replacement value guys, right? I mean, Jamie Benn - that guy sucks. Arguing over linemates is moot unless Seguin was riding with Matt Cooke and Raffi Torres.

Seguin is an elite level player in the league, yes. He's in the 2nd tier of top centres (with Mony), but don't act like he's Kucherov or MacKinnon or McDavid either. He's a very talented, offensively minded centre. He's not physical, he has defensive gaps in his game, and, from a pure production standpoint, he's picked up .15 more points per game than Mony in his career, and over the last 3 years, the two are nearly on par with one another - Mony has .87ppg, Seguin has .89ppg

Where I can see an argument is that Seguin does it with a more evenly split zone start than Mony - but really, that's about it.

But hey, if you wanna pay Seguin $3.5M more for an extra 2 points per 82 games, have at it.