Todd Cordell: G23 Calgary Flames vs Ottawa Senators: The Tkachuk Bowl 2.0

This time they fight!!!

This time they fight!!!
- Turnitaround

It'll never happen. Do you have a brother??

Thanks Todd, 3m line benefiting from easier match up, they’re looking like the old 3m. Valimaki continues to impress, it won’t be long before he’s pushed Gio down the depth chart although Gio showed a pulse last game and looked very engaged.

Marky still out?

Flames score 8 tonight!

Forsberg to Calgary...phones buzzin...#insider

Forsberg to Calgary...phones buzzin...#insider
- jessehub

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Forsberg to Calgary...phones buzzin...#insider
- jessehub

I wouldn't hate this. Consistent goal scorer. He's a Swede so there is a connection that way. He plays left wing and shoots right handed so the right shot is something we could use for sure.

Forsberg to Calgary...phones buzzin...#insider
- jessehub

I would love to have him in a Flames uni. Probably costs Dube++, but I wouldn't say no. If Nashville is going full rebuild, would even see if they could take Lucic's cap hit.

Forsberg to Calgary...phones buzzin...#insider
- jessehub

Just what we need, another Swede. Used to tease my buddy that was a Canuck fan, how they were 1 more Swede from winning it all. I can see a role reversal coming up.

Just what we need, another Swede. Used to tease my buddy that was a Canuck fan, how they were 1 more Swede from winning it all. I can see a role reversal coming up.
- K-man25

We need a RW. Did Lindholm show well enough to make Monahan expendable?

It'll never happen. Do you have a brother??
- forbetterorWORSE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcwu3tGOhmw

Agree. The odds are low. But not non-existant

We need a RW. Did Lindholm show well enough to make Monahan/Backlund expendable?
- DuranDuran

I think all options need to be on the table. I thought Lindholm was pretty solid as 1C for sure. I would prefer him with Johnny and leave the other guy with Chucky.

If Forsberg were to come here, I think it's

Gaudreau Lindholm Forsberg
Tkachuk Mony/Backs Mangiapane
Dube Bennett Ryan
Lucic Who cares and whatshisname

I would love to have him in a Flames uni. Probably costs Dube++, but I wouldn't say no. If Nashville is going full rebuild, would even see if they could take Lucic's cap hit.
- rmull905

Dube has very little value in a trade. He's a +, not a centrepiece.

The only trade that would make any sense for the Flames is if Nashville would do it for Bennett, Ryan, and Zary, Pelletier, or a first round pick. They can't afford to be without anyone else for two weeks that would make the cap work.

Dube has very little value in a trade. He's a +, not a centrepiece.

The only trade that would make any sense for the Flames is if Nashville would do it for Bennett, Ryan, and Zary, Pelltier, or a first round pick. They can't afford to be without anyone else for two weeks that would make the cap work.
- Hunkulese

That imo is a way overpayment and should get Treliving fired for considering neutering our prospect pool. Fuk this team isn’t close enough to give up our last 2 first round picks or a lottery pick this year.

Dube has very little value in a trade. He's a +, not a centrepiece.

The only trade that would make any sense for the Flames is if Nashville would do it for Bennett, Ryan, and Zary, Pelltier, or a first round pick. They can't afford to be without anyone else for two weeks that would make the cap work.
- Hunkulese

Picking up Forsberg wouldn't be all about this season... he'd be fixing a long term issue and providing flexibility to move on from Monahan or Backlund.

If the Preds are looking for someone that can slot into their top 6, Dube is about the only guy I could see being of the right age and skill mix to be the centerpiece. Would be fine with Zary or Pelletier being in there instead though. And yeah, cap has to go back the other way. Don't think the Preds want to take Looch's cap hit for the next 3 years either - they'd likely have more interest in an expiring contract like Ryan, so I think you're right there.

I also think the Flames should be very wary about trading any picks right now. You trade 1sts when you're in the "window" not when that window is barricaded from the outside. Can't make the same mistake the Sharks/Leafs have made in the past around unprotected 1sts...

That imo is a way overpayment and should get Treliving fired for considering neutering our prospect pool. Fuk this team isn’t close enough to give up our last 2 first round picks or a lottery pick this year.
- K-man25

It's not all that much. Bennett wants out and won't be back next year, Ryan is zero value, Zary and Pelletier are good, not great prospects. There's also almost no chance the pick is a lottery pick if they're upgrading from Bennett to Forsberg. They'd also have Forsberg for another year and be in a position to recoup pretty much everything next year at the deadline if it's not working out.

He's the best player available. Going to have to give up something to get him.

That imo is a way overpayment and should get Treliving fired for considering neutering our prospect pool. Fuk this team isn’t close enough to give up our last 2 first round picks or a lottery pick this year.
- K-man25

Meh, I'd be fine with either Zary or Pelletier (not both) for the same reason we should have moved Bennett for Hoffman 3 years ago. Arguably, (very arguably) the ceiling for either guy is Forsberg, so why not get that actual production now?

Picking up Forsberg wouldn't be all about this season... he'd be fixing a long term issue and providing flexibility to move on from Monahan or Backlund.

If the Preds are looking for someone that can slot into their top 6, Dube is about the only guy I could see being of the right age and skill mix to be the centerpiece. Would be fine with Zary or Pelletier being in there instead though. And yeah, cap has to go back the other way. Don't think the Preds want to take Looch's cap hit for the next 3 years either - they'd likely have more interest in an expiring contract like Ryan, so I think you're right there.

I also think the Flames should be very wary about trading any picks right now. You trade 1sts when you're in the "window" not when that window is barricaded from the outside. Can't make the same mistake the Sharks/Leafs have made in the past around unprotected 1sts...
- rmull905

The Leafs have Matthews, Marner, and Nylander because of the mistakes they made in the past.

The Leafs have Matthews, Marner, and Nylander because of the mistakes they made in the past.
- Hunkulese

LMAO - sure, but that's like saying the Oilers got McDavid by trading Gretzky.

Nothing to suggest the Leafs might not have had Matthews, Marner, Seguin, Hamilton and Nylander as a result.

It's not all that much. Bennett wants out and won't be back next year, Ryan is zero value, Zary and Pelletier are good, not great prospects. There's also almost no chance the pick is a lottery pick if they're upgrading from Bennett to Forsberg. They'd also have Forsberg for another year and be in a position to recoup pretty much everything next year at the deadline if it's not working out.

He's the best player available. Going to have to give up something to get him.
- Hunkulese

Don’t agree both Zary and Pelletier played for Canada although Zary was a limited role. They can have Ryan and Bennett but this team isn’t close enough to mortgage the future.
7 years of this Treliving rebuild and we still can’t make is past the first round. Team is soft as marshmallows, not saying Forsberg is soft but man how many Swedes do you want on this team?

LMAO - sure, but that's like saying the Oilers got McDavid by trading Gretzky.

Nothing to suggest the Leafs might not have had Matthews, Marner, Seguin, Hamilton and Nylander as a result.
- rmull905

You really think they would've been as bad as they needed to be to get Marner and Matthews if they had Seguin and Hamilton?

Nylander, Marner, and Matthews came as a direct result of them screwing up their team so bad they got a bunch of good picks in a row. The Flames have never had multiple top five picks in a row and it shows.

Don’t agree both Zary and Pelletier played for Canada although Zary was a limited role. They can have Ryan and Bennett but this team isn’t close enough to mortgage the future.
7 years of this Treliving rebuild and we still can’t make is past the first round. Team is soft as marshmallows, not saying Forsberg is soft but man how many Swedes do you want on this team?
- K-man25

Playing for Canada means nothing except you're a great junior. The Flames have watched their prospects do great for Canada over and over and flame out in the NHL. The Flames' worst ever draft pick, Daniel Tzkachuk, played great for Canada and Marty Murray was unstoppable. If you look back at the Team Canada rosters over the years, less than half of the players turn into much.

If the Flames add Forsberg while only subtracting Bennett and Ryan, what holes are left? Maybe the coach ruins it, but that's about as complete a team as you can get. Best group of forwards in the division, best defence, and a goalie tandem that can compete with anyone.

Is there a team in the division that isn't soft?

You really think they would've been as bad as they needed to be to get Marner and Matthews if they had Seguin and Hamilton?

Nylander, Marner, and Matthews came as a direct result of them screwing up their team so bad they got a bunch of good picks in a row. The Flames have never had multiple top five picks in a row and it shows.
- Hunkulese

Dunno - was Seguin that much better than Kessel? Was Hamilton an impact defenceman prior to 2014?

Dunno - was Seguin that much better than Kessel? Was Hamilton an impact defenceman prior to 2014?
- rmull905

The Leafs were paying Kessel to win a cup for Pittsburgh when they were tanking for Matthews.

Playing for Canada means nothing except you're a great junior. The Flames have watched their prospects do great for Canada over and over and flame out in the NHL. The Flames' worst ever draft pick, Daniel Tzkachuk, played great for Canada and Marty Murray was unstoppable. If you look back at the Team Canada rosters over the years, less than half of the players turn into much.

If the Flames add Forsberg while only subtracting Bennett and Ryan, what holes are left? Maybe the coach ruins it, but that's about as complete a team as you can get. Best group of forwards in the division, best defence, and a goalie tandem that can compete with anyone.

Is there a team in the division that isn't soft?
- Hunkulese

So then it’s ok with you that Treliving has built team marshmallow because the othe Canadian teams are just as soft?
Mentally or physically soft is still soft.
There are also lots of junior players that play for team canada that turn out to be great players and to dismiss any prospect before we know what we got is crazy. Flames management may already know what they have in Peltitier and Zary but that’s the same team that has put this team together.
Not saying that they can’t right the ship and go on a run but before I would want to mortgage anymore futures I’d take the show me approach. I’ve been disappointed more than once.