Jeremy Laura: Reinhart rumored to be moved, could Yzerman make it work in Detroit?

Yzerman probably already placed a call and has a general idea what it would cost to get Sam should he want him.
For any players though a lot of time in forums like this people make trade suggestions and get laughed at, saying no way, and when an actual trade gets done. It’s for less then fans expect. Same thing with Jack I expect him to get traded, but the return won’t be what Sabres fans will be happy with. Or have them going that’s it?

Eichel would be nice if he can fully recover from his injury and depending on the price to trade for him.

Reinhart would also be nice but would also depend on what he wants on a new contract and what it would cost to trade for him.

Risto i don't want in any way, shape or form. He's a righty and doesn't fill any need aside from making the defense worst and adding unneeded salary.

I would be hesitant to give up Berggren, Veleno or Zadina. Rasmussen, Svetchnikov, Cholowski, Lindstrom are all guys i would be fine moving...any of those guys in a package won't get you Eichel but Reinhart maybe.

But, I also wouldn’t mind a Shelby modified Mustang Cobra in the garage.

I wouldn't mind that either although unless it was an old one, i would sell it in a heartbeat to buy something else. Already have 4 cars so i would be picky about adding another one.

Yzerman probably already placed a call and has a general idea what it would cost to get Sam should he want him.
For any players though a lot of time in forums like this people make trade suggestions and get laughed at, saying no way, and when an actual trade gets done. It’s for less then fans expect. Same thing with Jack I expect him to get traded, but the return won’t be what Sabres fans will be happy with. Or have them going that’s it?
- Dropthepucknotgloves

I really appreciate where you’re coming from. In “Big” deals, usually one GM comes out on top. (At least it seems that way). Once the cup has been awarded and everyone is hitting “brass tacks”, deals will start brewing. The draft is the peak market for picks (obviously) and it sounds like Buffalo wants this all done by then if possible. CBJ has three first round picks, and could end up being a favorite for Eichel. I’m sure Buffalo wants 31 offers if possible. Teams have to get cap compliant (with some grace) in the summer time so 3 way trades (we’re starting to see more) will be more likely after the cup is awarded. Should be fun

Eichel would be nice if he can fully recover from his injury and depending on the price to trade for him.

Reinhart would also be nice but would also depend on what he wants on a new contract and what it would cost to trade for him.

Risto i don't want in any way, shape or form. He's a righty and doesn't fill any need aside from making the defense worst and adding unneeded salary.

I would be hesitant to give up Berggren, Veleno or Zadina. Rasmussen, Svetchnikov, Cholowski, Lindstrom are all guys i would be fine moving...any of those guys in a package won't get you Eichel but Reinhart maybe.

Yeah, I feel you on the young guys but the value for the 4 older you listed really isn’t super high. As for righty’s (work ethic aside) I don’t mind having an imbalance with a right shot on the left side. We did it plenty with left shots. As long as it’s a good player I’m good with it. Risto is very divisive on this board. I don’t hear much lukewarm. Yours is the more popular sentiment, for sure

I wouldn't mind that either although unless it was an old one, i would sell it in a heartbeat to buy something else. Already have 4 cars so i would be picky about adding another one.
- dcz28

Yeah pretty sure Buffalo would want something substantial for a 30 goal, 60 point player. Random prospect and a second 😆

Yeah, I feel you on the young guys but the value for the 4 older you listed really isn’t super high. As for righty’s (work ethic aside) I don’t mind having an imbalance with a right shot on the left side. We did it plenty with left shots. As long as it’s a good player I’m good with it. Risto is very divisive on this board. I don’t hear much lukewarm. Yours is the more popular sentiment, for sure

Jeremy Laura

Yeah i know the guys i listed don't have a lot of value and wouldn't do it for Eichel anyways. I would be ok with Raymond being in a deal for Eichel provided you know he will recover 100%. I know i'm in the minority but i just have higher hopes for Berggren than i do for Raymond.

I get the right/left thing and i am fine with adding another righty IF he is something the Wings need. If the Wings draft Brent Clarke for example i would be fine with it even if he is right handed. The potential to add a Makar type outweighs the fact he shoots right...plus you can always make a trade of one of the RD for a LD.

Yeah pretty sure Buffalo would want something substantial for a 30 goal, 60 point player. Random prospect and a second 😆
- halo63

Reinhart hasn’t hit 30 goals. 60 points for sure. Veleno and Berggren aren’t considered “random” by any means. Breggren has higher on ice accolades within the scouting circles, Veleno has a higher ceiling in those same circles.

They could well get a first, I’m not sure if Yzerman would be the guy to pay it

Yeah i know the guys i listed don't have a lot of value and wouldn't do it for Eichel anyways. I would be ok with Raymond being in a deal for Eichel provided you know he will recover 100%. I know i'm in the minority but i just have higher hopes for Berggren than i do for Raymond.

I get the right/left thing and i am fine with adding another righty IF he is something the Wings need. If the Wings draft Brent Clarke for example i would be fine with it even if he is right handed. The potential to add a Makar type outweighs the fact he shoots right...plus you can always make a trade of one of the RD for a LD.
- dcz28

I’m personally on the fence with Raymond, but the organization pointed out that he had the 5th most rookie points (in 34 games) in the SHL. For whatever reason, Yzerman had a “hands off” sign on him at the last trade deadline. Skating is through the roof, I just look forward to seeing him in GR this year to get a better gauge. At the time of the Mantha deal, the GMs who were in on talks commented that Larkin, Raymond and Seider were told to be unavailable (and only those three at that point). Things change for sure

I wouldn't mind that either although unless it was an old one, i would sell it in a heartbeat to buy something else. Already have 4 cars so i would be picky about adding another one.

If I ever get an older car, it’s going to be a GTO general. I saw one in blue decked out in Chrome and fell in love. I still have a soft spot for Mustangs, but if I had to buy a car “off the line” unmodified, it’d be hard to turn down a corvette. Those things breathe fire right off the line. But, when I see those two big bold white stripes on a Mustang it’s love at first sight. In Traverse city during Wings camp, there is a group of Dodge Viper owners that rent rooms at the same hotel my wife and I would go to. There are about 30 of them. A few had the Shelby stripes. Tasty. Very tasty.

These offers are laughable. Guys like Veleno, Berggren, Rasmussen have such little value in a trade. Berggren and a 2nd for Reinhart? My oh my. Zadina and a 2nd at least keeps the call going. But that 2nd probably needs to be a 1st. How about Hronek and a 1st? Buffalo might listen to that. But let's all try to be realistic. You don't get an asset like Reinhart for a B prospect and a 2nd. Why not just add Fabbri and get Eichel? Haha.

Yeah pretty sure Buffalo would want something substantial for a 30 goal, 60 point player. Random prospect and a second 😆
- halo63

I assume you are talking about Eichel since Reinhart has never hit 30 goals and only got to 60 points once.


He mentioned guys like Zadina, Berggren and Veleno for Eichel, those are not random prospects.

Reinhart hasn’t hit 30 goals. 60 points for sure. Veleno and Berggren aren’t considered “random” by any means. Breggren has higher on ice accolades within the scouting circles, Veleno has a higher ceiling in those same circles.

They could well get a first, I’m not sure if Yzerman would be the guy to pay it
- Jeremy Laura

On track for 35+ in the short season. 60+ points routinely. So a 2nd and throw in some “accolades “…

Alright guys. Let me re emphasize a quick point. It may only be possible to get Reinhart on a 1 year deal before the draft. If that’s the case, it’s going to affect the price unless you have an extension in principle. Please be respectful back and forth. It’s getting a little ridiculous with some of the condescending comments. I do these posts to engage fans and have some discussions. I’m asking again for respectful back and forth. If you can’t do that, just move on. Whether deals are good, bad or ugly, they’re just for fun. If you can’t have a decent back and forth, just take a pass on commenting for now

On track for 35+ in the short season. 60+ points routinely. So a 2nd and throw in some “accolades “…
- halo63

He only hit 60 points once.

42 pts
47 pts
50 pts
65 pts
50 pts
40 pts

(By season)

If I ever get an older car, it’s going to be a GTO general. I saw one in blue decked out in Chrome and fell in love. I still have a soft spot for Mustangs, but if I had to buy a car “off the line” unmodified, it’d be hard to turn down a corvette. Those things breathe fire right off the line. But, when I see those two big bold white stripes on a Mustang it’s love at first sight. In Traverse city during Wings camp, there is a group of Dodge Viper owners that rent rooms at the same hotel my wife and I would go to. There are about 30 of them. A few had the Shelby stripes. Tasty. Very tasty.

Jeremy Laura

Always loved those late 60's GTO Judge. In the Dazed And Confused movie when it starts and you see that GTO with the Aerosmith song Sweet Emotions...damn.

The corvettes are nice especially this one that the guy modified:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-87vDYAJ1c

You know what web site you write for right?

These offers are laughable. Guys like Veleno, Berggren, Rasmussen have such little value in a trade. Berggren and a 2nd for Reinhart? My oh my. Zadina and a 2nd at least keeps the call going. But that 2nd probably needs to be a 1st. How about Hronek and a 1st? Buffalo might listen to that. But let's all try to be realistic. You don't get an asset like Reinhart for a B prospect and a 2nd. Why not just add Fabbri and get Eichel? Haha.
- Kooleus

Zadina and a 1st for Reinhart? If that's the price they would want, i would hope Yzerman just tells them no thank you and hangs up the phone.

He only hit 60 points once
65 pts
50 pts
40 pts

(By season)
- Jeremy Laura

And missed 12+ games from injury last year. And on track for 70+ in a short season this past season. So that’s 3 past seasons of 60+/82 games, after hitting 50 a year after the rookie year.

Are you just hoping the Buffalo GM wanders over and sees your post, maybe forgets to do his homework, has a couple too many and makes a blunder of a deal?

And missed 12+ games from injury last year. And on track for 70+ in a short season this past season. So that’s 3 past seasons of 60+/82 games, after the forgivable rookie years.

Are you just hoping the Buffalo GM wanders over and sees your post, maybe forgets to do his homework, has a couple too many and makes a blunder of a deal?
- halo63

Being “on track for 60” isn’t the same as scoring 60. You can’t say he has done something three times that he’s done once or never (30 goals). I appreciate where you’re at, but what you said in him being an annual 60 point scorer isn’t true. Unless he hits the number, the claim can’t be made

Being “on track for 60” isn’t the same as scoring 60. You can’t say he has done something three times that he’s done once or never (30 goals). I appreciate where you’re at, but what you said in him being an annual 60 point scorer isn’t true. Unless he hits the number, the claim can’t be made
- Jeremy Laura

Of course. In the same vein, Is Jack Eichel worth a 6th rounder, having scored 2 goals last year?

If a players ppg is equal to X every year, we label them as this or that. Seasons cut short don’t equal lack of productivity. Is there anyone out there who honestly wants to consider Sam as anything less than a 60 pt forward?

Hey guys. Larkin hit 60 twice, so if Reinhart is worth a B level prospect and a 2nd, then maybe we should shop Larkin? Maybe get an extra 2nd thrown in? Don't laugh. Just getting a discussion going.

Of course. In the same vein, Is Jack Eichel worth a 6th rounder, having scored 2 goals last year?

If a players ppg is equal to X every year, we label them as this or that. Seasons cut short don’t equal lack of productivity. Is there anyone out there who honestly wants to consider Sam as anything less than a 60 pt forward?
- halo63

This literally started with you saying Reinhardt was an annual 60 point and 30 goal player. Those weren’t true. Of course you account for injury, but against didn’t accomplish what you claimed. I’m not sure why that has blown up so much

This literally started with you saying Reinhardt was an annual 60 point and 30 goal player. Those weren’t true. Of course you account for injury, but against didn’t accomplish what you claimed. I’m not sure why that has blown up so much
- Jeremy Laura

So to be clear, you are saying Sam Reinhardt is NOT a 60 pt player?

It’s blown up because everyone is calling BS on the underwhelming trade proposal and your lack of understanding what constitutes player production.

Someone brought up a good point. What would Detroit take for Larkin? Be reasonable, no BS just facts, what would it take for him, a player with similar production? Are you going to ship him out for a 2nd and a soured on prospect, what some blogger has referred to as accolades?

Funny, you want Sam Reinhardt. You know he’s really really good, top line good. But you want to pay a 3rd line price. Everyone who knows Sam Reinhardt knows he’s one of the most underrated, consistent forwards playing the game, and your package is very undersized.

It’s funny reading this stuff from people. Even the Sabres fans. It’ll always be “we want elite player X for dollar tree type value going back!” But when it involves their players it “my dollar tree valued player Y is worth Rolex type value! The thing is Eichel is and is considered elite by scouts, teams, media (unbiased) so your going to pay a premium! He’s a franchise center not many teams really have! It’s going to cost. As far as his contract is, we’ll if he was your franchise center and he was due for the contract your going to pay the same amount anyway so saying the cost of his contract brings the trade value down is just jibberish. Now for Reinhart, whom is a top 6 forward, top 2 winger (center for 2nd line, either wing on top line) is going to cost a lot too. His versatility is of value and that he’s an RFA also helps also. So to not include a first round pick for someone like him would have to include a top prospect. Because at the end of the day your acquiring something already known to be for payment of something that is what it is, prospects. Meaning unknown what your going to get. I’m a Sabres fan myself, may seem biased, but it’s really not that hard to figure out. Reinhart would actually look good with the wheel on his chest (I’m a fan of Detroit as well) but by all accounts he wants to play closer to his family. Being from Vancouver the thought is there but I got a sneaky suspicion Seattle could make sense for him as well as a face of their franchise too!