Jeremy Laura: Carter Mazur has virtual coffee with Carley, thoughts on “toxicity”.

just spill it

you don't even have to say anything specific, just post a link to something - even if it's only their hockeydb page

We were pleasantly surprised by Hronek, and it looks like Seider is more of a “fast track” prospect as well. The fact that Raymond is being brought over to Grand Rapids is also encouraging.

Odds to win the 2022 Calder Trophy: (Bovada)

Cole Caufield +115
Lucas Raymond +225
Vasily Podkolzin +400
Nick Robertson +400
Moritz Seider +1200
Quinton Byfield +1600
Trevor Zegras +2000
Jamie Drysdale +2000#NHLTwitter #NHL #Hockey #gamblingtwitter #sportsbetting

— Odds Shark (@OddsShark) August 11, 2021

I don't agree with this, as I feel Seider will fare better than Raymond, but never the less, it is interesting.

As for your post on criminality in our sport: Justice is no longer blind.....

raymond wont be on the team unless he goes crazy at training camp. seider is the teams best shot for the calder.

raymond wont be on the team unless he goes crazy at training camp. seider is the teams best shot for the calder.
- wingz4life

+1

It’s impressive that in just his second year he’s being brought over. It would be a huge leap to make Detroit. It’s not impossible, but it seems long odds. Seider, for sure, has the best shot of any Wing in a while (keeping in mind the season hasn’t even started)

As for your post on criminality in our sport: Justice is no longer blind.....
- HenryHockey

You used to have to dig a lot deeper, but things slip out way more than ever.

Nice article J, when will some Owners of all professional sports teams give up winning for morals? The whole gambling thing blows my mind, here you have a player competing at the highest level of their sport almost nightly and that high is not enough?

Nice way of hitting a touchy subject (no pun intended).

Here's where I am on this:
The Army sends newly enlisted kids to Korea (and newly appointed officers as well...). My 1st assignment as an officer was Korea, so this is 1st-hand knowledge and in/hind-sight. Korea is (was?) really like the wild West; people running crazy everywhere; alcohol, the threat (daily) of invasion from the North, etc... People were nuts. The saying was "If you don't drink when you get to Korea, you do by the time you leave. If you do drink when you arrive on Korea, you're an alcoholic when you leave." Now, being honest, that wasn't completely true, there were many people who didn't fall into that trap, but many did. It was an insane assignment. As I was prepared to move back to the US, I was having dinner with one of my senior leaders (incredible guy, served with General Colin Powell on the Joint Chiefs of Staff....high-speed guy), and we talked about the issue of "kids" being thrown to the wolves in Korea. My thoughts were, and remain; IF the kids are expected to be adults, they need to have the tools presented to them to ensure they at least have the ability to absorb and use the advice/tools given to them. Hockey/Pro Sports doesn't do that too much.....maybe they do now, but traditionally, they don't/didn't.

We need to help kids grow up quickly. There's a whole other conversation that could be had (many conversations, actually), about parents actually parenting, limiting internet exposure/access, society isn't a babysitter, etc... and from my seat, all are valid points. But I truly believe that what athletes are exposed to needs to be taught as a lesson to the new kids: "Hey, you have $10m/year, spend it wisely, invest, sports will not last forever nor will your body, people will lead you astray, random "hook-ups" can be dangerous, balance your check-book, don't gamble, "NO" means NO, etc... We have kids that may be book-smart, but not street-smart. My dad used to say "That's just common-sense, Michael." But it's not, at least it's not today.

We, as "elders" owe it to the kids (ours, athletes, Soldiers, police, regular kids, etc...) to show them the difference between right and wrong. If they absorb it, good. If not, at least we tried. A counter-point can be made that we aren't responsible for any of that. But if we don't try, who will? Now, I know I'm going to receive push-back on this, and that's ok because this conversations opens the doors to express ideas. I just think maybe not in society as a whole, but in certain circumstances (pro sports, college, the Military, law-enforcement, others...???) there should be an effort to give the kids tools to survive. I guess that's where I'm coming from. The problem is, the kids may not choose to heed the advice, that's their choice.

I just think that it's disingenuous to throw a brazillion $$$ at someone and automatically expect them to know what to do. If we try, and they don't heed advice, the kids pay the price & learn some pretty heavy life-lessons. If they DO heed the advice, there's still life-lessons from watching those we failed.

I don't know what the right way is with this. I've never had the kind of money these 18-19 year old kids have. Wouldn't know what to do with it!! I don't know who'd try to sponge off of me, who'd lead me astray....don't think anyone truly knows for sure until they have that $$; look at lottery winners But, at the very least, leaders need to enforce a culture of respect; respect for the team/organization, respect for each other, respect for fans, respect for yourself. And penalties need to be in place, meaningful penalties, for failing or breaking laws/rules.

thoughts?

Nice article J, when will some Owners of all professional sports teams give up winning for morals? The whole gambling thing blows my mind, here you have a player competing at the highest level of their sport almost nightly and that high is not enough?
- Tee56

Gambling is such an odd addiction. I’ve had family working or living in Las Vegas for as long as I can remember. Once you realize that people, day and night, walk in and hand over their money at a level that supports those gigantic casinos, it is eye opening. For pro athletes, there have always been internal poker games. Brian Burke talked about a player who he tried to ban. The man was losing 10k or more on every team flight. The player begged him basically saying he made tons of money, this is what he enjoyed doing. Getting to where you owe millions (sometimes within a very short time) is hard to understand. I had a good friend lose 30k in short order. I couldn’t believe it. That was more than I made the first year I was married (that was a lean year). But it was gone just like that. I’m grateful it’s something I haven’t had to deal with, because the results can be horrific. I watched him lose pretty much everything (home, family, fell into depression). He pulled out, but it was a long road

Nice way of hitting a touchy subject (no pun intended).

Here's where I am on this:
The Army sends newly enlisted kids to Korea (and newly appointed officers as well...). My 1st assignment as an officer was Korea, so this is 1st-hand knowledge and in/hind-sight. Korea is (was?) really like the wild West; people running crazy everywhere; alcohol, the threat (daily) of invasion from the North, etc... People were nuts. The saying was "If you don't drink when you get to Korea, you do by the time you leave. If you do drink when you arrive on Korea, you're an alcoholic when you leave." Now, being honest, that wasn't completely true, there were many people who didn't fall into that trap, but many did. It was an insane assignment. As I was prepared to move back to the US, I was having dinner with one of my senior leaders (incredible guy, served with General Colin Powell on the Joint Chiefs of Staff....high-speed guy), and we talked about the issue of "kids" being thrown to the wolves in Korea. My thoughts were, and remain; IF the kids are expected to be adults, they need to have the tools presented to them to ensure they at least have the ability to absorb and use the advice/tools given to them. Hockey/Pro Sports doesn't do that too much.....maybe they do now, but traditionally, they don't/didn't.

We need to help kids grow up quickly. There's a whole other conversation that could be had (many conversations, actually), about parents actually parenting, limiting internet exposure/access, society isn't a babysitter, etc... and from my seat, all are valid points. But I truly believe that what athletes are exposed to needs to be taught as a lesson to the new kids: "Hey, you have $10m/year, spend it wisely, invest, sports will not last forever nor will your body, people will lead you astray, random "hook-ups" can be dangerous, balance your check-book, don't gamble, "NO" means NO, etc... We have kids that may be book-smart, but not street-smart. My dad used to say "That's just common-sense, Michael." But it's not, at least it's not today.

We, as "elders" owe it to the kids (ours, athletes, Soldiers, police, regular kids, etc...) to show them the difference between right and wrong. If they absorb it, good. If not, at least we tried. A counter-point can be made that we aren't responsible for any of that. But if we don't try, who will? Now, I know I'm going to receive push-back on this, and that's ok because this conversations opens the doors to express ideas. I just think maybe not in society as a whole, but in certain circumstances (pro sports, college, the Military, law-enforcement, others...???) there should be an effort to give the kids tools to survive. I guess that's where I'm coming from. The problem is, the kids may not choose to heed the advice, that's their choice.

I just think that it's disingenuous to throw a brazillion $$$ at someone and automatically expect them to know what to do. If we try, and they don't heed advice, the kids pay the price & learn some pretty heavy life-lessons. If they DO heed the advice, there's still life-lessons from watching those we failed.

I don't know what the right way is with this. I've never had the kind of money these 18-19 year old kids have. Wouldn't know what to do with it!! I don't know who'd try to sponge off of me, who'd lead me astray....don't think anyone truly knows for sure until they have that $$; look at lottery winners But, at the very least, leaders need to enforce a culture of respect; respect for the team/organization, respect for each other, respect for fans, respect for yourself. And penalties need to be in place, meaningful penalties, for failing or breaking laws/rules.

thoughts?
- mcmastermike1968

It’s hard to imagine how I’d have handled literal millions in my 20s. In the 90s I read an article about NBA players. When the young guys got their first pay day, they were handed a bunch of catalogs. Expensive suits, cars, girlfriends for rent (not sure how to politely put that) were all there. Some of these guys came from nothing. All of a sudden, there’s pressure to look like a superstar. The NHL is a little different, but not totally. Veterans would “haze”. Young players by taking them to insanely expensive stores and restaurants. All of a sudden a young player gets a bill for 10k - 30k and can’t believe their eyes. Sean Avery did a piece on it a few years back, I’ll dig it back up.

At some point, some players go from having more money than they ever imagined in the bank to having less than they need. Some of them try to have people they trust help them out and get badly burned (Jack Johnson). As hard as it is to make a million, it seems a lot harder to hold on to it.

It’s hard to imagine how I’d have handled literal millions in my 20s. In the 90s I read an article about NBA players. When the young guys got their first pay day, they were handed a bunch of catalogs. Expensive suits, cars, girlfriends for rent (not sure how to politely put that) were all there. Some of these guys came from nothing. All of a sudden, there’s pressure to look like a superstar. The NHL is a little different, but not totally. Veterans would “haze”. Young players by taking them to insanely expensive stores and restaurants. All of a sudden a young player gets a bill for 10k - 30k and can’t believe their eyes. Sean Avery did a piece on it a few years back, I’ll dig it back up.

At some point, some players go from having more money than they ever imagined in the bank to having less than they need. Some of them try to have people they trust help them out and get badly burned (Jack Johnson). As hard as it is to make a million, it seems a lot harder to hold on to it.
- Jeremy Laura

i worked at a CPA firm the first 12 years of my career, eventually I worked in a department that dealt with high wealth individuals, often in the sports world. It was interesting to see the differences players from different sports. My experience at the time was NBA players especially spent $$ like their income would never end, but were one missed check away from bankruptcy. They wanted that MTV lifestyle. While some NFL players were like that, the NFL put a lot of time & resources into training rookies to make better decisions, and get them to recognize how incredibly low their chances were for having a long NFL career. I never had any MLB clients, but maybe they had their own programs. The hockey players I worked with were all great and down to earth. I don't know if all teams do it, but the Wings would have rookies live with veteran players their first year. It's not just a job when you're at the rink, but from the moment you wake up, and I'd guess living with a veteran who had his affairs in order probably gave a lot of good life lessons. I saw a lot of NBA players who would borrow against future earnings and would have their paychecks spent long before they got them, I never saw that with NHL players, but there are a few that got roped into really bad investments. I recommend they put a small team of advisors. If you have an agent, financial advisor and an accountant, and they are all independent of each other, you've got a pretty strong multi-disciplinary team. You don't have to put them on a payroll and it shouldn't cost much to retain them. They'll look out for you, and if one isn't, the other two will know about it. There are a TON of shady people who appear to be highly successful, and they target athletes, actors & musicians. They're very convincing and they'll have an address book of all these famous "clients" and they've drained an awful lot of them, but use their next victims to hide what they're doing to their current victims. I worked in that industry before Vegas had teams, and gambling wasn't legalized. I can't imagine what advisors are dealing with now. Athletes are so competitive and gambling was a huge part of sports before, with it all legalized now, it's got to be crazy. Edit: It's going to be MUCH worse with these kids being able to sell their likeness from high school on. The elite are going to be getting $$ much earlier, and the NCAA doesn't have the tools to counsel them like the professional leagues do. We're going to see some stuff...

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