Bill Meltzer: Flyers Preseason Gameday: 10/2/2021 vs. WSH

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Bill Meltzer: Flyers Preseason Gameday: 10/2/2021 vs. WSH
- bmeltzer

More than likely the opening night lineup less Hart. Not very impressive forward group imo. Way to many question marks.

More than likely the opening night lineup less Hart. Not very impressive forward group imo. Way to many question marks.
- hello it's me 2050

Which forwards, besides the 4th line, are you not happy with? And why?
Frost is the only question mark I see in this line up
If NAK can be the NAK from 19/20 that would really be great, too

Sure hope Frost plays well, moving G to center would make us really weak at LW, especially if Lindblom can’t regain his form. I am now really concerned about depth as it seems that few(generous) if any of our prospects look NHL ready or even a possibility in the future and injuries starting to pile up. All of that said, the spot that bothers me the most is backup goalie. Jones has been bad for a while now, and that is why he shouldn’t have been signed. There were plenty of backups on the market that were better and reasonably to somewhat reasonably priced. Looking for the first move of the year? If goaltending starts out like it played last year, they can’t wait for “Rusty” Jones to be “fixed” by Dillabaugh. They will have to do something about it, especially if the defensive play is better.

Wonder who Wilson will try to hospitalize with a blind side, late headshot tonight and then drop the gloves with renowned toughguy…Thompson. I can’t wait to see Wilson repeatedly get his ass beaten by real fighters this season. I would pay $500 to see him fight Morin.

More than likely the opening night lineup less Hart. Not very impressive forward group imo. Way to many question marks.
- hello it's me 2050

If we go off last years results I agree….but there are 4-5 guys that I am hoping will show marked improvement (and really should) that will change the narrative…..just throwing it out there….are the Flyers one of the teams that the Sabres are now providing medical information on Eichel to ?

Zac Rinaldo is getting paid to do nothing this season. That's nice

I hope they're not looking into an Eichel deal. Wouldn't surprise me though. It would have to be a very discounted deal but I doubt Buffalo is entertaining that. How long is Eichel expected to be out for?

I hope they're not looking into an Eichel deal. Wouldn't surprise me though. It would have to be a very discounted deal but I doubt Buffalo is entertaining that. How long is Eichel expected to be out for?
- dubc55

3 months “after” surgery. It wouldn’t surprise me either.

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- hello it's me 2050

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Which forwards, besides the 4th line, are you not happy with? And why?
Frost is the only question mark I see in this line up
If NAK can be the NAK from 19/20 that would really be great, too
- Bob Habib

For a team looking to "contend" having Frost and Brassard as your 2nd/3rd line center does not instill a lot of confidence imo. It is not strong in any way until proven otherwise.

Captain Clode has seen his production decline the last 3 years. Will it continue?

JVR had a little resurgence last season. Prior to that his production declined the last 3 years. What do they get this year?

Oscar we have to wait and see. Just an unfortunate situation.

The 4th line is the leftover players. Is that how you want to create a 4th line? Scot Laughton scored like 2 points his last 25 games or so.

You can use the If scenario for any player. Rather not have to hope on an "if" proposition.

So imo there is more than 1 question mark.

If we go off last years results I agree….but there are 4-5 guys that I am hoping will show marked improvement (and really should) that will change the narrative…..just throwing it out there….are the Flyers one of the teams that the Sabres are now providing medical information on Eichel to ?
- landros 2

What do the flyers have to offer that other teams cant beat?

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- GPerogie

they have some fluffy ass omelets !!!

More than likely the opening night lineup less Hart. Not very impressive forward group imo. Way to many question marks.
-hello its me 2050

I will grant you the lineup is not as impressive as we would have hoped, but I disagree there are many question marks, in fact its a pretty veteran laden lineup with very few question marks, i.e. you pretty much know what you are going to get here and its still better than last year!

Look, this team has already been hit with some serious injuries. Two young players that were expected to make the team and really pep up the bottom 6 (Allison and Laczynki) are gone for the year, we lost Hayes (our 2C) and Morin (7th defenseman that adds a much needed physical element) for at least the first 12 games, and our younger players are just not ready yet. Thus we have to force players up in the lineup where they will be less effective. We just have to hope we can tread water for the first part of the season and then start to click as the season goes along and players start coming back.

I will grant you the lineup is not as impressive as we would have hoped, but I disagree there are many question marks, in fact its a pretty veteran laden lineup with very few question marks, i.e. you pretty much know what you are going to get here and its still better than last year!

Look, this team has already been hit with some serious injuries. Two young players that were expected to make the team and really pep up the bottom 6 (Allison and Laczynki) are gone for the year, we lost Hayes (our 2C) and Morin (7th defenseman that adds a much needed physical element) for at least the first 12 games, and our younger players are just not ready yet. Thus we have to force players up in the lineup where they will be less effective. We just have to hope we can tread water for the first part of the season and then start to click as the season goes along and players start coming back.
- jd250

Tanner wasn't making the team. Losing Morin is irrelevant.

How effective do you think Hayes will be coming off double surgery within 5 months?

So if you are forcing players up in the lineup where they will be less effective wouldn't that qualify as being a question mark in the lineup?

Tanner wasn't making the team. Losing Morin is irrelevant.

How effective do you think Hayes will be coming off double surgery within 5 months?

So if you are forcing players up in the lineup where they will be less effective wouldn't that qualify as being a question mark in the lineup?
- hello it's me 2050

Playing players where they will be less effective is a certainty, not a question mark. However you make a good point about Hayes, and I think its also a question mark as to how well whomever the 13th forward and 7th defenseman will play, considering injuries will happen as they always do.

I don't think Morin is irrelevant, having a quality 7th defenseman is really important when the inevitable injuries start to occur. Its not a question mark when you are pretty certain a player is playing outside of their abilities, that my only point here. This team IMO will struggle the first part of the season, no question about it. How effective Hayes will be coming back is a question mark, that kid has had a lot happen to him in a relatively short time; and he's only human.
- jd250

well your definition of quality and mine differ. Morin hasnt shown to be an NHL dman. There is a reason he only played 10 minutes a night in a lost season.

If injuries occur , outside a game here and there, York and Igor will be in the lineup. Not Morin.

well your definition of quality and mine differ. Morin hasnt shown to be an NHL dman. There is a reason he only played 10 minutes a night in a lost season.

If injuries occur , outside a game here and there, York and Igor will be in the lineup. Not Morin.
- hello it's me 2050

If York is playing for the Flyers, that means they are in the deep doo-doo because of a many injuries. Seeler and Clandening are your call-ups once Morin is back. York and Zamula are not ready and rushing them will only hurt their development at this point.

As I have been saying the past few years. This organization lacks serious depth at the forward position. The fact that NAK is back is all you need to know. The guy is a penalty machine and not in a good way. They addressed their defense, but other than Atkinson they really did nothing at the forward position other than signing a couple of guys off the street. Sandstrom will be the backup goalie sooner rather than later cause Jones blows. Thanks!

If York is playing for the Flyers, that means they are in the deep doo-doo because of a many injuries. Seeler and Clandening are your call-ups once Morin is back. York and Zamula are not ready and rushing them will only hurt their development at this point.
- jd250

That is how you see it. Not how I see it.

York playing can be for one of several reasons. Not just the one you mention.

On paper the lineup looks really good and deep (forwards and defense), but knowing how the players have their ups and downs that gives concerns and uncertainty.

Then again looking at ALL other teams the same really can be said because when I look at the rosters of those teams I see uncertainty in every single one of them, but there is always more scrutiny when you only cheer for or watch one.

It's amazing how when a team succeeds as a group, not just individuals, those concerns melt away and all you have left is nitpicking certain players.

Tanner wasn't making the team. Losing Morin is irrelevant.

Depth is vital in the NHL so losing all these players early, especially when up against the cap, is a problem. Tanner is one of those key depth pieces. . .would you rather Bunnaman over TL considering he plays all forward positions? Would you rather Seeler over Morin as the 7th D? Losing Morin is far from irrelevant based on the role he fills.

Center is a serious issue with this team going back to the Hayes signing. Flyers overpaid for Hayes which I'm totally OK with when factoring in Patrick's health issues (which I'm sure the Flyers were aware of at the time). Imagine NOT having Hayes then and we'll unfortunately see the impact of not having him now. He wont be back effectively until late Dec. He might play sooner but I doubt he'll be impactful coming off these surgeries.

Flyers are putting all their eggs in the Frost basket at this point and I'm not so sure he's ready. Eric Staal is still unsigned as a UFA so I'd be curious to see if they could squeeze him under the cap utilizing the LTIR recapture. He's a more solid depth ctr than Brassard if Frost doesn't cut it (IMHO).

Tanner wasn't making the team. Losing Morin is irrelevant.

Depth is vital in the NHL so losing all these players early, especially when up against the cap, is a problem. Tanner is one of those key depth pieces. . .would you rather Bunnaman over TL considering he plays all forward positions? Would you rather Seeler over Morin as the 7th D? Losing Morin is far from irrelevant based on the role he fills.

Center is a serious issue with this team going back to the Hayes signing. Flyers overpaid for Hayes which I'm totally OK with when factoring in Patrick's health issues (which I'm sure the Flyers were aware of at the time). Imagine NOT having Hayes then and we'll unfortunately see the impact of not having him now. He wont be back effectively until late Dec. He might play sooner but I doubt he'll be impactful coming off these surgeries.

Flyers are putting all their eggs in the Frost basket at this point and I'm not so sure he's ready. Eric Staal is still unsigned as a UFA so I'd be curious to see if they could squeeze him under the cap utilizing the LTIR recapture. He's a more solid depth ctr than Brassard if Frost doesn't cut it (IMHO).
- Flyer Judge

yes rather have seeler. Morin fills no role. He is getting paid 750k to sit. He will not ever be in the lineup on a regular basis. He is a dime dozen 7th dman. Same as seeler. If Morin wasn't a 1st rd pick no one would give him the time of day.

yes rather have TL over bunny all day.

Sad the flyers haven't drafted a top 6 center since....

Bill Meltzer: Flyers Preseason Gameday: 10/2/2021 vs. WSH
- bmeltzer

Will it be another slow start for the Flyers tonight?

Playing the nhl lineup tonight. Would like to see a kid play in Nate’s place. We know what he is/brings.