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Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Oct 25 @ 6:21 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Road Trip. Phantoms.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Oct 25 @ 7:42 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Road Trip. Phantoms.
- bmeltzer


Thanks Bill
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 25 @ 7:46 AM ET
Doesn't sound like a great environment for a prospect to develop with the Phantoms right now. Hope that changes soon.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 25 @ 7:56 AM ET
Baffles me how you hire a guy with zero head coaching experience to lead the charge to develop your prospects. That decision makes zero sense then and now. What did or has "lappy" done to warrant getting that job?

Samu needs to go to juniors where he can you hope flourish. AHL is not for him imo.

They have some good quality AHL vets that shouldn't be struggling this bad.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 25 @ 8:19 AM ET
Baffles me how you hire a guy with zero head coaching experience to lead the charge to develop your prospects. That decision makes zero sense then and now. What did or has "lappy" done to warrant getting that job?

Samu needs to go to juniors where he can you hope flourish. AHL is not for him imo.

They have some good quality AHL vets that shouldn't be struggling this bad.

- hello it's me 2050



So you are saying NHL level assistant coaches are not qualified to be head coaches at lower levels?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 25 @ 8:22 AM ET
Tim Kerr is my 2nd most favorite Flyer of all time, just behind Clarke! Thanks for the video Bill!

Regarding the Phantoms, I know they have injuries but they still have some NHL experienced players on their team and some talented younger players. Is there a problem picking up the system Lappy and his coaches are installing here or is there something else going on with this group?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 25 @ 8:24 AM ET
Baffles me how you hire a guy with zero head coaching experience to lead the charge to develop your prospects. That decision makes zero sense then and now. What did or has "lappy" done to warrant getting that job?

Samu needs to go to juniors where he can you hope flourish. AHL is not for him imo.

They have some good quality AHL vets that shouldn't be struggling this bad.

- hello it's me 2050

He's played 4 games, don't you think we should give Samu about 10 games before we can evaluate what is best for him?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 25 @ 8:47 AM ET
So you are saying NHL level assistant coaches are not qualified to be head coaches at lower levels?
- MBFlyerfan

What has he done to warrant getting that role? Are you ok with them hiring him for the phantoms head coach gig?

He was at best an average assistant. He was also not top 2nd in charge assistant. Did he get demoted a couple time?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 25 @ 8:49 AM ET
He's played 4 games, don't you think we should give Samu about 10 games before we can evaluate what is best for him?
- jd250

No I don't need to give him 10 games. He should not be in the AHL at this time.

I have very little faith in the flyers properly developing him. They will probably zap all the offensive skill right out of him.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Oct 25 @ 8:57 AM ET
Baffles me how you hire a guy with zero head coaching experience to lead the charge to develop your prospects. That decision makes zero sense then and now. What did or has "lappy" done to warrant getting that job?

Samu needs to go to juniors where he can you hope flourish. AHL is not for him imo.

They have some good quality AHL vets that shouldn't be struggling this bad.

- hello it's me 2050

Read MBFlyerfan’s question again. How does an NHL assistant coach for multiple season not deserve a chance at an AHL head coaching job? It’s a pretty legitimate question.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 25 @ 9:00 AM ET
Read MBFlyerfan’s question again. How does an NHL assistant coach for multiple season not deserve a chance at an AHL head coaching job? It’s a pretty legitimate question.
- SuperSchennBros

Read my question again. What has he done to warrant getting that job? Him being a low level assistant warrants it? That is your answer?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 25 @ 9:01 AM ET
What has he done to warrant getting that role? Are you ok with them hiring him for the phantoms head coach gig?

He was at best an average assistant. He was also not top 2nd in charge assistant. Did he get demoted a couple time?

- hello it's me 2050



He was the lead player development coach, seems like a pretty logical progression to me.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 25 @ 9:02 AM ET
Why is Lappy still in this organization? Wow, he blocked a shot with his mouth in a playoff game 100 years ago, so he has a job for life. This is one thing about the Flyers organization that has always annoyed me! You paid the guy when he played now move on before he ruins these young players. The man can't coach!!!
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Oct 25 @ 9:02 AM ET
Read my question again. What has he done to warrant getting that job? Him being a low level assistant warrants it? That is your answer?
- hello it's me 2050

Being an NHL assistant coach and working with young players like Travis Konency, Ivan Provorov and Carter Hart is the answer. It’s not that hard to process.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 25 @ 9:04 AM ET
He was the lead player development coach, seems like a pretty logical progression to me.
- MBFlyerfan

He did such a great job in that dept. Who did he develop? How long did he hold that job for? A year? Also that was in 2012.

So as a flyers fan you are happy with this hire? Do you not think there were better candidates out there?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Oct 25 @ 9:04 AM ET
Why is Lappy still in this organization? Wow, he blocked a shot with his mouth in a playoff game 100 years ago, so he has a job for life. This is one thing about the Flyers organization that has always annoyed me! You paid the guy when he played now move on before he ruins these young players. The man can't coach!!!
- Phillywhiteout

This is a different argument entirely. If you wanna argue that he’s here out of misguided loyalty, that’s fine…but arguing that he’s never had any prior coaching experience to be given a look at is dumb.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 25 @ 9:05 AM ET
Being an NHL assistant coach and working with young players like Travis Konency, Ivan Provorov and Carter Hart is the answer. It’s not that hard to process.
- SuperSchennBros

That great. Flyers fans never disappoint. So guys who were pretty much NHL ready he gets credit for. Amazing.

He had nothing to do with Hart so stop that nonsense. Glad your happy with Lappy.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 25 @ 9:08 AM ET
He did such a great job in that dept. Who did he develop? How long did he hold that job for? A year?

So as a flyers fan you are happy with this hire? Do you not think there were better candidates out there?

- hello it's me 2050



We are having two different conversations. You asked how a guy with no head coaching experience gets a head coaching job in a lower level. I answered.



They hired a guy who was already very familiar with the players he would be coaching, and the systems the organization wants them to play.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 25 @ 9:09 AM ET
This is a different argument entirely. If you wanna argue that he’s here out of misguided loyalty, that’s fine…but arguing that he’s never had any prior coaching experience to be given a look at is dumb.
- SuperSchennBros
What has he done successfully as an asst. coach? The PK under his watch was awful. I just don't see why this guy is still with the organization. I mean, I know why(misguided dedication), but move on from the guy already. He has had ZERO success as a coach and it sounds like the Phantoms are an absolute mess under his watch.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 25 @ 9:13 AM ET
We are having two different conversations. You asked how a guy with no head coaching experience gets a head coaching job in a lower level. I answered.



They hired a guy who was already very familiar with the players he would be coaching, and the systems the organization wants them to play.

- MBFlyerfan



Are you ok with them hiring him for that role?

Well what system do they play? You can hire others who will also run the same system as the main club.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 25 @ 9:14 AM ET
What has he done successfully as an asst. coach? The PK under his watch was awful. I just don't see why this guy is still with the organization. I mean, I know why(misguided dedication), but move on from the guy already. He has had ZERO success as a coach and it sounds like the Phantoms are an absolute mess under his watch.
- Phillywhiteout

Wasn't he demoted as an assistant at some point?

Flyers prospects have taken steps backwards. Even more of a reason to look elsewhere.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 25 @ 9:19 AM ET
Aube-Kubel fined $2,687.50 for incident in Flyers game, have we seen enough of this guy and is it time to sit him once Brown is able to enter the lineup?
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 25 @ 9:21 AM ET
Should have got Seth Jones!!!
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 25 @ 9:22 AM ET
Aube-Kubel fined $2,687.50 for incident in Flyers game, have we seen enough of this guy and is it time to sit him was Brown is able to enter the lineup?
- jd250

Marchand clips Girouxs leg and knees Provorov in the mid section, any fine or even a penalty?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 25 @ 9:24 AM ET
Why is Lappy still in this organization? Wow, he blocked a shot with his mouth in a playoff game 100 years ago, so he has a job for life. This is one thing about the Flyers organization that has always annoyed me! You paid the guy when he played now move on before he ruins these young players. The man can't coach!!!
- Phillywhiteout

If this is true, then I guess its logical to also state that AV can't coach, AV's assistants can't coach, and Fletcher is a horrible GM, since all of these people had a hand in deciding Lappy was their guy to coach the Phantoms. Let's give it 10-15 games before we drive off the cliff.
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