Kevin Allen: Flames receivestrong return for Tkachuk, but Panthers got what they wanted. Could Tkachuk be the missing link for the Panthers?

I think Calgary got fleeced. Initial reports were that the Panthers traded Jonathon Huberdeau. But I see here now that we must have traded his brother, Jordan Huberdeau. That changes everything.

Panthers will regret this deal. Just awful.

I think it was a great trade. Zito's back was up against the wall with the salary cap. He couldn't hope to resign both Huberdeau and Weeger. But he got an up-and-coming superstar who is only 24. The mistake Zito made was giving the first draft picks for both Giroux and Chariot. He got expensive short-term rentals. Also they should of never got rid of Frank the tank Vatrano

Great analysis of the trade Kevin.

I feel Zito did something we just aren't used too. He made a trade before his upcoming UFA's go public with the current rhetoric "I'm not staying, I'm signing somewhere else to get the most money I can". Zito didn't allow the upcoming UFA's to hold all the cards and destroy their trade values. He beat them to the punch!

Good job by Zito.

Even if it appears "player wise" that he lost in this trade, from a "Team Management" standpoint, he's the winner.

As for Treliving, Awesome deal for him. He needed a break after all he's been through recently, and I think we're all happy for him today.

Overall, a great hockey trade that made so much sense for both sides.

So it's obvious Tkachuk wanted to go to Florida, right?


For tax purposes and one of the remaining sane States in the country.


Based Tkachuk.

Two of Calgary's top-line forwards couldn't leave that team quick enough. Something is going on behind the scene or they would of wanted to stay.

Two of Calgary's top-line forwards couldn't leave that team quick enough. Something is going on behind the scene or they would of wanted to stay.
- madhatter56

JG leaving wasn’t about the team. It was personal. MT was always going to leave. He’s a moron. Flames are better off without him.

Real big loser is Vancouver in a Miller trade.
One other thing about Vancouver, they haven't signed Horvat either and he wasn't at the wedding party for Demko. There has been no Horvat conversation in Vancouver at all not even a whisper except both sides have been talking since February before the TDL.

Maybe there are two potential trades to be made.

Calgary was still strong without this trade they are a solid defensive club.
Edmonton might be stronger in goal and having Kulak and Kane all season long should insure their playoff spot
LA will have Doughty and Fiala plus their prospects taking another step and they were already ahead of the Canucks
Seattle got more scoring depth and can expect their goaltending to rebound, they might not surpass the Nux but they could take a few points away from them and be spoilers.
SanJose looks like Bedard candidates so they should be at the bottom
Arizona still has a massive amount of cap space, prospects and 31 picks over the next 3 drafts, who knows for sure but they should be below the Canucks.

For the Canucks to be playoff hopefuls they may be looking at a WC.

They could still get a major haul of players if they trade both Horvat and Miller with retention. Two top centers for under 3 mil for one year could not but help any team. NJD or Buffalo might come knocking and an outside chance that Dobson may be on the block if Rathbone is included.

But Calgary did a splendid job of gathering more immediate help and possible trade assets that will end up helping them more than a 10 million dollar winger.

They have the coach, the system and the stud goalie and were +85 in GF/GA last year

tkachuk helps them in the playoffs?

please... he's got a track record of going M.I.A. come playoff time

Two of Calgary's top-line forwards couldn't leave that team quick enough. Something is going on behind the scene or they would of wanted to stay.
- madhatter56

Sutter told sportsnet there were entitlement issues last summer.

But let's not forget there's no state income taxes in Florida, and my math tells me for Tkachuk to get the same take home pay in Calgary as he will in Florida, then Calgary would have had to pay him $11 million

Sutter told sportsnet there were entitlement issues last summer.

But let's not forget there's no state income taxes in Florida, and my math tells me for Tkachuk to get the same take home pay in Calgary as he will in Florida, then Calgary would have had to pay him $15.5 million (this is just a comparison so don't say I'm suggesting CGY should have offered him that)
- eastcanadAREaholes

You should go back to school and relearn math.

- TurdFergeson

i made a correction, it's actually $11m - and that's why that number was floating out there, and exactly the amount Calgary would have to pay to negate Florida's tax advantage.

Obviously Treliving thought this deal was the best out of the other offers, there had to have been multiple offers coming across his desk.

It would be nice to see the other offers and then judge this deal.

At least Calgary has assets to deal with.

Lot’s of teams need retooling, let’s see more multiplayer moves.

John Tonelli for HOF

tkachuk helps them in the playoffs?

please... he's got a track record of going M.I.A. come playoff time
- eastcanadAREaholes

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

Sounds like sour grapes to me.
- madhatter56

It's true though. Tkachuk has not been good in the playoffs.

It's true though. Tkachuk has not been good in the playoffs.
- tincup

Neither was Huberdeau. Maybe the change will do them both good.

This trade doesn't ease the pain of nothing for Gaudreau lol, they literally got NOTHING for Gaudreau. What they got for Tkachuk will mostly only be for a year. Given that the best predictor of future performance is past, I'm not convinced Treliving will get ANYTHING for Huberdequ or Weegar either. They will be a good team again and suddenly Treliving is going to be willing to dump his best players ? He's in over his head and Flames ownership was foolish to allow him to do the Tkachuck deal. Hire someone more competent Calgary.

tkachuk helps them in the playoffs?

please... he's got a track record of going M.I.A. come playoff time
- eastcanadAREaholes

Agreed, he was low key brutal in the playoffs last year and years before. In fact, I'd argue that last year he wasn't just invisible, he was a detriment to the Flames vs Dallas. All that "gritty" after the whistle BS played into the Stars hands as Calgary couldn't get their 5 on 5 game going with all the penalties. Against the Oilers, it looked like he just couldn't keep up, maybe he was dealing with an injury.

He's a great player and put up some elite numbers last year but I think people might have an overly romanticized view of him because of his reputation as a pest with skill. It's not like he's a Marchand who can do all of that but can also noticeably take over games at certain points. We'll see how it all shakes out with the Panthers, maybe it's a great fit.

Agreed, he was low key brutal in the playoffs last year and years before. In fact, I'd argue that last year he wasn't just invisible, he was a detriment to the Flames vs Dallas. All that "gritty" after the whistle BS played into the Stars hands as Calgary couldn't get their 5 on 5 game going with all the penalties. Against the Oilers, it looked like he just couldn't keep up, maybe he was dealing with an injury.

He's a great player and put up some elite numbers last year but I think people might have an overly romanticized view of him because of his reputation as a pest with skill. It's not like he's a Marchand who can do all of that but can also noticeably take over games at certain points. We'll see how it all shakes out with the Panthers, maybe it's a great fit.
- 13sundin13

He had an injured hand this past playoffs.

This trade doesn't ease the pain of nothing for Gaudreau lol, they literally got NOTHING for Gaudreau. What they got for Tkachuk will mostly only be for a year. Given that the best predictor of future performance is past, I'm not convinced Treliving will get ANYTHING for Huberdequ or Weegar either. They will be a good team again and suddenly Treliving is going to be willing to dump his best players ? He's in over his head and Flames ownership was foolish to allow him to do the Tkachuck deal. Hire someone more competent Calgary.
- DanielEtvs

I disagree, Huberdeau is a superstar with a fantastic cap hit for 1 more year. CGY can easily get a 1st round pick + for him probably especially if they retain a couple mil to really sweeten the deal. They can likely get a 1st for Weegar as well.

Neither was Huberdeau. Maybe the change will do them both good.
- madhatter56

Huberdeau has 21 points in 26 playoff games...mostly against Tampa

Tkachuk has sucked against Winnepeg, Dallas, Edmonton

This trade doesn't ease the pain of nothing for Gaudreau lol, they literally got NOTHING for Gaudreau. What they got for Tkachuk will mostly only be for a year. Given that the best predictor of future performance is past, I'm not convinced Treliving will get ANYTHING for Huberdequ or Weegar either. They will be a good team again and suddenly Treliving is going to be willing to dump his best players ? He's in over his head and Flames ownership was foolish to allow him to do the Tkachuck deal. Hire someone more competent Calgary.
- DanielEtvs

What a terrible take...he lost players due to geography

and when given a trade demand with only a few teams to work with he hits a home run

So it's obvious Tkachuk wanted to go to Florida, right?


For tax purposes and one of the remaining sane States in the country.


Based Tkachuk.
- Komisaurus Rex

lol

This trade doesn't ease the pain of nothing for Gaudreau lol, they literally got NOTHING for Gaudreau. What they got for Tkachuk will mostly only be for a year. Given that the best predictor of future performance is past, I'm not convinced Treliving will get ANYTHING for Huberdequ or Weegar either. They will be a good team again and suddenly Treliving is going to be willing to dump his best players ? He's in over his head and Flames ownership was foolish to allow him to do the Tkachuck deal. Hire someone more competent Calgary.
- DanielEtvs

You're absolutely correct - to a fault. I completely acknowledge we got nothing for Gaudreau - but, Mangiapane's going to get more ice time and he could develop into an elite player, or at least do a Duclair, which would have been more difficult if he was playing under JG and MT's shadows. Sutter will make him take #1RW from Toffoli.

And as a Flames fan, to think about Mangiapane's intensity, paired with Lindholm's complete game and intensity, throw in Huberdeau's skill - I can't wait to see them play together. Seeing Mange with Lindholm was impossible up until now, it'll be awesome.

The same can be said for Pelletier this year, and Coronado the next - both could emerge as elite talents, not having to worry about JG and MT's grip on the 1st line.