Bill Meltzer: Flyers-MTL Wrap; Phantoms Update

Flyers had a 10 game win streak and a 10 game loss streak in one season! Not long ago. I am hard pressed to see this team going on a 10 game winning streak.

Bill Meltzer: Flyers-MTL Wrap; Phantoms Update
- bmeltzer

CC vs CY/BB - who won?

Bill Meltzer: Flyers-MTL Wrap; Phantoms Update
- bmeltzer

Who is “Owen Hart”?

Who is “Owen Hart”?
- corduroy

The late younger brother of Bret Hart. Also known as the Blue Blazer.

Typo fixed.

Hahahhahaha 77 inches of snow in south Buffalo where bills play. They’re calling for another couple feet tomorrow and these dumb (frank)s complaining nfl moved game to detroit. Roofs collapsing a few people died shoveling snow from heart attacks. And flyers lose shootout. None of these things are a shocker at all

Martin Jones with another victory.

Having ZM Brown and Tony D out at the end of the game I hope are decisions the coach continues to make every time they have a lead late. Need the losses to pile up. ZM in OT. Another wise choice.

Frost needs to start producing real points. If they keep that line together he does nothing then you know it is time to cut bait.

Martin Jones with another victory.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Kind of shows you that it was the team last year and that it wasn’t him that stank. And I mean he’s not playing for Tampa or colorado. It’s the kraken but even the expansion franchise is superior to this mess. I’m wondering how many more 10 game losing streaks are needed before changes are made? I’d love to have a different gm make the lottery pick this year but you know. That injury excuse is popular.

5th game in a row Hart under .90 save percentage.

5th game in a row Hart under .90 save percentage.
- furio16

I we should have traded him early in the season. I’m actually going to start advocating for that so that he can play for a real franchise.

If he’s not rolling along at 940 sp then this team has zero shot at winning.

5th game in a row Hart under .90 save percentage.
-furio16

And??? Are you trying to imply Hart is not playing as well as he had earlier in the season??

I we should have traded him early in the season. I’m actually going to start advocating for that so that he can play for a real franchise.

If he’s not rolling along at 940 sp then this team has zero shot at winning.
- Hextall271

But its not about winning this year, why can't some of you get that through your heads? I'll say it again, winning is the last thing this team needs this year. If you are fan and want to see this franchise rise into a real contender, you cannot possible want the Flyers to win this year!

Hart is playing his arse off, and is playing extremely well, in fact I would say better now that he was earlier in the season. The team in front of Hart is starting to lose structure and break down, thus allowing way more high danger scoring chances, and no matter who is in the net, if you give NHL forwards enough high danger chances, they are going to score. The problem is not Hart on this team, not by a long shot, and only a short-sighted dimwit that cares about winning now would want to trade your franchise goalie, and that is what Carter Hart is - a true franchise goalie!

Having ZM Brown and Tony D out at the end of the game I hope are decisions the coach continues to make every time they have a lead late. Need the losses to pile up. ZM in OT. Another wise choice.

Frost needs to start producing real points. If they keep that like together he does nothing then you know it is time to cut bait.
- furio16

Exactly! I don't want to hear about defensive plays from Hart. If he wants to center a top line in the NHL and play 20 minutes a game, he needs to stop being a passenger, actually finish a few scoring chances, and for the love of God win a faceoff once in a while! I am glad he is playing on this line and I hope Torts keeps this line together for the foreseeable future, so that once and for all, you all can see Frost doesn't have it!

Martin Jones with another victory.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Insert eye-roll emoji here ...

I we should have traded him early in the season. I’m actually going to start advocating for that so that he can play for a real franchise.

If he’s not rolling along at 940 sp then this team has zero shot at winning.
- Hextall271

You seem agitated. Well the Leafs and Oilers would def be interested is your belief.

But its not about winning this year, why can't some of you get that through your heads? I'll say it again, winning is the last thing this team needs this year. If you are fan and want to see this franchise rise into a real contender, you cannot possible want the Flyers to win this year!

Hart is playing his arse off, and is playing extremely well, in fact I would say better now that he was earlier in the season. The team in front of Hart is starting to lose structure and break down, thus allowing way more high danger scoring chances, and no matter who is in the net, if you give NHL forwards enough high danger chances, they are going to score. The problem is not Hart on this team, not by a long shot, and only a short-sighted dimwit that cares about winning now would want to trade your franchise goalie, and that is what Carter Hart is - a true franchise goalie!
- jd250

Simple question for you. Do you think the head coach is trying to win every game they play?

Carter Hart has been too inconsistent to tag him a franchise goalie at this time. Then again you know the good when you see it.

York over Caufield will be another clown show move in a litany of them.
A franchise that can't get out of their own way.

But its not about winning this year, why can't some of you get that through your heads? I'll say it again, winning is the last thing this team needs this year. If you are fan and want to see this franchise rise into a real contender, you cannot possible want the Flyers to win this year!

Hart is playing his arse off, and is playing extremely well, in fact I would say better now that he was earlier in the season. The team in front of Hart is starting to lose structure and break down, thus allowing way more high danger scoring chances, and no matter who is in the net, if you give NHL forwards enough high danger chances, they are going to score. The problem is not Hart on this team, not by a long shot, and only a short-sighted dimwit that cares about winning now would want to trade your franchise goalie, and that is what Carter Hart is - a true franchise goalie!
- jd250

They're giving up fewer chances now than in October. Listen to the way Torts talks about all the "good minutes" the team is playing now. He often cites the improvement in scoring chance prevention for November. Their team game is still far from perfect, but it's gotten better. Still prone to break downs, but the sheer volume of high danger crap slung Hart's way has been reduced dramatically.

Hart is also not playing as well as he was in October. Torts was asked if Hart's decline is mostly due to bounces and luck and Torts said -- point blank -- that Hart also hasn't been at the level he was early on.

Just take some of the goals last night for instance. Point shots like Xhekaj's on that first goal weren't bouncing off Hart for stray rebounds in October. Pucks were sticking to him and he was pouncing on rebounds right away before. Now you see more garbage being left in front.

I don't think either of the Caufield goals would have beaten Hart in October either. The first punched thru between his arm and body and the GTG he just looked fatigued going post to post.

I don't think Hart is playing badly, btw. He's just not the brick wall he was in Oct.

Could anyone explain to me what the Flyers' OT strategy was. I guess if the majority of your players can't skate you go to the 4 quarters offense....

Having ZM Brown and Tony D out at the end of the game I hope are decisions the coach continues to make every time they have a lead late. Need the losses to pile up. ZM in OT. Another wise choice.

Frost needs to start producing real points. If they keep that line together he does nothing then you know it is time to cut bait.
- furio16

At least he was very noticeable and that is a first step. Of course if you were only listening you would have never known as JJ and KJ refuse to acknowledge him. How bad is KJ? I'm actually wishing for Bill Clement......

They're giving up fewer chances now than in October. Listen to the way Torts talks about all the "good minutes" the team is playing now. He often cites the improvement in scoring chance prevention for November. Their team game is still far from perfect, but it's gotten better. Still prone to break downs, but the sheer volume of high danger crap slung Hart's way has been reduced dramatically.

Hart is also not playing as well as he was in October. Torts was asked if Hart's decline is mostly due to bounces and luck and Torts said -- point blank -- that Hart also hasn't been at the level he was early on.

Just take some of the goals last night for instance. Point shots like Xhekaj's on that first goal weren't bouncing off Hart for stray rebounds in October. Pucks were sticking to him and he was pouncing on rebounds right away before. Now you see more garbage being left in front.

I don't think either of the Caufield goals would have beaten Hart in October either. The first punched thru between his arm and body and the GTG he just looked fatigued going post to post.

I don't think Hart is playing badly, btw. He's just not the brick wall he was in Oct.
- Tomahawk

Same thing happens every year. Through October, teams get better. Their team play improves. Players get to a higher level with their timing and shooting. That's what is happening. Flyers rode hot goaltending and a few players playing well offensively.

At least he was very noticeable and that is a first step. Of course if you were only listening you would have never known as JJ and KJ refuse to acknowledge him. How bad is KJ? I'm actually wishing for Bill Clement......
- mr4tno

It is a first step, one of many he has had. The key is this team is very bad and I am not so sure the coach wants to admit it yet. Keep that line together and live with the growing pains. Do you see the coach doing that?

They're giving up fewer chances now than in October. Listen to the way Torts talks about all the "good minutes" the team is playing now. He often cites the improvement in scoring chance prevention for November. Their team game is still far from perfect, but it's gotten better. Still prone to break downs, but the sheer volume of high danger crap slung Hart's way has been reduced dramatically.

Hart is also not playing as well as he was in October. Torts was asked if Hart's decline is mostly due to bounces and luck and Torts said -- point blank -- that Hart also hasn't been at the level he was early on.

Just take some of the goals last night for instance. Point shots like Xhekaj's on that first goal weren't bouncing off Hart for stray rebounds in October. Pucks were sticking to him and he was pouncing on rebounds right away before. Now you see more garbage being left in front.

I don't think either of the Caufield goals would have beaten Hart in October either. The first punched thru between his arm and body and the GTG he just looked fatigued going post to post.

I don't think Hart is playing badly, btw. He's just not the brick wall he was in Oct.
- Tomahawk

He’s not playing good. The flyers have actually been in games recently, not just getting caved in and having the great goaltending.

York over Caufield will be another clown show move in a litany of them.
A franchise that can't get out of their own way.
- PLindbergh31

I do not think York is a bad player, actually I think he can be very good. However, as the Flyers do with all their young, they are not given time to make mistakes and grow into their true "player selves" (exhibit A = Frost). Now, if you want to talk about Caufield vs. York, you know the Flyers were never going to take a 5' 8" player with the 14h pick of any draft. Small players can't play Flyers hockey, which by the way, has not won anything is about 5 decades.