Jacob Billington: Jets Stay Quiet at NHL Trade Deadline, add Neiderreiter and Namestnikov

Jacob, good write up.

The Jets get a D minus as per Jets Nation. He is very generous with the D- as I rank it as a F.

NN is a good deal but the Nestikov is embarrassing essentially paying a 4th for Nestikimnovinov.

Its hard to watch a team go from near 1st to worst.

Wpg currently at #14 in the NHL standing and in freefall (and falling like a fat man w/o a parachute).... but lets say they continue on this current path and wind up picking 11 to 17 ish....

We have to start looking to the future as who is the best 1st round pick as there is really not much else to watch right now, so who do they pick? (As I can't bear to watch anymore games, especially when there is a new episode of Ancients Aliens competing for the same timeslot)

I copied and pasted the current 2023 rankings as per sports net:

11. David Reinbacher, D, Kloten (Switzerland): Possesses all the tools to project as a top three defenceman at the next level.

12. Dalibor Dvorsky, C, AIK (Allsvenskan): As projections of an elite producer have cooled, his overall 200-foot game has improved enough to have him still sitting comfortably in the top half of this draft class.

13. Samuel Honzek, LW, Vancouver Giants (WHL): May be the sleeper who upsets the top 10 by the time we get to June.

14. Nate Danielson, C, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL): Supremely responsible player who thrives on match-ups on the defensive side, but not at the expense of skill on the other side.

15. Axel Sandin-Pellikka, D, Skelleftea AK (Sweden Jr.): A fluid skater who processes the game well and can adjust on the fly. Will see some PP time at the next level.

16. Oliver Moore, C, USNTDP: His blazing speed makes him a threat off the rush and his ability to handle the puck at high speed also makes him a one-on-one threat.

17. Gabriel Perreault, RW, USNTDP: Similar to Benson in size, smarts and the ability to drive play all over the ice.

So, might as well start to assess the draft rankings for entertainment.

I can hear the TSN pundits now, whoever Chevy picks, "Chevy did a great job with this years draft" (For the sake of example) "David Reinbacher, D," is a great pick and Chevy and their scouts did just a wonderful job picking him"

And reality is, he was ranked #11 and its was Wpg turn to pick, so he picked him. WTF is so great about that? Draft whisperer my a$$

But, where in lies the best pick around 11 to 17, taking into account the freefall lands them somewhere in 11 to 17?

Cheers!

Jacob, good write up.

The Jets get a D minus as per Jets Nation. He is very generous with the D- as I rank it as a F.

NN is a good deal but the Nestikov is embarrassing essentially paying a 4th for Nestikimnovinov.

Its hard to watch a team go from near 1st to worst.
- Old Flopper

#firechevy

Again Chevy and his boss Craig Heisinger who is Senior VP, Director of Hockey Operations and Asst GM (3 titles 😂) are both AHL proven executives.

Heisinger will NEVER be held to account, lifer, and Chevy I’m sure stays

If that’s the best we can do at the top then it will trickle down to mediocrity at best

Wpg currently at #14 in the NHL standing and in freefall (and falling like a fat man w/o a parachute).... but lets say they continue on this current path and wind up picking 11 to 17 ish....

We have to start looking to the future as who is the best 1st round pick as there is really not much else to watch right now, so who do they pick? (As I can't bear to watch anymore games, especially when there is a new episode of Ancients Aliens competing for the same timeslot)

I copied and pasted the current 2023 rankings as per sports net:

11. David Reinbacher, D, Kloten (Switzerland): Possesses all the tools to project as a top three defenceman at the next level.

12. Dalibor Dvorsky, C, AIK (Allsvenskan): As projections of an elite producer have cooled, his overall 200-foot game has improved enough to have him still sitting comfortably in the top half of this draft class.

13. Samuel Honzek, LW, Vancouver Giants (WHL): May be the sleeper who upsets the top 10 by the time we get to June.

14. Nate Danielson, C, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL): Supremely responsible player who thrives on match-ups on the defensive side, but not at the expense of skill on the other side.

15. Axel Sandin-Pellikka, D, Skelleftea AK (Sweden Jr.): A fluid skater who processes the game well and can adjust on the fly. Will see some PP time at the next level.

16. Oliver Moore, C, USNTDP: His blazing speed makes him a threat off the rush and his ability to handle the puck at high speed also makes him a one-on-one threat.

17. Gabriel Perreault, RW, USNTDP: Similar to Benson in size, smarts and the ability to drive play all over the ice.

So, might as well start to assess the draft rankings for entertainment.

I can hear the TSN pundits now, whoever Chevy picks, "Chevy did a great job with this years draft" (For the sake of example) "David Reinbacher, D," is a great pick and Chevy and their scouts did just a wonderful job picking him"

And reality is, he was ranked #11 and its was Wpg turn to pick, so he picked him. WTF is so great about that? Draft whisperer my a$$

But, where in lies the best pick around 11 to 17, taking into account the freefall lands them somewhere in 11 to 17?

Cheers!
- Old Flopper

Good post Flopper. I posted a reply to this right at end of the last thread so will also post it again for continuity.

My quick take would be the first D-man, 11. David Reinbacher, based on our needs down the road around the time he might start making the lineup in 2025 or 2026. By then out top D will still be Morrissey but most of our next five might all be gone on expiring contracts. So any of the next guys in line, Samberg, Stanley , Heinola , and maybe Elias Salomonsson might be in the top four. Jets will need more help on D.

As I said in earlier posts . Only one team wins the Cup and there will likely be a lot of fans in various contenders cities who will be taking the double hit of not winning the Cup but also watching the draft with a lot less picks to make , or are faced with a decline of prospects in the cupboard.

Chevy still gets a D-minus though for this T-deadline.

Again Chevy and his boss Craig Heisinger who is Senior VP, Director of Hockey Operations and Asst GM (3 titles 😂) are both AHL proven executives.

Heisinger will NEVER be held to account, lifer, and Chevy I’m sure stays

If that’s the best we can do at the top then it will trickle down to mediocrity at best
- jjonah

Makes total sense now, look at the keen eye they have for AHL talent like Kuhlman, Barron, Menalainen and Fjallby.

🤣

In the fall of 2018 the Jets had a drafted core of Scheifele, Hellebuyck, Trouba Morrissey, Laine, Ehlers, Copp, Lowry, and Roslovic who were all 25 and under and management completely bungled the next 5 years. So I don't see any reason that the future will be any brighter.

Was at the game! Namestnikov looked great. Too bad he was the only pick-up by Chipman.

#firechevy

Was at the game! Namestnikov looked great. Too bad he was the only pick-up by Chipman.

#firechevy
- TheUltimateJet

I liked NN's game tonight.

I liked Capobiaco's game even more. An apple , four shots , and plus two.... and the kid can really skate. I have no idea why he is not in this lineup waaay more than he has been. Now waivers are not as much of an issue I believe we will see more of him. Rotate Pionk and Schmidt in and out of the lineup , especially out against the faster teams. Rest them up for the playoffs.

The other guy I've noticed is Gustaffson. The kid can really grind and protects the puck well. He can also make some very good plays. I hope he stays healthy . He was pretty good before his injury as well.

A refreshing win to say the least.

Was at the game! Namestnikov looked great. Too bad he was the only pick-up by Chipman.

#firechevy
- TheUltimateJet

Yes he did and NN is a keeper. 1st period assist and screened Campbell on the 2nd goal, I think. NN also seems to be smart enough to be get to the right spot, like Morrisey pinched in the 1st and he slipped into Morriseys D pos'n like he supposed to do. Plus he looks abrasive to play against.

I will raise my F rating to D-.

Nino and Namestnikov are exactly the kinds of players we could use. A top shooter with the size to l play puck hound for PLD and KC, and a solid shutdown bottom 6er who can play all 3 positions.

The problem is we still need another top forward to contend, and unless Perfetti comes back on fire (he’s been good all year btw, just not top line level), we aren’t getting it.

We also desperately needed to move out Pionk and promote Heinola. #4 is the only crack on that entire blueline. Price tag aside, Schmidt has been excellent with Samberg, and Samberg has been almost as good as DeMelo defensively.

thanks for the prospect post Flopper;

probably to early for this but lets look at next year;

I think we all know PLD is gone, and gone to Montreal, a realistic trade would be Florida's first rounder, Beck and for cap purposes the Habs will make us take Dvorak.

I think the Jets will try very hard to extend Shief and Helle, probably over paying both but they will try to keep both. if they cant, they have to be moved!!!

Wheeler, I'm sorry, thank you for all the great years, but the time has come, if he can not be traded he needs to be bought out. no question.

what to do with our D??? I dont think Scmidt can be traded, not good enough and to much money, I think Dillon is worth keeping as he would be worth 2-3 times more at next years deadline than this summer. so that leaves Pionk, I honestly believe he has perceived value around the league because he is right shot, puts up some points and shoots right, so Pionk can and should be traded this summer.

time to trade Stanley, id give to the first team who offers a 2nd but id also take a 3rd. I'm not trading Heinola because hes the best D in the AHL and younger than stan.

Apples is useless and over paid, id trade him as well if we could

Kulman, Saku, Stenlund can all go.

what id like the team to add is some nastiness with talent ( Konecny ) type up front

line up

Connor-Shief- Lambert
Ehlers - Perfetti - Nino
Barron-Dvorak-Apples
Gus-Lowry-Harkins

morrisey-Demelo
Dillon-Heinola
Samberg-Scmidt

i think Pionk could bring back a serviceable Forward!!

thanks for the prospect post Flopper;

probably to early for this but lets look at next year;

I think we all know PLD is gone, and gone to Montreal, a realistic trade would be Florida's first rounder, Beck and for cap purposes the Habs will make us take Dvorak.

I think the Jets will try very hard to extend Shief and Helle, probably over paying both but they will try to keep both. if they cant, they have to be moved!!!

Wheeler, I'm sorry, thank you for all the great years, but the time has come, if he can not be traded he needs to be bought out. no question.

what to do with our D??? I dont think Scmidt can be traded, not good enough and to much money, I think Dillon is worth keeping as he would be worth 2-3 times more at next years deadline than this summer. so that leaves Pionk, I honestly believe he has perceived value around the league because he is right shot, puts up some points and shoots right, so Pionk can and should be traded this summer.

time to trade Stanley, id give to the first team who offers a 2nd but id also take a 3rd. I'm not trading Heinola because hes the best D in the AHL and younger than stan.

Apples is useless and over paid, id trade him as well if we could

Kulman, Saku, Stenlund can all go.

what id like the team to add is some nastiness with talent ( Konecny ) type up front

line up

Connor-Shief- Lambert
Ehlers - Perfetti - Nino
Barron-Dvorak-Apples
Gus-Lowry-Harkins

morrisey-Demelo
Dillon-Heinola
Samberg-Scmidt

i think Pionk could bring back a serviceable Forward!!
- Ross77

Good Synopsis Ross. Not everyone will agree on all of it but the direction on most is pretty accurate.

I like Stenlund. He's big, fast , and strong, and has a great shot. Barron is a similar type player. Keep them both and dump Apples somewhere. You also forgot about Capobianco. I like his play, speed, and shot. It's a faster league so these guys above with these type of attributes are valuable. Slow is just not in the equation anymore. Small D-men seem to be a problem as well. It also might be a year too early on Lambert. Next year he is likely moved up and down btw the big club and the Moose. We might need a RW next year . How about Dubois for RW -Cole Caufeild straight up ?

thanks for the prospect post Flopper;

probably to early for this but lets look at next year;

I think we all know PLD is gone, and gone to Montreal, a realistic trade would be Florida's first rounder, Beck and for cap purposes the Habs will make us take Dvorak.

I think the Jets will try very hard to extend Shief and Helle, probably over paying both but they will try to keep both. if they cant, they have to be moved!!!

Wheeler, I'm sorry, thank you for all the great years, but the time has come, if he can not be traded he needs to be bought out. no question.

what to do with our D??? I dont think Scmidt can be traded, not good enough and to much money, I think Dillon is worth keeping as he would be worth 2-3 times more at next years deadline than this summer. so that leaves Pionk, I honestly believe he has perceived value around the league because he is right shot, puts up some points and shoots right, so Pionk can and should be traded this summer.

time to trade Stanley, id give to the first team who offers a 2nd but id also take a 3rd. I'm not trading Heinola because hes the best D in the AHL and younger than stan.

Apples is useless and over paid, id trade him as well if we could

Kulman, Saku, Stenlund can all go.

what id like the team to add is some nastiness with talent ( Konecny ) type up front

line up

Connor-Shief- Lambert
Ehlers - Perfetti - Nino
Barron-Dvorak-Apples
Gus-Lowry-Harkins

morrisey-Demelo
Dillon-Heinola
Samberg-Scmidt

i think Pionk could bring back a serviceable Forward!!
- Ross77

I agree with everything you state here with just a few exceptions:

- NN? I guess he is too fresh to remember include? A small sample but he looks like a pr!ck to play against and is hockey smart and can score.
- I do like Stenlund as a cheap 4th liner. At least he can take f/0 successfully and can put up some points
- Not sure if Lambert or Luscious will be ready for prime time, but need to be worked in for experience. The talent is there, they just need some beef and a year or two of physical growth
- Apples seems to be unable to generate much, gets hurt in weird situations, aurevoir

For here on in, (this season) Ehlers needs more ice time. He is struggling and I think he has been told to go north south only, get up fast when he falls down and be first in, but needs more than 12 mins TOI. Got to get him more TOI to get him going or just wasting the talent.

EDIT: My bad, I see you have NN in there.... not sure how I missed that... duh

Good Synopsis Ross. Not everyone will agree on all of it but the direction on most is pretty accurate.

I like Stenlund. He's big, fast , and strong, and has a great shot. Barron is a similar type player. Keep them both and dump Apples somewhere. You also forgot about Capobianco. I like his play, speed, and shot. It's a faster league so these guys above with these type of attributes are valuable. Slow is just not in the equation anymore. Small D-men seem to be a problem as well. It also might be a year too early on Lambert. Next year he is likely moved up and down btw the big club and the Moose. We might need a RW next year . How about Dubois for RW -Cole Caufeild straight up ?
- jetsnation

montreal wont trade us Caufield for PLD, it will be a deal of picks prospects and a cap dump. pld is the better player, so im not saying its not fair, just that they wont do it.

montreal wont trade us Caufield for PLD, it will be a deal of picks prospects and a cap dump. pld is the better player, so im not saying its not fair, just that they wont do it.
- Ross77

Probably not, but he is from Wisconsin so Montreal would never have been high on his radar. I'm sure he would love to play for the Hawks or Wild, but Jets might be in that equation.

Dubois of course would love to play for the Habs who he grew up watching on local networks.

The problem here is Caufield has quickly become a fan favorite in Mtl and had a great season up until his season-ending injury. Both are upcoming RFA's next year while Caufield could come cheaper it might be a bit hard for the Habs to retain both under new contracts ( Gurianov as well ) without shedding salary somewhere else like the currently injured in RW Brendan Gallagher.

Possibly a healthy RW Gallagher ( From Alberta) might be part of that trade. Jets need a RW. He's 30 though w 4 more yrs at $6.5 M

Probably not, but he is from Wisconsin so Montreal would never have been high on his radar. I'm sure he would love to play for the Hawks or Wild, but Jets might be in that equation.

Dubois of course would love to play for the Habs who he grew up watching on local networks.

The problem here is Caufield has quickly become a fan favorite in Mtl and had a great season up until his season-ending injury. Both are upcoming RFA's next year while Caufield could come cheaper it might be a bit hard for the Habs to retain both under new contracts ( Gurianov as well ) without shedding salary somewhere else like the currently injured in RW Brendan Gallagher.

Possibly a healthy RW Gallagher ( From Alberta) might be part of that trade. Jets need a RW. He's 30 though w 4 more yrs at $6.5 M
- jetsnation

i think the Habs would love to trade Gallagher. its why i dont think Montreal waits to see if they can get him as a ufa, getting us to take one of Gallagher or Dvorak is huge for them. i also wonder if Ottawa is a place PLD would sign long term? its only 2 hours from Montreal and Ottawa is on the cusp and much further along than Montreal. Norris ( injury prone ) for PLD makes sense for Ottawa.

Heard today that Saturdays game against the Oilers was the 6th sellout of the year for the Jets.

Does anyone know how much cap space the Jets had left on trade deadline day?
I'm pretty sure I heard Weibe interviewed a couple or so days prior and after the Nino trade and he said the Jets would have $5.5M of cap space to work with so if he's correct in those calculations after the Namestnikov trade they still had $4.25M of cap space to work with, probably could've grabbed another guy if that math is correct.

I think JVR would be more effective then Wheeler at this point, if they had the space they should've grabbed him too, didn't have trade protection and could probably got him for a 4th like Namestnikov.

i think the Habs would love to trade Gallagher. its why i dont think Montreal waits to see if they can get him as a ufa, getting us to take one of Gallagher or Dvorak is huge for them. i also wonder if Ottawa is a place PLD would sign long term? its only 2 hours from Montreal and Ottawa is on the cusp and much further along than Montreal. Norris ( injury prone ) for PLD makes sense for Ottawa.
- Ross77

Dvorak is a decent player and useful, wouldn't touch that Gallagher contract unless the Habs added two 1sts to take him, he is cooked!

Dvorak is a decent player and useful, wouldn't touch that Gallagher contract unless the Habs added two 1sts to take him, he is cooked!
- JetFuel

to be honest, i dont want either!! Dvorak isnt any better than Lowry or Gus and Gallagher is so hurt all the time, he is a massive question mark moving forward.

we have to hope there is a bit of a bidding war, because PLD only needs to be qualified around 6 mil, its possible teams like NYR, LA, TB, Fla, TOR see him as a year long rental and might want to work something out? maybe Anaheim sees him as a key piece of their rebuild and thinks they can convince him to stay, who wouldn't get used to living on the beach? or like i said Ottawa could be possible.

Montreal still has to make a good offer, we will have some options.

Sorry Jets fans but this mythical pot of gold that you can get in a PLD trade doesn't exist.

In fact if you are trying to get Hellebuyck and Scheifele to sign extensions that probably involves convincing them that you are serious about winning and trading PLD for a futures package probably isn't a great idea.
One more year of PLD is better than the promise that in 2 to 3 years a 2023 first round pick will be NHL ready in the minds of Scheifele and Hellebuyck.

Don't know where Monteal is going to get all this magical cap space to sign PLD long term. Looking at cap friendly they have no cap space right now and that is with Gallagher on LTIR. Essentially his contract will cancel out Droun's who's going to be a UFA. Unless PLD wants to sign for significantly less money, he is not going to Montreal.

By that time PLD is a free agent, Slafkovsy and Caufield will be also be looking for major paydays.

Sorry Jets fans but this mythical pot of gold that you can get in a PLD trade doesn't exist.

In fact if you are trying to get Hellebuyck and Scheifele to sign extensions that probably involves convincing them that you are serious about winning and trading PLD for a futures package probably isn't a great idea.
One more year of PLD is better than the promise that in 2 to 3 years a 2023 first round pick will be NHL ready in the minds of Scheifele and Hellebuyck.
- BWJumper

Such a good point. I look at the return that the Sabres got for Eichel. Peyton Krebs, Alex Tuch, conditional 2nd and a conditional 1st. Like the Ryan O'Reilly deal as well, it took Sabres fans almost 5 years to see any fruits from that one.

In 5 years, Scheifele, Hellebyuck, Connor, Ehlers, Morrissey will all be old men. Most probably will not even be here. The only guy I still see being here is Adam Lowry and he will still be playing 3rd line center....

#firechevy

Such a good point. I look at the return that the Sabres got for Eichel. Peyton Krebs, Alex Tuch, conditional 2nd and a conditional 1st. Like the Ryan O'Reilly deal as well, it took Sabres fans almost 5 years to see any fruits from that one.

In 5 years, Scheifele, Hellebyuck, Connor, Ehlers, Morrissey will all be old men. Most probably will not even be here. The only guy I still see being here is Adam Lowry and he will still be playing 3rd line center....

#firechevy
- TheUltimateJet

I wouldn't even use the Eichel and O'Reilly trades as comparable to the PLD, they both had term.

A better one is Horvat who signed an extension when he was traded. That would probably be best case scenario, more likely the Jets would get what they got in the Trouba trade or Ottawa the Stone trade.