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Jeremy Laura
Detroit Red Wings
Location: MI
Joined: 01.26.2016

Jul 29 @ 1:43 PM ET
Jeremy Laura: Wings collegiate players may not benefit greatly from NCAA payouts
Jeremy Laura
Detroit Red Wings
Location: MI
Joined: 01.26.2016

Jul 29 @ 2:51 PM ET
Quick note - Necas got 2 yrs @ 6.5ea. For a player that was “not wanted” then wanted again after office changes. Raymond is going to get paid. Pre season some had that as a 5 year deal for Raymond.

Brock Faber gets 8 x 68. I have to think that pushes Seider to $70 on full term
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Jul 29 @ 3:20 PM ET
Yeah, I can't imagine Seider agreeing to anything long term for less than Faber received.
Jeremy Laura
Detroit Red Wings
Location: MI
Joined: 01.26.2016

Jul 29 @ 3:45 PM ET
Yeah, I can't imagine Seider agreeing to anything long term for less than Faber received.
- jfkst1


I think we now have established “non flat cap” comps for Raymond and Seider based on what agents did for Faber, Konecny and now Necas. Unless they pull back for “team building” it feels pretty clear that Raymond won’t have trouble getting toward 7aav even on a non full term deal and Seider eclipsing near 9AAV on a max term.
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Jul 29 @ 4:20 PM ET
I think we now have established “non flat cap” comps for Raymond and Seider based on what agents did for Faber, Konecny and now Necas. Unless they pull back for “team building” it feels pretty clear that Raymond won’t have trouble getting toward 7aav even on a non full term deal and Seider eclipsing near 9AAV on a max term.
- Jeremy Laura


I could see Raymond being a less established comparison to Necas and Konecny even if I expect a higher upside. Seider undeniably is more proven than Faber. $70m/8 yrs. is the minimum AAV I can see him accepting long term.
HenryHockey
Season Ticket Holder
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Gwinn, MI
Joined: 01.26.2020

Jul 29 @ 4:35 PM ET
Wild Sign Brock Faber To Eight-Year Extension
$8.5M x 8
Here is Sieder's comparable!!!


2025-26: $10MM
2026-27: $9.5MM
2027-28: $8.5MM
2028-29: $8.5MM
2029-30: $8.5MM
2030-31: $8.5MM
2031-32: $7.5MM
2032-33: $7MM
Jeremy Laura
Detroit Red Wings
Location: MI
Joined: 01.26.2016

Jul 29 @ 5:54 PM ET
Wild Sign Brock Faber To Eight-Year Extension
$8.5M x 8
Here is Sieder's comparable!!!


2025-26: $10MM
2026-27: $9.5MM
2027-28: $8.5MM
2028-29: $8.5MM
2029-30: $8.5MM
2030-31: $8.5MM
2031-32: $7.5MM
2032-33: $7MM

- HenryHockey


Yep, see comments above
Jeremy Laura
Detroit Red Wings
Location: MI
Joined: 01.26.2016

Jul 29 @ 6:06 PM ET
I could see Raymond being a less established comparison to Necas and Konecny even if I expect a higher upside. Seider undeniably is more proven than Faber. $70m/8 yrs. is the minimum AAV I can see him accepting long term.
- jfkst1


My only thinking on Raymond is that he hit 30 in year 3. Konecny didn’t cross that line until 25. Necas has never hit it. He hit 28 goals in 82 games, and the team wanted to move him for whatever reason. It sounds like a similar issue with Konecny. Raymond’s goal scoring is ahead of Necas who hit 16 in his first 60+ season, then two seasons of 14. It is easy to see Yzerman saying, “you’ve played 3 seasons” but his early on numbers are pretty good. Either you grab a 3 or 4 year deal now or try to lock him in until he’s around 29.

The deals that have hit this past week feel for sure like they’ve at least lent to what is likely being spoken about at those meetings. Seider feels like the “must” as far as max term but Raymond shocked me with his performance starting at 19. In full candor, I don’t know what agents are saying other than reports of projected cap % and pulling the highest growth estimates from Bettman. I guess the argument becomes, what are the most valuable chunk of years (whether RFA or UFA) in terms of performance for most players? 24-30? 25-31? Starting to see how a new CBA could attempt to address it by pushing arbitration back to the end of the ELC. The kids coming in know that a good showing in the first 3 years with no arbitration can actually work in their favor if they’re willing to play hard ball.