John Jaeckel: Rumors, Thoughts And Flyers Preview

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I am speechless, you could not have covered it all any better. Insightful, balanced. Your trade synopsis hopefully will educate many of the Bickell for Getlaff guys.

Been thinking the same thing about Olsen. Worth a shot. He provides the size and a ton more quickness and agility relative to Scott and OD.

I am actually gonna do more work today than troll here picking a fight.

Should be a great game tonight.

I am speechless, you could not have covered it all any better. Insightful, balanced. Your trade synopsis hopefully will educate many of the Bickell for Getlaff guys.

Been thinking the same thing about Olsen. Worth a shot. He provides the size and a ton more quickness and agility relative to Scott and OD.

I am actually gonna do more work today than troll here picking a fight.

Should be a great game tonight.
- TrueGrit

Thanks, I do try.

The window to trade Sharp is this year, but I don't see him going anywhere. He's too important in the chemistry dynamic of this team. He's up there with Toews and Seabrook.

The guy you dangle: Dave Bolland. Yes, the cult hero can be traded IF the return is a marque player. Bolland, a high pick, a highly rated prospect....done. It's a helluva lot easier finding a 3rd line center then it is replacing 30-40 goals a year. Problem is I don't think Bolland's perceived value outside of Chicago is that high. If I'm a fan in Calgary, Anaheim, Columbus or Tampa...and I'm getting back Dave Bolland, I'm pissed.

Honestly, I highly DOUBT that they go after any top player. Instead, they'll add more grit guys as long as injuries stay away. Maybe a D man, but the longer Olsen gets a look, the more they may be reserved to sticking with what they have.

This game tonight is a big measuring stick IMO. Flyers are going to come out hitting, and attacking the Hawks D. Lets see how this team responds when Q can't dictate matchups. A 5-1 Flyers win, should send off alarms to even the most optimistic Hawks fans who think that physicality doesn't matter.

I'm hoping for a Hawks win, but more importantly, I'm hoping the Hawks escape without injury to any key guys...Especially Toews...Who will be targeted NON stop.

JJ,

I'd be stunned IF the Hawks traded Sharp in any deal because of his value to them on and off the ice; however, I would not be so surprised if Bolland was part of a deal. Now, before I get jumped on for this from other posters, I am well aware of his playoff history and I'm not advocating that he be traded, even though I think his play up to this point in the season has been a disappointment. I'm just saying that with the signings of McNeil and Daignault, the addition of Shaw for a look see, and hopefully a healthy Kruger added back to the lineup (and that's a big if should he have a bad concussion) it wouldn't surprise me if he was dealt. Not sure what he'd bring in return considering his inflated contract and injury history, but maybe another team looks at his past playoff history and wants him specifically for that purpose or he's just a part in a much bigger deal. The rumors about the Hawks thinking he milked his concussion and his recent radio comments about the Sedins (although some think the Hawks brass didn't force him to somewhat retract that statement which I think is naive), along with his mediocre play could have the Hawks ready to deal him. At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if he keeps his role with the team, but it also wouldn't surprise me if he is dealt, especially if his play doesn't pick up some in the next month.

The player is Corey Perry, write it down.. You heard it hear first

Good write up JJ. As TrueGrit said it's balanced and insightful. I higlighted the paragraph below because it goes along with something I read last night.

First, the fact that the Hawks are asking around about top tier players indicates that they are prepared to offer more than, say, a handful of Might Not Ever Bes from Rockford, Bryan Bickell and an Old Style beer sign. While Kane is going nowhere, I would think a “core” player (like a Dave Bolland or possibly even Patrick Sharp) could be in play for a major return.

Supposedly, Anaheim is willing to deal anyone except Selanne and Koivu. Bob Murray said that the team would seek other "core-type" players and would not want draft picks in return. So in getting someone like a Getzlaff or Bobby Ryan would indeed need someone of close to equal value going back in return. What you put up this morning supports that idea.

Honestly if it were Ryan or Nash asking for Kane at this point makes the most sense for those teams. CBJ might end up taking a package deal that will be more of a futures thing, but I doubt ANA is willing to do the same.

You know what pisses me off about the whole Carcillo thing is when teams do what you are suggesting the Hawks might do. When you get a Carcillo/Eager/Cooke don't be shocked when they do something stupid. That over the edge play is why you wanted him in the first place.

The window to trade Sharp is this year, but I don't see him going anywhere. He's too important in the chemistry dynamic of this team. He's up there with Toews and Seabrook.

The guy you dangle: Dave Bolland. Yes, the cult hero can be traded IF the return is a marque player. Bolland, a high pick, a highly rated prospect....done. It's a helluva lot easier finding a 3rd line center then it is replacing 30-40 goals a year. Problem is I don't think Bolland's perceived value outside of Chicago is that high. If I'm a fan in Calgary, Anaheim, Columbus or Tampa...and I'm getting back Dave Bolland, I'm pissed.

Honestly, I highly DOUBT that they go after any top player. Instead, they'll add more grit guys as long as injuries stay away. Maybe a D man, but the longer Olsen gets a look, the more they may be reserved to sticking with what they have.

This game tonight is a big measuring stick IMO. Flyers are going to come out hitting, and attacking the Hawks D. Lets see how this team responds when Q can't dictate matchups. A 5-1 Flyers win, should send off alarms to even the most optimistic Hawks fans who think that physicality doesn't matter.

I'm hoping for a Hawks win, but more importantly, I'm hoping the Hawks escape without injury to any key guys...Especially Toews...Who will be targeted NON stop.
- SteveRain

I agree. I don't see a top teir guy coming to Chicago by the trade deadline. If its going to cost the Hawks a "core player" to get someone like that, I don't see the point in doing it. I agree that Sharp is important to this team and the recent contract extention would be a problem in trading him. I also think trading Bolland at this time wouldn't be best either. If the Hawks deal him, then they're going to have to go shopping for a shutdown center.

Even if Olsen sticks, I still think the Hawks will make a deal for some help on Defense. Beyond Montador, and if Olsen sticks, I still think they may need an upgrade over O'Donnell, Lepisto & Scott. If Olsen sticks, I think it would negate the need to overspend trading for a guy like Tim Gleason or Brian Allen and going out and getting a guy with some speed and some NHL experience instead that will cost the Hawks a low level pick.

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- ggunky

Oh jeez this guy again?

If Olsen's game is like Hammers then great. I'd love to have another shotblocking, stay at home guy on the third pair. Here's hoping he works out fast like Hammer and Leddy.

Folks, I believe what John was pointing out was that the whole idea of a big star trade is highly unlikely. And at best would be a wash, so why screw with chemistry etc, unless there are some internal (Flyer like from last year) issues. So now instead of keeping some perspective, the asylum goes full bore idiot and starts with the prospects of trading Sharp or Bolland.

Let me ring the bell folks, what Bolland said about Sedins, his corn flakes or his position on gay marriage is about as relevant to the Hawks as what is on Kane's Ipod play list.

You are not gonna pry a star from someone without giving a star. And you only do that if a change of scenery is what is needed. Or, the outside wild card, is you may get to steal a guy if it is salary dumping for a poor club and they simply want prospects or picks. That scenario would not play out until last minute in my humble opinion.

The player is Corey Perry, write it down.. You heard it hear first
- sensations

Better off writing down Getzlaf or Ryan.

Better off writing down Getzlaf or Ryan.
- Al

You been watching Getzlaf play lately? Looks like he is telling them to trade him. And Ryan hasn't been much better.

Heard that Shaw was skating with Sharp and Toews.

Like the projection of him on the third better. You never know with Q, so we'll have to see how that works out. I wouldn't mind seeing Hayes getting a little more ice time, maybe see him on the third and Shaw on the fourth.

I also eagerly anticipate the day I no longer have to suffer through a Bryan Bickell shift.

You been watching Getzlaf play lately? Looks like he is telling them to trade him. And Ryan hasn't been much better.
- RickJ

You've got that right! However, Getzlaf was notorious for his lazy play as a junior. Maybe with how bad things are in Anaheim he is resorting to his old habits.

Folks, I believe what John was pointing out was that the whole idea of a big star trade is highly unlikely. And at best would be a wash, so why screw with chemistry etc, unless there are some internal (Flyer like from last year) issues. So now instead of keeping some perspective, the asylum goes full bore idiot and starts with the prospects of trading Sharp or Bolland.

Let me ring the bell folks, what Bolland said about Sedins, his corn flakes or his position on gay marriage is about as relevant to the Hawks as what is on Kane's Ipod play list.

You are not gonna pry a star from someone without giving a star. And you only do that if a change of scenery is what is needed. Or, the outside wild card, is you may get to steal a guy if it is salary dumping for a poor club and they simply want prospects or picks. That scenario would not play out until last minute in my humble opinion.
- TrueGrit

The Hawks dont' have any players, core guys, who need a change of scenery. Seabrook, Keith, Crawford, Hammer, Leddy, Hossa, Toews, Sharp, Kane, and maybe Bolland is your core. None of those guys need to go.

Those other teams do..>Calgary sucks. Anaheim has imploded. Columbus can't get it right. Those are teams that need a shake up.

Oh jeez this guy again?
- golfbard

They are playing against each other tonight.


I see this game as a high scoring one, somewhere in the 5 - 3 range.

I couldn't tell you who will win, the Flyers have been sputtering lately.

They need Bryz to get back to his play of a month ago.

No better time to start then tonight.

Folks, I believe what John was pointing out was that the whole idea of a big star trade is highly unlikely. And at best would be a wash, so why screw with chemistry etc, unless there are some internal (Flyer like from last year) issues. So now instead of keeping some perspective, the asylum goes full bore idiot and starts with the prospects of trading Sharp or Bolland.

Let me ring the bell folks, what Bolland said about Sedins, his corn flakes or his position on gay marriage is about as relevant to the Hawks as what is on Kane's Ipod play list.

You are not gonna pry a star from someone without giving a star. And you only do that if a change of scenery is what is needed. Or, the outside wild card, is you may get to steal a guy if it is salary dumping for a poor club and they simply want prospects or picks. That scenario would not play out until last minute in my humble opinion.
- TrueGrit

AND THE HOCKEY VOICE OF REASON HAS SPOKEN!

I love the way you either don't read a post in full or twist it in a way it was not intended to feed your personal rants. First of all, JJ brought up the possibility of a Sharp or Bolland needing to be included in a deal if the Hawks were asking about top tier players in his article. As far as my post, I said I would be shocked if Sharp was traded, but would not be surprised if Bolland was. I then clearly followed that up by saying that I wasn't advocating him being traded nor did I think he would be traded. I was responding to the HYPOTHETICAL possibilty of either of those two being included in a trade.

As for his comments on the Sedins, once again, you obviously didn't read my post and just took want you wanted out of it and twisted it to support you own beliefs. I mentioned several reason why the Hawks MIGHT consider moving Bolland. The Sedin comment was only one of them and at no point did I say this is the reason he'll be traded. As far as you thinking that the Hawks don't care about what players say, then you my friend are very naive and haven't been watching the Hawks front office the last few years. The Hawks front office has been all about marketing and creating this pretty picture for the fans where everything is roses. I belive JJ has alluded in past articles (and he can correct me if I'm wrong) that the Hawks brass has been less than happy with some of Kane's off the ice exploits, but obviously, he isn't going anywhere because the team has built it's marketing around him and Toews. I hate the Sedins and found what Bolland said as being funny and could care less about it. But other people didn't find it funny and if you think he apologized the very next day on his own accord and that the Hawks front office didn't suggest that he should, well, then you are entitled to believe what you want.

In any regard I didn't bring that up to make it the main issue for him to be traded. You're the only one who seems to think I did. I simply brought up an incident that annoyed the front office and along with the questions about his concussion last year, his injury history and his poor play in this regular season MAY - I repeat, MAY - have the Hawks considering moving him if they could.

Being a fan, I'm on the outside looking in, so I have no idea if the Hawks would consider trading him; however, unless you have some internal insight to what the team is thinking, you have no idea that they aren't.I don't mind criticism or opposing views to anything I say, but at least get your facts straight about what you're ranting about.

The Hawks dont' have any players, core guys, who need a change of scenery. Seabrook, Keith, Crawford, Hammer, Leddy, Hossa, Toews, Sharp, Kane, and maybe Bolland is your core. None of those guys need to go.

Those other teams do..>Calgary sucks. Anaheim has imploded. Columbus can't get it right. Those are teams that need a shake up.
- SteveRain

Agreed. I think the Hawks core is what you said it is. The Hawks issues are with their secondary players. A couple of tweeks are needed. At worst, going out and getting someone to pair with Montador once he comes back from IR. That's if Olsen doesn't stick. And a bigger body up front who can chip in on the score sheet and can hit. That might be two seperate forwards altogether.

As for Calgary, I'm thinking they're going into rebuild mode. I believe if they're going to move Iginla, it will happen over the summer.

I think Anaheim will retain two of the three of Perry, Ryan and Getzlaf. I can see one of them going. Maybe Columbus and Anaheim would be the perfect trade partners to move a core player between them to create a shake up for both teams?

I had been a person who thought Sharp would be the ideal person you trade in this er NHL. Thirtysomething player, dealing from a strength ( Hawks have 3 other goal scorers.) fairly reasonable price. But Sharp is having his best season as a hawk and not only is he very Q-compatible, but he's very McDonough-compatible too and that's huge. So I doubt it would, or should, be him...That being said, I'd like to see Getzlaf on the Hawks.

Tonight's opponent is a good example of not saying "no" to trading a core member. How are those Richards and Carter trades looking now? Granted, the annual Flyer Goalie situation has gone to the zoo like it tends to do. But Simmonds and Schenn have a nice long future and Voracek and Sean Courtourier for Jeff Carter is just gold.

Should be a hell of a game.

They are playing against each other tonight.


I see this game as a high scoring one, somewhere in the 5 - 3 range.

I couldn't tell you who will win, the Flyers have been sputtering lately.

They need Bryz to get back to his play of a month ago.

No better time to start then tonight.
- ggunky

Really? I had no idea.

Better off writing down Getzlaf or Ryan.
- Al

Boys...

To be clear my comment meant....
Perry won't be traded....But Ryan or Getzlaf are in play.

Neither will be a Hawk although I would take Ryan in a heart beat...He would score 40 in his sleep here and 50 goals wouldn't be out of reach.